TOPIC: Club Statement on EFL Trophy

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There's a surprise...

As expected but it's not that unreasonable a statement and it looks as if Clibbens has read this board first so he can address some of the concerns that people have.

Very reasonable position for the club to take. Hope we get one of the big boys at home in our group.

Really, really, really hope this just lasts the 1 season and is swiftly scrapped.

On another note, to deflect the negative vibes the club will surely get after announcing this, hopefully they're about to announce another signing.

It's the first statement I've read from Clibbens.

Sly move by Nixon bringing him in just in time to deliver us the bad news.

Utterly $hit decision by the club though. Nothing good can come from this.

Nothing is going to deflect anything.Clibbens is just another puppet to me...just another person for me to tee off on when the opportunity arises

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It's dreadful. It's also a lose - lose situation. If it fails, we were wrong. If it succeeds it could lead to Academy sides from (mainly) some of the Prem clubs in the leagues further down the line. Talk about giving the big clubs even more . What were they thinking?

Lets all go to games at home against other league one and two teams but totally blank the games against the Prem U20 clubs. Let the clowns that run football we care about our competitions and don't want the glory hunting clubs stealing everything to do with football. F*@K EM OFF

Good statement.

Rather than just scrap this competition, the club is right to see if these changes can reignite interest in it.

You cannot possibly back this idea. Its morally wrong .simple as

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I'm embarrassed to be a Carlisle supporter today. The club has brought shame on us all with this.

I would rather they scrapped the competition completely than whore it out to Premier League B teams.

If they got into the football league it would be the worst thing to ever happen to English football. I'd honestly rather be relegated to the conference than have B teams playing in the football league, that's how strongly I feel against it.

I'm finding it hard to get either exited or worked up either way about this decision

The only games anyone wants to watch are area finals and final anyway

I find it hard to believe anyone makes any money from this piss pot trophy apart from finalists

in other words not bothered if we play Accy Stanley 2nd string or an under 20 teams

It was never a well supported competition ever apart from the semi final and final stages.

It sounds like desperation from the FA in order to get a sponsor. No surprise we voted for it with JN's position.

Doesn't interest me playing an u21 side at all and devalues the competition. However i heard that the academy side can't get out the group and its the top 2 league sides that progress to the knock out stages. Doesn't change anything for me but makes it a bit pointless.

It's what it's going to lead to that's working so many people up I think. It's fairly obviously the first step towards B/u21 teams joining the football league.

If fans accept them into this trophy by attending the games home or away, it will be deemed a success. Then within the next couple of years there'll be another vote on B teams joining the football league, and pathetic, spineless, weak clubs like Carlisle United will vote in favour.... then they'll be in, and that's that, English football down the shitter.

Mullen103 wrote:
If that's true, about academy sides not being able to progress pass the group stages, it somehow gives the competition even less credibility.

'Yeah, we won, but really we shouldnt have got to the quarters, because Middlesbrough Under 21's beat us, but they're not allowed to progress'

There are so many reason why this idea is awful.

As for the supposed benefits, generating interest in the competition? How exactly, by pissing off and going against the wishes of the fans who do support it.

Helping Premier League home grown players? Bullshit. A huge amount of the young Premier League players are foreign anyway. And the reason so many of the young Premier League players can't get a game is because they have too many players. Cap the limit of players a Premier League team can have, so that they can concentrate on only having the very best ones, and then Football League teams like Carlisle can actually have a chance of signing a few quality young players where they will actually play competitive games thus benefitting home grown players. Not this $hit.

carwash wrote:
CLIBBENS A Yorkshireman who supports Huddersfield town, lives in Wakefield and will apparently continue to do so. Absolutely no affinity with the club, city or county or its people so as far as i.m concerned he can make as many fu cking statemants as he likes they carry about as much weight as anything Nixon says and thats of Nil importance or relevance.

thefoot wrote:
Could not agree more. Would be nice for a change if the FA ruffled a few feathers in the premier league. The amount of young players the likes of Chelsea just farm, is disgusting.

Cap their squad numbers, with a min number of English players in that squad and you get more of a chance of our young players playing first team football and making a career for themselves.

Dempsey, for example - if he had gone through the books of Chelsea, there's a good chance he would have just blended in with the masses and just been loaned out every so often making very little progress, with the possibility of being released and not even getting a career. With us, he was a real asset, who at a young age got the opportunity to play regular first team football. Now the lad should hopefully have a good career and progress further.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

You mean like our manager?

Dancingbear wrote:
And a lot of our players?

Dancingbear wrote:
Managers are Managers and Players are Players they will show allegiance to whoever is paying them that is no excuse to appoint a Chief Executive from Fu ckin Yorkshire of all places for gods sake.Everybody knows hes just a mouthpiece for Nixon and this has just proved it.

I.ll bet there are 6 year olds who know more about the history of the club than he does

Total waste of £100k smacks of jobs for the boys and clearly he must have licked Nixons arse at some time in the recent past

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

What a load of bollocks Barry. A chief executive is no different. Some might say its actually better to have someone totally unconnected.

And there are loads of experienced ceo's with nowt to do in cumbria especially ones with experience of running a football club! Oh......... Hang on a minute.............

Turkey's voting for Christmas... This is just a first very obvious step towards shoehorning the B teams into the league. This isn't about whether this trophy works... it's much more important than that. If the B teams get access to the league then that is a serious threat to this club.

Hopefully no f*cker will turn up then these c*nts will have huge amounts of egg on their faces.

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I hope people follow through with the boycott, however I feel it'll be ultimately pointless. The majority of proper fans that avoid EFL Trophy (never thought I'd miss it being called the JPT) will be replaced by the happy clapping sh*t kickers attending their first CUFC game of the season in the hope of seeing a 50% fit Daniel Sturridge hobble around Brunton Park for 45 minutes before being subbed off for an 18 year old Brazilian lad that's obviously gonna benefit the English game. What a f*cking farce.

I had really hoped against hope our club had voted against it, I feel really disheartened.

That statement hurt. It tries to take the higher moral ground "In supporting a short-term trial we are simply being open minded" No! You are caving to pressure from above. It insinuates that we, the fans are closed minded and resistant to change. Possibly, sometimes, but we have accepted change in the JPT more than in any other Cup competition and I can't remember a major outcry before. Golden Goal anyone? We sucked that one up, despite it costing us the final and later being dropped. Extra time, no extra time, Conference teams, no Conference teams, we've taken the changes on the chin but this is a step too far.

There are certain things that are just plain wrong, like when the whole central core of the competition is changed, so that now, instead of being a competition for the Lower Leagues, its a competition for. . . well who is it for? League 1 and two plus 16 teams of under 20s, who may or may not be allowed past the group stages

Bruntonpasty wrote:
Well i know 2 for a start one of who would walk over hot coals for that job and salary but Jenkins knows full well he wouldnt take any shit off him like he didnt off the last owner he worked for so i guess he was never going to get the job.

Just exactly what to you think this guy is going to do for his 100k

Nixon deals with the external stuff Clibbins didnt even bother to go to Portugal.More interested in watching some shite metal band in Wakefield.

Everyone on here seems to think Phil King and Suzzanne Kidd are doing a good job.

And everyone knows that whoever got the job the extent of their authority would be over what colour to paint the bogs.

Would have been a much better idea to appoint somebody local who the fans could connect with and give him 5 grand to go round the pubs buying a round and listening to what the real fans want.

Every other club in the land is moving towards fan engagement so why do Nixon and Jenkins think we should be the exception.

So it looks as if all thats left for him to do is to issue the bullshit statements that need issuing when they cant trust Andy Hall not to fu ck them up.

Can you imagine going to an away game and there being no home fans there? How f***ing shit.

They don't get it. We want to see our team playing against clubs that have a history, where it means something to their fans as well as ours, against players/fans who share the dream of the team walking out at Wembley.

Why do they not get it?

Interesting that every other in favour clubs statements I've read all state that despite voting in favour of this, they are AGAINST B teams entering the football league. Apart from Carlisle that is. All we've said is...

"This move is solely in respect of the EFL Trophy and from our point of view should not be interpreted in any way whatsoever as opening the door to Premier League teams participation in other EFL competitions"

It's because Nixon supports the idea of B teams joining the league. He as good as said it at the time.

Bumble makes a very good point. Who is this trophy actually for now? The inclusion of these B/under 21 teams mean it is no longer a lower league competition. In fact, it just about mirrors the early rounds of the league cup now where the bigger clubs have fielded second string and youth teams for years.
They want, they get.
I really think the fans and the supporters club - even the trust- should make it known loudly that this is a disgrace. It is now a reserve league competition and means nothing. I would like to think the next home crowd we get in this trophy wouldn't top 500 and id be disappointed if it was that high!

bruntonpete wrote:
If im off work that night ill go and find out for you

This, in my opinion, is shocking decision.

Bow your heads in shame Carlisle United.
You have been seduced for a couple of bob.

Absolutely disheartening and absolutely embarrassing.

kells wrote:
And entirely predictable.

gutted the club haven't voted against this or even asked fans opinions, this is something that no fan would in their right mind want.

FishIslandBlues wrote:
Agreed, but there are any amount of posts on here indicating that the owners have zero interest in fans opinions

FishIslandBlues wrote:

While I agree with your sentiment, in defense of the club they did ask for fans opinions. There was definitely a link from a page on the website asking fans to tell the club what they thought of the changes.

Whether they actually read or took any notice of the fans opinions is a totally different matter!

Take a look at fb.page...83 comments to date..only 1 person thinks its a good idea...but the idiots will say as usual..its just a small minority who disagree.. 1 in 83 saying yes??? We have lunatics running the asylum

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I must have missed the questions for fans posted by the club but in that case it would be interesting if the club would therefore release what response they got back from fans and further explain why they've taken this stance.

FishIslandBlues wrote:
Absolutely

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:
Shows how much you know NS - Brix and the extricated are far from 'shite'!!

If Clibbens is into metal then he's gone right up in my estimation.

It just shows how thick or how many people have a personal agenda to further their careers working for different clubs throughout the land who voted this in. They are not looking out for their respective clubs or the future of football in this country. I have no doubts this is a precursor to shoehorning the 'B' teams into the FL and it will absolutely ruin it. It also shows how much money talks.

I can see a scenario where the only attendees for these games will be ST holders and will they be able to resist the offer of getting in for a fiver. Let's see attendances against these teams are strangely boosted to give the impression this idea is supported by the fans.

I asked yesterday but didn't get a reply. Have the trust took a stance on this yet? I think Deano said they were waiting on the club statement but several board members weren't happy about it if we had voted for it.

Dancingbear wrote:
No official statement/comment from CUOSC (yet), but there's been plenty of individual comments/opinions from Board Members on Facebook/Twitter/here over the last few days. For what it's worth, CUOSC asked for feedback from members regarding the inclusion of B teams etc, and every single response opposed the decision. The club have voted in favour of this, despite the wishes of supporters (or at least those who have been vocal about it).

cufcdeano wrote:
You can always rely on the club to be consistent.

cufcdeano wrote:
Well if the time its taken for them to comment on Jenkins threats and the ticking clock is anything to go by the group stages will be over before before they actually say anything on the subject.