TOPIC: 'Attack' in Nice

Shocking scenes, reports of 30 to 60 dead...

RIP

Saying 73 now. Just watched a clip on Twitter and wish I hadn't

I've seen some of the footage too. Absolutely horrific.

I was in France while the Euros were on and considered going to a game or two, but for the first time in my life I actually thought "do I really need to put myself in a place where I will be at risk from these nutters?". I know we should all go about our normal business, but people have families to think about.

The world is in a bad state at the moment and the French people have suffered more than their share of these attacks.
It's what they want, but I hate these people with a passion. Something has to be done, to stop these attacks, but I don't know what. Not wanting to put a political stance on this, but I'm glad that the UK has took back control of its borders. God knows how many 'undesirables' have entered Europe during the recent refugee crisis.

RIP to the victims.

At least 80 dead now, including children, shocking footage on the news this morning.

cufcaussiebranch wrote:
The 'political stance' that you didn't want to put on this is exactly what's going to be put on this though. Those who campaigned and voted for Brexit for reasons connected to immigration will use the attack as some kind of warped justification for leaving the EU. I don't really know how you think the UK has taken back control. We were never part of the Schengen agreement which allows for the free and unregulated movement within Europe. It doesn't make a jot of difference now that we're leaving the EU and doesn't protect us from anything.

Many of the attackers in Brussels and Paris were Belgian and French nationals who were living in the country legally and were nothing to do with the scores of refugees coming over from Syria, Iraq, etc. The attackers had origins in the Maghreb, in the Middle East, but had lived in Europe for most, if not all of their lives. They might have been more prone to extremist influences due to the sense of marginalisation that exists in the working class French and Belgian 'banlieues' like Molenbeek in Brussels, but that's a different issue altogether. Reports this morning say that this man is a French/Tunisian national and has probably been living in France for a long time as well. ISIS, for example, is becoming weaker everyday and is not the force they'd like you to think they are. Their ideology, which has nothing to do with Islam other than in name, preys on the weak, the vulnerable, and offers an escape from their lives. You're not born a terrorist, you become one, so preventing radicalisation at source rather than stopping the terrorist coming into your country is the priority here.

At the end of the day, if somebody wants to drive a lorry into a crowd of people, whether it be here, in France, in Iraq, the authorities are powerless to stop it. Whichever group takes responsibility for this will likely not have had anything do with the planning and the perpetrator(s) will have acted alone, with retrospective responsibility being taken by a group to be used as propaganda. This could happen absolutely anywhere and being part of the EU has no bearing on this whatsoever. It's a real tragedy, a horrible situation for all those connected, but the authorities need to be looking more closely at the motives for these attacks, why these individuals have become cut off from mainstream society, as a matter of urgency. Only that way will attacks like this be prevented in the UK, France and so on.

Absolutely horrible, these poor people. Our hearts go out to all people who have suffered or lost loved ones in all terror attacks in all countries of the world.

Very good post pedals. I would argue that the North African communities themselves have a duty to reduce isolation and work to prevent radicalisation. This will just give further impetus to far right political parties like Marine Le Pen's Front National who will exploit this tragedy ahead of the French elections next year.

cufcaussiebranch wrote:
Being at an airport or even flying is probably the biggest way of putting yourself at risk to attacks by this lot these days some would argue.

This is as horrible as it gets and the more these attacks occur the more sanitised people will become to them I'm almost at that point now it's just part and parcel of life.
ISIS or whatever they are called now are bringing what has been happening in the likes of Iraq Pakistan Afghanistan etc etc more and more onto our doorstep and no one ever bats an eyelid to what's happening over there.

Mass kill move on repeat.

Things can only change if Muslim communities across Europe actively police there own people and there doesn't seem much chance of that happening, so how long do we wait until we do what needs to be done 1000,5000 dead or are we all prepared to be slaughtered on a regular basis by these people so we can take a moral high ground that they dismiss as weakness

Pedals
The 'political stance' that you didn't want to put on this is exactly what's going to be put on this though. Those who campaigned and voted for Brexit for reasons connected to immigration will use the attack as some kind of warped justification for leaving the EU.
There may well be a minority of bigots who may do exactly as you say, there again there may be a minority of Remain bigots who also see this as an opportunity to take a side-swipe at those who through democratic process voted to leave. Either way to associate this horrendous act with the referendum does no one any credit.

Another random attack, it's impossible to defend or prepare for something as random as this

Alan wrote:
2m people have died in the geographical band from Tunisia to Pakistan since the illegal war in Iraq started. Barry asked the question why don't these people take up guns and shoot back at the people attacking them, they are. The UK, the US and France are seen by the locals, despite what the papers say here, as invaders who have destroyed the region. The Government won't interfere in the running of the Post Office, why do we have soldiers fighting in civil wars in countries like Syria, Libya and Yemen? We need to be gone from these places asap

A sad day indeed. unfortunately it is the innocent who are targeted whilst the real culprits are protected by teams of security. It was the case with Iraq invasion, whilst the UK forces showed restraint our partners didn't exactly hold back causing plenty of collateral damage for want of a better term. my thoughts are with the victims families.

cyberslob wrote:

Who are the real culprits?

Dancingbear wrote:
I think he means people like Hollande who will be voted out as French president next May.

Gundog wrote:
I was responding directly to a comment made by the previous poster about 'taking control of our borders' and it wasn't a "side-swipe" at the "democratic process". Maybe you don't see this as an opportunity to reinforce the Leave campaign's argument about immigration, and rightly so, we agree on that, but there will be more people than you think who will think along the lines that I mentioned.

My actual point was around ways of stopping the radicalisation of young men and women at source before they become indoctrinated into a particular way of thinking. This isn't a French issue or even just a European issue, but a global issue which needs to be tackled together, beginning with the sharing of information between different security services, which currently doesn't happen in the manner you'd hope and expect. This all starts at grassroots level and a terrorist is only a terrorist once they have committed an act of terror. A unified and functional society which strives towards a common goal is the ultimate aim in any state, but that will never happen as long as certain elements of society are fragmented and disillusioned, as is the case in France at the moment.

France recognised Palestine as a state in November 2014. Israel PM Netananyahu said there would be grave repurcussions for doing so. 3 huge terrorist attacks later we are now seeing what he meant by this. Start doing some proper research guys, and stop believing the Zionist controlled media. RIP to those who tragically lost their lives too these psychopaths that control our world!

This wasn't a 'terrorist' attack as such. This was a gadge that was a mentally unstable criminal. He was carrying grenades + guns, coppers were on to him, he thought guff it I'm going down, I'll make it worth it! Coppers won't admit it, easier to say he was islamist terrorist. Just a thought.

Muttley0 wrote:
Why would they say that when it means that by admitting he wasnt on their intelligence service radar as linked to ISIS when all it does is make their intelligence set up even more useless than it actually is.

He doesn't have to have been linked to ISIS, it's quite possible that he did it himself and now they are claiming it.

The more ISIS lose ground in Iraq and Syria the more regular these attacks will happen, it's sort of a way for them to hit out and try and get us to back off from their 'homelands' and erode public support for us defeating them over there.

As others have said, the only way for us to reduce what is happening is to find a way to connect with the millions of marginalised in society who are easy targets for extremists.

I'm struggling to see the link Barry! There is absolutely no evidence to link him. As you will appreciate, he is simply a criminal that got caught out... Mentally unstable, which i suspect u will also appreciate!, this is a man that was fuct...this was a man that was mentally deranged, not a Islamic terrorist.

Muttley0 wrote:
So what do yo think he was planing before it all went wrong then with a hired 20 tonne box van multiple firearms and a box of grenades ?

Muttley0 wrote:
So what do yo think he was planing before it all went wrong then with a hired 20 tonne box van multiple firearms and a box of grenades ?

The cops and the motorcyclist who tried to stop him before the real carnage started must of seen or heard something before then and on Friday morning the news reports were saying that hed been seen doing some Allah is god worship routine but a lot of that has now disappeared i see. .

Just enjoy life, this could happen to anyone really apart from if you stay indoors or never go to a big city but even then some lunatic could have a bad day round wherever you are and do a job.

Just make sure if you are ever in that position that you give someone younger a better chance of staying alive than yourself, compared to how some people have their lives from birth most of us are very, very lucky to be alive full stop:

Just as well it didn't happen here as the coppers would've been too busy faffing about trying to taser the driver and 84 dead would've been 840 before they shot him.

Mashie Niblick wrote: Frightening when you put it like that. We generally don't need to worry about a mass gun attack here but there's nowt to stop some lunatic getting hold of a HGV.

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