TOPIC: The EU Referendum: Your most important issue

Following on slightly from the In/Out thread, in one word what is the most important issue that has or will make your mind up?

Control.

Freedom

Avoiding a future like the sci-fi film Elysium

Antidisestablishmentarianism

Quality of life.

A chance of a better NHS, less antisocial crime, less escalation in gridlocked roads and cities, less overcrowded schools, less illegals contributing f-all but taking far too much.

For me it's the ability to plot your own course, regardless of if it's spending, industry, energy, jobs/welfare or immigration.
Inside the EU we have a bureaucratic and painfully slow system of reform and implementation...outside you have the ability to move and if it turns out it doesn't work you can repeal it reasonably quickly without any interference from 27 others who can block your changes if it doesn't suit them.

The main question the leave campaign seem to be overlooking is very simple:
If this was a vote to join Europe, would you vote to join?
It cuts out all the lies/propaganda being flung by both sides in the referendum campaigns.

torbayblue wrote:
But their very definition 'illegals' can not take anything out of our welfare system.

HuntingHorn wrote:
If leave campaign win and we come out we'll be having that referendum in 5-10 years.

DeckchairBlue wrote: If we leave there will be no EU to join in 5-10 years. It will have imploded long before then. We will just be the first of a long queue out of the door.

So they never use fake ID's then to their personal advantage?

No assuming their pals identities?

I rest my case.

This is the bit I don't grasp Northumbrian....
Neither side actually has the feintest clue how it will turn out in the event they "win" the referendum...this is the only fact in the whole thing.
There are so many "facts" and figures being hurled around it's almost impossible to trust anything either side say.

It's a big risk to chose either side, both sides have their pitfalls but I'd rather we make our own decisions on what's best for us.

HuntingHorn wrote:
Nobody can predict the future but to say neither side has the faintest clue is incorrect.

HuntingHorn wrote: That is a pretty fair summary.... I think most reasonable people realise that virtually every "fact" trumpeted by either side isn't actually a fact.... most of the time it's a misrepresentation of the true figures or a dodgy worst case/best case scenario based on some dodgy modelling. You just have to try to cut through the bluster and BS by both sides and look at the bigger issues in general terms... To me it's about economics... we are being prevented from trading with massive markets because the protectionist French veto trade deals that threaten their economy. I don't believe for one moment the EU zone will stop trading with us in the longer term, maybe in the first couple of years but not beyond. If free movement is a fundamental principle of the EU then we need to expect millions more people coming into the country over the next decade... where will the new houses come from, how will we pay for the hundreds of new schools, hospitals, the new roads and rail infrastructure needed to cope? I am voting out because I want control over our economy, immigration policy and legal system.

I have a lot of friends who want to remain as they think things are already going quite well so why change? They are perfectly comfortable with closer integration of EU countries and see no issue with things like a single EU army. It really comes down to what is important to you as an individual. My belief is that the first couple of years after leaving may be a bit rocky whilst the whole separation takes place but we will be in a better position long term to make decisions about the UK in our own interest. I have a horrible feeling that the fear campaign of the remain campaign will push people to opt for the status quo as they see it as the least risky choice. At least the out supporters will have plenty of "told you so" moments over the next few years if we do remain in...

franksidebottom wrote:

So as you say nobody can predict the future, what makes you so sure that's incorrect?
Contradiction anyone???
Another who seems to mistake opinion for 'fact'?

Where will I be able to get hold of a box of ferrer roche

Its a worry

To the best of my knowledge the EU was set up originally as a "Trading Facility" not as it is now becoming, or even has become a group of unelected beurocrats deciding our future , what we can or cannot do who we should accept into our country. at the end of the day they need us more than we need them. We should get back our status as an independant nation. as you can gather I would like us out of this corrupt system for the sake of my grandchildren and their children and of cxourse yours as well. end of rant Ive had enough of the stupidity coming out of Brussells. I would like my country back

Waltero wrote:
Do we not elect our MEPs

Also if we do leave can we then campaign to remove the unelected house of lords

Lufbrablue wrote:
I'm fairly sure we do elect our MEP's but it's so badly publicised they can be sent to Brussels on less than a 10% turn out!
Getting rid of or at least electing the House of Lords would be the single greatest step Britain could take.

HuntingHorn wrote:
What so you can fill it full of more elected Shits like the commons are. ?

A lot of the non hereditary Peers are now starting to do not a bad job but the biggest challenge now is to get rid of those upper class Knobs whos titles get handed down thru the generations and see it as no more than a gentlemans club who pay them £500 a day to attend

To the thread title. Cameron pedaling doom and WW 3....

pensionerblue wrote:
add to that Major and Blair predicting the return of the 'troubles' to Norn Irelan'

Oh aye, Blair! Middle east peace envoy, That's going well eh Tony?

would there be any repercussions within the football industry over here if we stepped away from the EU? freedom of movement / trade for players etc?
would it bring on the collapse of the premier league?

mojo wrote:
Probably not, the current visa and work permit system has a specific tier for sportspersons and as the majority of players that come into the Prem are proven players they wouldn't struggle to get a visa.