TOPIC: Guess who will win the referendum and by how much

Remain to win 55% - 45%.

The undecided will see sense and do it for the children.....

Leave 51-49

Ladbrokes offering 4/9 stay and 7/4 leave...............

Turnbull wrote: . confused by this statement .....can things not only get worse " for the children"......

To difficult to call Facebook rhetoric would suggest that the outs have it.

I do too to be honest. I think, though, a lot depends on the ability of the out campaign to get voters to the polling booths. If they do they could end up being comfortable winners, say 52.5 to 47.5.

I hope its out, And the old Winston Churchill for Juncer, Merkel and the rest of the Snouts In the Trough brigade....

I was actually serious. I can't understand what you wrote.

60-40 in favour of Remain.

Moorlad wrote:
I may be wrong but I think he was referring to Churchill's famous peace sign, though he rarely used the palm-in version, which is now taken as an offensive gesture.

Hoping that Leaving the EU will be like showing said gesture to Jean-Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and other unnamed EU supporters.

cufcdeano wrote:
If it is a Remain vote, I would be absolutely gobsmacked if it was as clear as that.

I still reckon the polls are masking quite a few "shy Brexiteers" who are quite rightly pissed off at being labelled racists and xenophobes (etc), and who are probably keeping their cards close to their chest until they get into the polling booths.

If you don't vote you don't have a right to complain.

If you don't like any of the options, spoil the paper, at least you've gone and voted.

ChampagneSupernova wrote:
By the same token, some of the racists and xenophobes, who are massively shouty on facebook, will be the people who've never worked in their lives yet complain about foreigners taking their jobs, and they won't be arsed getting out of bed to vote, then they'll be able to complain if the vote goes against them.

Moorlad wrote:
Sadly you can't choose your bedfellows in a single question vote like this, very strange situation. My reasons for wanting out are the same as those of Tony Benn - and not Nick Griffin - so if the knuckle draggers want to use their votes to inadvertently help increase immigration opportunities from the Commonwealth (which is what I personally hope would happen) then that's fine by me. The resulting meltdown on Britain First would be a joy to watch

ChampagneSupernova wrote:
I've actually tried to explain that to some people, it is a pointless exercise.

"I'm voting leave because I can't stand the Poles taking our jobs".

"How will that help"?

"It'll stop immigration".

"No, we just won't have to adhere to free movement within the EU, there'll still be migrants coming in".

"Yeah, but they won't be Poles, or Turks".

"No, they'll bendian, Bangladeshi, Singaporean, West Indian, African, Chinese I".

Meltdown.

Moorlad wrote:
Sadly you can't choose your bedfellows in a single question vote like this, very strange situation. My reasons for wanting out are the same as those of Tony Benn - and not Nick Griffin - so if the knuckle draggers want to use their votes to inadvertently help increase immigration opportunities from the Commonwealth (which is what I personally hope would happen) then that's fine by me. The resulting meltdown on Britain First would be a joy to watch

Moorlad wrote:
But only if theyve got enough points

Cant see the fields of Lincolnshire being filled with any of them can you ?

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:
If they are needed enough it will be. We'll soon have Australian style working holiday Visas set up to legitimise young eastern Europeans coming over.

DeckchairBlue wrote:
And that would be fine No Right to stay Pay for any Heathcare needed and Taxes paid at source not at the whim of some Lithuanian gangmaster.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:
They may not have a right to stay, but the highest cause of illegal migrants we have in the country are those who overstay following their visa.

As for healthcare and benefits in general. Migrants represent a relatively low user group of the NHS. Nor can they claim any benefits for the 1st 4 years they are here, If they even stay that long as the vast majority don't stay permanently.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:
They may not have a right to stay, but the highest cause of illegal migrants we have in the country are those who overstay following their visa.

Yes youre right there but once we make the Border Force fit for purpose and stop pissing about.We book a plane to Warsaw on a Friday afternoon then Border Force have a week to fill it and the plan is to use one of the old decommissioned prisons as an up to 3 days holding centre. And as Boris says an ammnesty for anyone who can prove theyve been here illegally for over 12 years that is of course if theyre in a position to pay an estimated income tax and healthcare bill for the time theyve been here.

As for healthcare and benefits in general. Migrants represent a relatively low user group of the NHS. Nor can they claim any benefits for the 1st 4 years they are here, If they even stay that long as the vast majority don't stay permanently.

ChampagneSupernova wrote:
I've actually tried to explain that to some people, it is a pointless exercise.

"I'm voting leave because I can't stand the Poles taking our jobs".

"How will that help"?

"It'll stop immigration".

"No, we just won't have to adhere to free movement within the EU, there'll still be migrants coming in".

"Yeah, but they won't be Poles, or Turks".

"No, they'll be Indian, Bangladeshi, Singaporean, West Indian, African, Chinese".

Meltdown.

DeckchairBlue wrote:
In terms of numbers you may be right but when you have East European governments actively paying for people with serious illnesses that each cost hundreds of thousands of pounds to treat and will do till they either die or get better to come here it doesnt take a lot of them to run up bills into the millions does it ? The hospital trust in Preston claim they could wipe out their entire defecit if they were able to recover the cost of treating non british passport holding EU nationals.

And as for the benefits issue i think you.ll find that that legislation doesnt start to take effect for another 12 months

DeckchairBlue wrote:
In terms of numbers you may be right but when you have East European governments actively paying for people with serious illnesses that each cost hundreds of thousands of pounds to treat and will do till they either die or get better to come here it doesnt take a lot of them to run up bills into the millions does it ? The hospital trust in Preston claim they could wipe out their entire defecit if they were able to recover the cost of treating non british passport holding EU nationals.

And as for the benefits issue i think you.ll find that that legislation doesnt start to take effect for another 12 months

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:
But the legislation is still in place, so it is happening isn't it.

Yes its happening starting in 12 months time as i said

Any proof of those claims about sending sick people over or just more made up 'facts' ?

if i find the article i.ll post it but as i.m sure you can understand i.m pretty busy right now planning tomorrows operation the bit about Preston hospital was in the Evening Post about 6 months ago.

There is going to be an amnesty on all EU nationals currently in the country, they will all be given indefinite leave to remain.

Yes for any that can prove theyve been here over 12 years otherwise theyre on the list

Why would any illegal immigrants need to pay a healthcare bill ? By their very nature of being an illegal immigrant they wouldn't have been able to access any healthcare services. Not to mention that illegal immigrants will be from outside the EU, so nothing to do with the current referendum.

Because the NHS treats first and asks questions later and i think you.ll find that most of the EU illegals have false identity documents i have a draw full of East European passports if you know where to go they cost 25 quid each.

How can that be a plan. The suggestion I made of working holiday Visas was purely because other countries do it. So you've basically made up a deportation schedule based on something that I said which may or may not even happen.

No idea what youre talking about there i.m talking about the list the Border Force have of people who need deporting but they havnt the resources to it under Nigels plans money is taken from immigrants for various things that money is directly invested in a Border Force thats fit for purpose to do what it was set up to do protect our borders from people who shouldnt be here wether they be EU.s with no rights any longer Syrians whove hidden in lorries or visa overstayers. No point having or paying for a Border force otherwise.

You can't have a plane for warsaw booked and border force given a week to fill it as that would mean unfair targeting of a specific nationality of people. Which is banned under the Race Relations Act.