TOPIC: What next.

Well it seems that the Lapping Deal just didn,t have the funds available which to be honest was to be expected, but then again the age of the present Board would suggest that changes have to be made, and fairly quickly.
Elderly gentlemen tend to have a habit of kicking the bucket, and the remaining family members tend not to share their parents passion for Carlisle United, ie there is no Monkhouse, Sheffield or Brayton on the present Board, Then newcomers have to present themselves and take over as Custodians of the Club. Carry on the tradition, and then in their turn kick the proverbial bucket so others can continue the expectations that local Carlisle Businessmen are those best suited to look after our Club.
Is there a mystery Billionaire, (Whatever that valuation means). Possibly, but is that important.
Our present Board have indicated that they are ready to hand over their responsibilities and before we castigate them for the efforts they have put in, perhaps we should say thanks Gentlemen, well done, and hopefully a new generation of local Businessessmen will step forward and take over without the aid of an third party organiser.
Mr Lapping, as a Carlisle Fan one day you may one day end up as MD in your own right, but for a Club that has survived for years without the support of outside influences, can we really expect some mythical trillionaire to come to our rescue and propell us thru the leagues.
Nah, current Board has realised the folly of the path they were following, ended it, and Mr Lapping, it's up to you to come up with a plan with some substance that everybody can accept and provide a future path for the Club.

1 out of 10 for effort. Very poor trolling indeed.

"perhaps we should say thanks Gentlemen, well done"

Erm No.........

Of course the proposal didn't have the funds in place. How could it? It hadn't reached the stage where there was even any sort of prospectus issued. Interestingly the gruesome twosome are asking everyone to respect their confidentiality agreement and happily going round quizzing people after Lapping asked that such information remained confidential. All he had in place was promises (pledges) of cash from certain business people, there may well have been more to come, who knows.

As to our mystery billionaire, I still do not think he/she exists, certainly not yet. My thought is that the club (Nixon and Jenkins) have employed somebody to look for an investor, and now an agent of some description is running around potential interested parties putting forward Carlisle United's name as a possible investment opportunities. I imagine there have been one or two who may have expressed some sort of initial interest, but I imagine (all guesswork though) that is as far as it has gone.

The current board are neither ready, or willing to hand over control of the club. They will want to remain regardless, and that will be a huge barrier to any potential investor.

the cash was never going to be in place til after the prospectus and even then pretty sure the plan was if the total wasn't reached then the equity of the trust and 3 amigos would not be reduced accordingly. So they were in a better position if he only made half.

Whats next is we have the potts, Dempsey and man utd gk money which will keep us afloat for now (as well as season ticket and new shirt sales) They will hope we make a good start and the billionaire will pull out due to economic climate or some other excuse. A cup run or two will balance the books over the season.

The restructuring is a smoke screen, those two will still be pulling the strings.

Quokkablue2 wrote: come on Quokka... You aren't a stupid man... Excluding your barmy idea to let people into the waterworks for £1..... Nobody has any reason to believe that AL couldn't raise the promised funds. It's too early in the process for that in any case.

You mention that old gents have a habit of kicking the bucket... They also have a habit of hanging around businesses well after their sell by date, preventing much needed change. They have SAID they are willing to hand the club over... But their actions betray their real motives. It looks very likely that the last few weeks has been manufactured purely to get rid of the AL threat to their positions. They are now dealing with their other big threat, the Trust... By bringing them in-house for the price of the token position of fans representative. If the team get off to a good start, who knows, it may well succeed. Certain fans seem to be buying the unsubstantiated slur on AL ability to raise funds. And Lapping did come up with a credible plan... Which is why they are now implementing large parts of it.

Personally I am disgusted by the behaviour of the club this summer. It has been an utter shambles and they have treated the fans with nothing but contempt. Im not sure if AL was the answer ... But he has a good track record in football, is a Carlisle fan and was looking to tackle the areas where the club is under performing. It's too early to tell how successful he might be. What we do know is the current BOD are terrible at running a football club. Their track record is appalling. Their plans to move us forward before AL were laughable.

Sorry Northumbria,
Thought we had agreed to call the Waterworks end controversy ended, but hey if you can't see an end to this obvious argument then perhaps I should point out that this end of the ground has been the cheap end for thousands of years ( Ok I exaggerate, hundreds) but the fact is that our present board of Directors are coming to the end of their use by date, and new Directors have to come in or we are finished.
Traditionally United Directors gave been local Businessmen, so Mayby Lapping And his friends are the answer, but certainly not foreign investors however wealthy,
By the way how do you know I'm, not stupid, My wife thinks I am, My Accountant thinks I am, my Children know I am, and I myself am fully aware of the onset of senility, hay don,t knock it until you've, tried it.

Afternoon Mr Pattison.

Quokkablue2 wrote: some new fangled emoji's for you there...

Sorry, Northumbria, don't follow this.
But on the point of the Waterworks end, when I was a kid, several months ago, the Waterworks was always the cheaper end where Pensioners and kids could get in at a slightly discounted rate.
To see this area deserted to me means lack of atmosphere, and a sign that the club is in decline, and as long as this situation remains,then the Club will always be going backwards.
If that's what you want then so be it, rapidly losing interest, and to be honest, perhaps age has triumphed,

There would appear to be merit in getting into the Waterworks end cheaply, until you've been there in the freezing cold and pissing down rain. No amount of discount you may receive can ever be worth 2 hours of standing there in that, watching a horrible shower of shite playing hopeless hoofball.

I don't see the sense in opening the Waterworks End, other than in exceptions like the Arsenal game where ticket sales mean it needs to be opened. It will only increase stewarding costs etc and spread an already sparse crowd even more thinly.

Everybody could go in the East Stand and cut costs quite considerably. I'm surprised the BOD haven't suggested that.

They could still sit in the director's box well away from the peasants!

Make it a quid if they want, I still wouldn't go and give the [censored] my money.

To be fair when I was young the norm as far as attendances was concerned was around seven thou, so the Waterworks had to be used.
Now the fact that attendances are around Four thou then ok, the Waterworks is not needed, but I would like to believe that soon, in the not to distant future the gates will creep up to, and Mayby one day United will require a four sided ground, and be a Club with a future as opposed to the present situation which to be fair is heading along the same path as Wucky,Barrow, Gateshead, and Barrow.

While the asylum is being run by the lunatics, attendances will never get to a level where we will ever need to open the Waterworks.

Oh ye of little faith.

Get it right mate.

No faith.

Quokkablue2 wrote: Don't forget Barrow.

Sorry, meant to put Darlingtin, but was afraid I couldn't,t spill it.

Quokkablue2 wrote:
" before we castigate them for the efforts they have put in....." ???

Already done sir, with aplomb!

Quokkablue2 wrote:
We need one of them road prohibited signs -stating "No Foreign Money" thro the middle - red circle with diagonal line.
Totally agree!

Wake up and smell the coffee. The lapping deal had more capital behind it that what Nixon could muster up so why not go ahead....he and the club could only benefit even with the share dilution ...you can value what you want at what you want, but anything is only worth what the buyer will pay for it....Reason it didn't go ahead....simple, because lapping wanted shot of the muppet. All this bull about them 2 handing the club on are stories of the curry guy all over again. They will simply put in an operational boD and slip into the holding company board and pull the strings of the operational board from there. They will make a big deal of it along the lines of....convincing themselves.....look this gives the pulling out of the lapping deal credibility because we don't want to be on the BoD anyway so it's nothing to do with lapping wanting shot of us....Yeh yeh ...strings and puppets come to mind very quick and the retention of the FA gig for Nixon....

They honestly believe we are a bunch of mushrooms guys, Pattinson proved that last season with his comments.....you couldn't make it up, a club desperate for support, increased turnover etc and he comes out with what he did. They are a complete disgrace the lot of them and they think we are going to fall for it. I would love to be wrong of course as that would mean the club is in new hands and not in the hands of a museum. ........let us see how this mess turns out.

PS, it may sound contradictory but I don't tarnish AJ with the same brush, the guy is a good guy for sure. His only fault has been to not recognise the route cause of him having to bail the club out which is a lack of new blood, lack of income generation and marketing ideas. Fix that and AJ would not have had to put so much Into the club.......one simple fact ties all of this together and is the route of our failure and a demonstration of JNs incompetence. Some smaller clubs with smaller gates generate more off field revenue than CUFC.....a sin. Going to BP feels like going to a nursing home! You go because you care, perhaps some guilt, that you should be there but it's like watching a slow death ran by people who have seen it a thousand times. I want it to feel like going to the pagoda or the first time again.....a buzz...excited about going, what you might see and apart from the hangover bloody fun. JN, what is exciting, a buzz and fun about going to your nursing home at your museum venue?.....CUSTODIANS OF FAILURE.

Can't agree about AJ each time he has had the control of the club we have ended up in the mire, he is as much to blame for the present state of the club as JN or SP.

pacirv wrote:
That is absolutely right, he plays the part of the well meaning, bumbling old chap having to keep bailing the club out very well indeed. The problem is there are still far too many people who have not yet realised why he has to keep plugging leaks, it is quite simply because he's causing the fucking leaks in the first place. He has been presiding over a dismal slide from the League 1 play offs (should have been automatic promotion to the championship), to the verge of going out of the league entirely. Throwing away 3,000 punters per home game along the way (in monetary terms £45,000 per match, with 23 league matches a season, a total of over £1m per season). Maybe, just maybe, some of this has not really been entirely his fault, but he certainly has to carry the can for quite a large amount of it. So gate takings being down by over £1m a season for the last few years (I realise it has been gradual, so with the benefit of some doubt, we can say the idiots have likely only cost the club around £4m), and related income streams obviously suffering as well have to be in large part his fault. How much of what they've cost the club has he put back in? Well, certainly not £4m, but perhaps he's realised it is in part his fault, and that is why he's put money in, unlike his mate.

This sort of cack will keep happening until the fools finally let it go.

Which they won't until they sell the ground.

Passed a car today, with a sticker in the back window, "Ignorance is boring"
I realised that is exactly wat is happening with United. Lack of information from those in charge is resulting in this Club becoming tediously boring. The Charisma Twins running the Club are rapidly destroying any support left for the Club.
United are boring, Even this board is becoming boring, simply because those in charge feel no obligation to those who provide the lifeblood to the Club, ie money, keep them on the dark, and assume they will continue to pay out through either season tickets or normal gate receipts to support a creaking edifice of the past that should have been wound up years ago.
Probably the best thing that could happen is for United to fold under the present leadership and allow a new Phoenix like apparition to emerge from the ashes, even if that means dabbling in the Conference North or even lower.
But at least that wouldn't be so f..ki.g boring as it is at present.

Any new club with the exception of the MK Dons franchise arrangement would have to start at level 9 not level 6 the Conference North.