TOPIC: The Future of United

As a new subscriber I would like to point out that the majority of subscribers have in my opinion got it all wrong.Nixon and Jenkins should be congratulated for doing what they have for our club.The first thing that must be understood is that this is a business not a hobby.I have not seen the profit and loss account but being a businessman for fifty years I should think that the gate receipts at Brunton Park go nowhere near meeting the expenditure.How can you possibly hope for success on the back of gates of 4500.
Regarding the proposed takeover I see no reason at all why negotiations are not taking place.I would fully expect confidentiality clauses to be signed and adhered to. Mr Nixon has stated only three people know the identity of the billionaire and there is nothing wrong with that.
I would suggest that supporters get behind the team and manager in numbers and I am sure Jenkins and Nixon will get it right for the future.

1/10 poor effort

Blinkered rose coloured glasses etc.

Not another one.

The gates wouldn't be under 4k if they weren't running the club.

From 1 win away to the Championship to absolute relegation fodder.

Have you just crawled out of a rock??

As long as Jenkins and Nixon remain as owners United has no future. They are a big part of why the gates are down and we are languishing in League 2

"I would suggest that supporters get behind the team and manager in numbers and I am sure Jenkins and Nixon will get it right for the future"

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You may well be right, however at the pace they operate, most of us will not be alive to see it ...........................

Arragorn wrote:
There always seems to be new reasons trotted out for why we have poor gates. First it was Abbott, then Kav, then poor match day experience and now Nixon and Jenkins.

I'm sure if we do get taken over people will soon have another reason for not going to the match.

TROLL ALERT! Poor poor effort!

As a business man you should know there are better ways of running Carlisle United to achieve more income & higher gates. That's the problem these guys are as proactive as they are silent.

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, that's what a message board is for.
My opinion is that you're talking utter bullshit.

thesilentone wrote:
Yup, glaciers move quicker.

shaldon1 wrote:
I fully agree with about 95% of that apart from the last sentence. Ive i mean weve i mean theyve stood down havent they?

Dancingbear wrote:
They would be he then

seesaw50 wrote:
Shhhh its all part of my masterplan.

Lmao

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My first thought was that the original poster was obviously somebody making a very poor attempt at a wind up which was completely transparent straight away...

But after thinking about it, I actually wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if it was really John Nixon sat at a computer thinking to himself that this would be the perfect way to get the fans back on side. The bloke really is that thick I reckon.


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I really think JN/SP have led AJ well and truly up the garden path!

A lack of proper leadership and businesses acumen has not being present by the MD due to a "fuckit I can't be bothered, AJ will bale us out" attitude.

The club seemed to loose it's progressive attitude the day FS left the club, backed up by a steady decline in results/attendencies and quality of playing squad.

For me, CUFC has not cost anybody on the BOD a penny! The BOD has cost themselves or in particularly AJ an absolute fortune. With this in mind AJ should admit that they've balls up and he should wipe the clubs debt to him clean.

This will surely make the club far more attractive to any future investors!

Somewhere there are three billy goats stamping on a bridge, going, "where the [censored] has he gone?"

DeckchairBlue wrote:
All those reasons seem valid to me and so does holding JN, AJ and SP responsible for it.

Muffter, if they loved CUFC half as much as their arse-licking happy clappers made out, they'd have wiped the debt clean and walked away a long time ago by now.

NO NO NO NO NO. I cant believe you just said HAPPY CLAPPER. Them two words are really starting to pee me off!!!

I didn't think it'd let me write '*****'

Go away, John.

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shaldon1 wrote:
That's funny, I could have sworn that he stepped down as MD and relinquished all control at the club last week. Do you know something we don't?

Nixon stepped down from the operational board as MD, he is stilll a major shareholder and owner of the club, alongside Jenkins.

cufcdeano wrote:
Is it possible to set that up as an auto-response, everyone someone says that Nixon has left? Would save you loads of time, not to mention annoyance.

shaldon1 wrote: Welcome to the messageboard. I genuinely hope that you are correct and there is a billionaire about to invest and drive us forward as a club.

However, I'd suggest you are being too kind to the JN and AJ. They have in fact treated the club like a hobby instead of a business for the last few years... if you feel differently please state the positive things that they have achieved in the last five years? To be honest I can't think of any. For me you can only judge people on their results in business... Their results have been appalling. I've spoken to AJ a few times and he is a nice fella, clearly passionate about the club and I'm grateful for his efforts in keeping us afloat in the past... but it has to be said that for all his good intentions, he is now out of touch with the modern football world and very poor at running a football club. JN is a devious man and I know for a fact he has no problem reneging on an agreed deal... I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him... which wouldn't be far.

Northumbrian wrote:
You mean like stitching Workington up when we signed Adam Collin?

Ok Northumbria.
Apparently sometime in the past Jenkins had to contribute 600K to the United Coffers, in order to keep them afloat. A sum wihich no other Director had either the willingness or Capacity to provide.
If you are looking for a positive as far as Jenkins is concerned, then I would ask, what if Jenkins had not provided these funds. Would we still have a Club.?.

In short yes. We may also have got a board who wouldnt lose 600k in the first place.

Quokkablue2 wrote:
It's a case of the chicken and the egg though isn't it? Would he have to have done so if they had run the club properly, or employed someone to do so after it was clear they couldn't do it?

shaldon1 wrote:
I have been away for a long weekend, so I haven't posted on here since Thursday. I saw this and was a little disconcerted.

I think we all realise, contrary to what the original post says, that running a football club is a business not a hobby. We are all customers of that business, most of us are regular repeat customers and as such have a stake in the business.

I think as a business person you might understand that if the number of customers you're getting didn't generate enough income to cover your expenses then you would be in trouble and you'd need to find a way to increase income, by increasing the number of customers. Why then, do you think, that the current people running the club have made the product less desirable every year they've been in charge? When they started this time, the numbers of people watching our home games was sufficient to sustain the club in League 1. This has been eroded over their 6 or 7 years, gradually, because of their incompetence. For example we have found ourselves supporting a team at the very foot of the bottom division, after those fools running the place started with a team which was capable of challenging for promotion to the Championship. At the same time the stadium is being allowed to fall further into ruin, the match day experience is deteriorating, the punters are becoming increasingly isolated from the club. You really think we should be congratulating them because of this?

I accept what you are saying about confidentiality, but that could only apply if there was some sort of investment, since there clearly is not there is little need for confidentiality.

I am confident that supporters will certainly get behind the manager and the team come the weekend. I am also confident that those same supporters know that Nixon and Jenkins don't care about them, or the club, and have no confidence that those two will get anything right. In fact most supporters, certainly those on here, and those who've already voted with their feet can't wait to see the back of them.

Quokkablue2 wrote:
Just work out how much losing 1,000 supporters costs the club. Then do that over say 4 years and compound it per year. That way you will get a rough estimate of just how much these two have cost us over the last few years. The fact that a small proportion of what they've cost us has been paid back is very little to cheer about.

Agree with you moorlad, you talk a lot of sense on here.

The trio kept bleating on about not enough supporter's coming through the gates but they have to give us something and a reason to come.

Interesting post on the other site from Northernsoul who I believe may have had the same info as me regarding who set up this billionaire thing. Any ideas?

I saw Barry's teaser Mullen, and asked him to expand because I have no idea what he means.

Mullen103 wrote:
Posting cryptic riddles on the internet and then not explaining what you mean isn't that much different to what John Nixon is up to, to be honest.


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I want to say Cocaine but I asked cufcdeano on here and wasn't allowed due to the threat of legal action by the said person.

Whack it on Facebook/twitter/MySpace/bebo then

Or make posters and stick them all round carlisle


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If that waffles not thebigblue giving it the big in the know routine I'll give you all the Norwegian coins in my foreign change collection

Classic bigblue stuff that. Im still waiting for the evil Barons empire to crumble around him.

Quokkablue2 wrote: No I don't think we would have a club if it wasn't for Mr Jenkins. As I said I have spoken to him a few times and he is a really nice man... he absolutely loves the club, I have no doubt about that. I am very appreciative that he has dipped into his own pocket to bail the club out on a few occassions. However, that doesn't mean he knows how to run a succesful football club, just look at how the club has faired when he has been in control... in the last few years we have gone from the edge of the Championship getting an average of 7,500 fans to nearly getting relegated from L2 with about 4,000 fans. That isn't a great record you must admit? He just doesn't have what it takes to run a football club in the modern world I'm afraid... that's not a criticism, just a fact. At his age he can't be expected to keep up with the rapid pace of change in the industry. Things like new ticketing technologies, fan loyalty systems, pre-paid card schemes etc. are rapidly evolving and becoming an essential part of the industry. It is a very different game to the one we are used to in the past and fan expectations are much higher...we have to move with the times quickly or we will be left behind by more progressive clubs. The one thing that makes me think the billionaire thing is true is that I don't want to think that AJ is involved in any deception of the fans... but my view is he may have been boxed into a corner by Nixon and has had to go along with it. Time will tell i guess.... I'm hoping it's true... but my head is telling me it's balls.

Northumbrian wrote:
That first sentence of yours is very surprising Northumbrian. I think we'd definitely have had a club. Who knows it may even have been better than the one we have now.

Dancingbear wrote: I'm talking pre-knighton. But you could be correct... nobody will ever know. We could have gone under, reformed and come back stronger I guess.

Has JN lost his password since posting the first message on this topic as he(allegedly) hasn't` been back on since that one and only post, patting himself on the back?????

I put this topic up because I firmly believe that JN and AJ are business people.As a businessman you are not always adored by people but you have people to employ whose living depends on you.I would like all subscribers to think about all the staff at the club and how they feel with all this stupid criticism taking place.I repeat that JN and AJ both have the club at heart and will come up with the right result. Please do not forget that the legal profession are also involved and you should know from selling or buying a house the problems that can be involved there.
Allow time and let things take there course and I am certain the correct result will arrive.

Its a good job they dont run it as a business then or itd have been boarded up years ago.

shaldon1 wrote:
Unbelievable! As some have already stated , as those in control of the club, in control of the staff, in control of the direction the club needs to go in, ultimately they carry the responsibility for the whole lot good and bad. even If all they did was look at the balance sheet, as directors, as business men, they should see it is patently clear we have been on a slide for too long. If you are in business Shaldon, i'd like you to answer one simple question, does your business lose money every year thus needing you to borrow money to bail it out? so............

We are not criticising the staff, just the two custodians.

shaldon1 wrote:
Well, I really don't have any idea how you ran your business, or what it was. Nor do I have any real interest in knowing. I think you're failing to grasp what is happening at this particular business though, there are really toxic issues which have not been addressed. The people running the business are getting themselves out of the firing line and letting other people take the bullets for them. Since they (along with Allen and Pattison - the four horsemen of the apocalypse now seems even more apt) took charge of the business sales have fallen dramatically, the product has been in a steady decline, the business area has become even more dilapidated and outdated and there has been a massive disconnect with almost the entire customer base.

I would expect any business with just one of those problems to try to address it, in order to shore things up and hope to make improvements later. Unfortunately nothing here has been addressed, it has been allowed to continue to get worse and worse, to the stage now where the business itself is on the verge of no longer being a going concern. It has been very fortunate in recent weeks that those sales of Potts and Dempsey, along with the cash from Man Utd have been able to show things in a slightly different light, however I still would expect the accounts to June 2015 to show a large loss. If you add that to the almost £1m losses from the two previous years, there have to be serious concerns about the viability of such a business.

Fair enough in the past they've been able to say that a director would step in to ensure the cash flow was there, but his input was loans and made no difference to the Profit and Loss account. So although the Balance Sheet may have looked reasonable the retained profit element was dwindling, and seems set to continue to do so.

As a business person, why does this not concern you?

shaldon1 wrote:
Dear Andrew or John.... whichever you are?.... I do not believe they have the club at heart nor do I believe either to be 'good businessmen'! I grew up loving Carlisle and travelled home and away for most of my teenage and adult life!

What I will say is they're both astute enough to almost have completed their objective of making us a 'nice little non league club'! They've poisoned the football club and the mismanagement and lack of 'business nouse' on display have seen genuine investment fall by the wayside whilst they pursue talks with the alleged 'Billionaire' and oversee the demise of the team itself. The plot line of which is following course nicely! Given another 6-12 months I fully expect that talks will have ground to a halt thus meaning you can continue your original objective!

Most impressive though is that they have managed to do this whilst still retaining the faith of some fans! I am not one of those fans and back to my point of travelling home or away I'd rather travel to the arse end of the country to watch the Blues than pay into your coffers at Brunton Park and that for me is a sad reality.

Completely out of touch with fans, completely out of touch with football and completely out of touch with how to run a successful business.

I'll never stop supporting Carlisle but I lost all faith in the clubs hierarchy a long time ago!