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Billionaire negotiations 19 Aug 2025 14:25 #51

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It could of just been a stalling tactic by Agar to stop the Lapping deal as he was very against it and its taken legs more than anyone could of imagined.

Now, now. I'm sure that if the 'billionaire' was brought to the club's attention by the notoriously anti-Lapping Keith Agar, on the eve of the Lapping deal going through, that the timing was nothing more than pure coincidence.


I don't believe in coincidences. Especially not such convenient ones.
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Billionaire negotiations 19 Aug 2025 14:25 #52

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Who exactly is this agar?

He's had involvement with Stockport, Gretna and Chester to name a few. Do a bit of Googling, see what you come up with.

Ok so he was involved with these clubs and they are now playing low level football. But what did he do to accomplish this? And how in what way would he be a danger to Carlisle?
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Yes and no

A name has been given but it could be Bill Gates for all we know, whether he is interested or not is another thing. It could of just been a stalling tactic by Agar to stop the Lapping deal as he was very against it and its taken legs more than anyone could of imagined.

Wearing my Grammar Police cap for a minute, Mullen, it's "could have", not "could of". ;)

But you evidently know more than you're telling. I heard whispers shortly before the billionaire crack was launched that someone was desperate to wreck the Lapping plan. I was told a name but had no other proof. AJ and JN were also dead against the Lapping plan for individual reasons of their own. They seized the opportunity presented to kick it into row Z, but never saw how it would get so far out of hand
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Yes and no

A name has been given but it could be Bill Gates for all we know, whether he is interested or not is another thing. It could of just been a stalling tactic by Agar to stop the Lapping deal as he was very against it and its taken legs more than anyone could of imagined.

Wearing my Grammar Police cap for a minute, Mullen, it's "could have", not "could of". ;)

But you evidently know more than you're telling. I heard whispers shortly before the billionaire crack was launched that someone was desperate to wreck the Lapping plan. I was told a name but had no other proof. AJ and JN were also dead against the Lapping plan for individual reasons of their own. They seized the opportunity presented to kick it into row Z, but never saw how it would get so far out of hand

As I have said before, the dynamic duo pulled the plug on Lapping, not because he couldn't stump up the cash but because there was a significant risk that he would produce the funding and do exactly what he had intended to, thus putting the dynamic duo out on a limb and ultimately out on their ar5es.
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Can Keith Agar play centre back?
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First to put my hands up on spelling/grammar I know im no good ;)

Its no secret that Agar wants to run Carlisle United. I'm trying to find the link where he says it in the Manchester evening news.

I had the link but the page has mysteriously disappeared ;)

I have to be careful what's I put but the longer the agent takes with this billionaire stuff the more money Jenkins and possibly the others have to put in. Sadly one day they will say no or they will no longer be here meaning certain administration. The only way Agar could get his hands on the club is if it went into administration.
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First to put my hands up on spelling/grammar I know im no good ;)

Its no secret that Agar wants to run Carlisle United. I'm trying to find the link where he says it in the Manchester evening news.

I had the link but the page has mysteriously disappeared ;)

I have to be careful what's I put but the longer the agent takes with this billionaire stuff the more money Jenkins and possibly the others have to put in. Sadly one day they will say no or they will no longer be here meaning certain administration. The only way Agar could get his hands on the club is if it went into administration.

Nudge, nudge, wink wink, say no more...
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Well if theres any truth in this surely the question needs to be asked by the trust as Agar is a member and see what his reply is . or is this one for the 1400 new enrolled season ticket holders to fire off in september ???????????????

It's the Trust, whatever name they are now using. No further explanation necessary to anyone with a memory.

As has been asked countless times on countless threads, what is the point of a fan's Trust which the fans can't/don't trust?
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Someone back in 2003, was planning a blueyonder type development for York City...

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/new...ork-city-120821.html
search "greenbelt" on that article to jump straight to it

hmm
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Maybe David Conn should start monitoring the goings on at BP?
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Interesting because I know Grovenor casinos were consulted re an enabling development at rosehill near the motorway, they didn't entertain the idea but with Agar suggesting the same for York city back then mmmm makes you think.
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I`d like a plain speaking announcement asap or just come out and say it`s business as usual.
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Quote on here regarding Agar saying he wants to take over CUFC. Sure I saw it on the MEN website at some point as well

http://boards.footymad.net/stockportcounty-mad/2134615044

Also says here he has wanted to buy CUFC on three separate occasions

http://www.ycfc.premiumtv.co.uk/news/20030224/newspaper-names-mystery-backer_2259660_347904
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Quote on here regarding Agar saying he wants to take over CUFC. Sure I saw it on the MEN website at some point as well

http://boards.footymad.net/stockportcounty-mad/2134615044

Also says here he has wanted to buy CUFC on three separate occasions

http://www.ycfc.premiumtv.co.uk/news/20030224/newspaper-names-mystery-backer_2259660_347904

Thanks Loser. The messageboard link was the one I was meaning. It was in MEN but the link I had no longer works it looks like the article has been removed ;)

But it clearly states he wants to take over us
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Billionaire negotiations 19 Aug 2025 16:56 #65

I dont have an account on facebook or twitter but if the club are active on there maybe somebody should ask about Keith Agar and see what they say.
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Hmmm, does this sound familiar to anyone?
"While County were at the wrong end of the Conference table, some fans’ eyes looked on as Port Vale won promotion from League Two.

The reason? Vale were taken over earlier in the season by Paul Wildes, who had apparently tabled a bid to acquire the Hatters.

Mr Fearn had gone on record to describe an approach to the club from ‘a fantasist’ – though some fans were left wondering why Wildes’ apparent bid had been dismissed.

“Paul Wildes never approached us; it was Keith Agar (County’s former managing director) who approached us,” Mr Fearn explained.

“We had a bid of £30,000 for the club; he wanted to take it on and repay the loans when County were back in the Championship.

“He (Agar) said it was from Paul Wildes but we never heard from him; if he had come in then I’d have been quite open to hear what he had to say.

“It’s not a closed shop, so if people can come in and invest then that’s brilliant.”"

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/fo...-fearn-heard-3815171
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The first thing to remember the fans do not OWN the club.If you do not OWN the club you have no authority in the decision making of running it.Sadly as with Marks and Spencer or Tesco you are a customer.
You must put faith in the board of directors.There is no guarantee they will get it the way you want it but they have to look after their money not yours so be patient.
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The first thing to remember the fans do not OWN the club.If you do not OWN the club you have no authority in the decision making of running it.

Without the fans there is nothing. Take the fans out of any football club, and the club/business dies.
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shaldon 1 why should any of us have faith in the directors? they have presided over our downward spiral and almost got us into the Conference. They are presently feeding us bullsh1te about billionaires and expect us to believe it. It must be almost 3 months since the announcement that AL's plans were being binned in favour of some mysterious "billionaire" and apart from some wishy washy statements from the directors nothing concrete sappears to have happened. If such a really person existed he would be able to buy CUFC with his loose change. So the Board really need to come clean and tell poor suffering souls WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???
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The first thing to remember the fans do not OWN the club.If you do not OWN the club you have no authority in the decision making of running it.

Without the fans there is nothing. Take the fans out of any football club, and the club/business dies.

Yeah but when 6000 turn up for the first home game and there is no hint of any protest/disquiet against the BoD why should they worry about anything else.......
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Oldhamblue wrote:
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The first thing to remember the fans do not OWN the club.If you do not OWN the club you have no authority in the decision making of running it.

Without the fans there is nothing. Take the fans out of any football club, and the club/business dies.

Yeah but when 6000 turn up for the first home game and there is no hint of any protest/disquiet against the BoD why should they worry about anything else.......

Plus when there is a meeting held at the club 45 minutes after FT, when fans can actually talk with the two people who are running the club on a day to day basis and reps from the board of CUSC and only around 30 people turn up,. I think that gives the message that most people are reasonably happy with how things are.
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The first thing to remember the fans do not OWN the club.If you do not OWN the club you have no authority in the decision making of running it.Sadly as with Marks and Spencer or Tesco you are a customer.
You must put faith in the board of directors.There is no guarantee they will get it the way you want it but they have to look after their money not yours so be patient.
You have a point about the fans not owning the club Shaldon.... the fans are the customer.... and as such they are absolutely entitled to moan and complain, and even protest if the product being served up or the decisions taken by that company are awful.... did Tesco etc. dismiss complaints about the horsemeat scandal and ask cutomers to be patient until they got the meat right? No. They realised it was totally unacceptable and apologised. They then looked to investigate the shambles and put it right.

If you got cat shit in your M&S; sandwich you'd have every right to go crazy about it as the customer..... currently the board of Directors are feeding us cat shit sandwiches, so you can't expect fans, as customers, to be patient.
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Come on Bumble, you know perfectly well that it wouldn't make a shite of difference whether 30 people or 300 turn up to these events. The people we'd want to speak to choose not to attend them, and the puppets they send instead wouldn't give us the answers we all want to know anyway.

You sound exactly like the great John Nixon himself...
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Bumble wrote:
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The first thing to remember the fans do not OWN the club.If you do not OWN the club you have no authority in the decision making of running it.

Without the fans there is nothing. Take the fans out of any football club, and the club/business dies.

Yeah but when 6000 turn up for the first home game and there is no hint of any protest/disquiet against the BoD why should they worry about anything else.......

Plus when there is a meeting held at the club 45 minutes after FT, when fans can actually talk with the two people who are running the club on a day to day basis and reps from the board of CUSC and only around 30 people turn up,. I think that gives the message that most people are reasonably happy with how things are.

But these two people have exactly less than zero say in what happens to the club in the long term - and CUSC still has not been told anything about the proposed investment - so it would be frankly a waste of time........
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The first thing to remember the fans do not OWN the club.If you do not OWN the club you have no authority in the decision making of running it.Sadly as with Marks and Spencer or Tesco you are a customer.
You must put faith in the board of directors.There is no guarantee they will get it the way you want it but they have to look after their money not yours so be patient.

I completely agree, however the supporters have a control over the club, that is equal to or maybe greater than the BOD.
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Bumble wrote:
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The first thing to remember the fans do not OWN the club.If you do not OWN the club you have no authority in the decision making of running it.

Without the fans there is nothing. Take the fans out of any football club, and the club/business dies.

Yeah but when 6000 turn up for the first home game and there is no hint of any protest/disquiet against the BoD why should they worry about anything else.......

Plus when there is a meeting held at the club 45 minutes after FT, when fans can actually talk with the two people who are running the club on a day to day basis and reps from the board of CUSC and only around 30 people turn up,. I think that gives the message that most people are reasonably happy with how things are.

Or it could mean the rest of the fans either have other commitments or realise it'd be a complete waste of their Saturday evening.
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Where was this meeting advertised?
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Where was this meeting advertised?

in the schedule of CUOSC meetings with CU around the County - on the OS originally , then repeated by Deano on here hope this helps.
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And so it goes on.

However:

Lord Clark of Windermere interviewed by R.Cumbria prior to The Chesterfield Cup game stated he knew who the investor is and where he comes from! I`d say Lord Clark is a credible source.

Re Fans OWNING the club, anybody who is a CUOSC (Trust) member has a stake in the club within their percentage ownership in CUFC Holdings.

Re Agar: as has been said, he is an historic founder Trust member and oppo of Alan Steele, surely the Board of CUOSC ( the Trust) should be seeking some clarification but maybe a CUOSC (Trust) member needs to request they do this.

Is Agar based overseas?
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Could the news and star not do some investigation into who it is and what this agar bloke has to do with it all? Surely a few questions and pushy journalism would reveal something!

Information is well overdue. Again.
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And so it goes on.

However:

Lord Clark of Windermere interviewed by R.Cumbria prior to The Chesterfield Cup game stated he knew who the investor is and where he comes from! I`d say Lord Clark is a credible source.

Re Fans OWNING the club, anybody who is a CUOSC (Trust) member has a stake in the club within their percentage ownership in CUFC Holdings.

Re Agar: as has been said, he is an historic founder Trust member and oppo of Alan Steele, surely the Board of CUOSC ( the Trust) should be seeking some clarification but maybe a CUOSC (Trust) member needs to request they do this.

Is Agar based overseas?

He lives near Clinton Baptiste
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"Am gettin the word..."
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The Billionaire is American
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The Billionaire is American

No
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The Billionaire is American

No

The Billionaire is Mullen?
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I wish

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Ahh so :)
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I suspect that the only negotiations on going at the moment are between Nixon and Jenkins and what they are going to come up with next.
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So Sheldon, what are your thoughts on Pattison mouthing off at fans last season and telling them not to bother coming back?
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Interesting because I know Grovenor casinos were consulted re an enabling development at rosehill near the motorway, they didn't entertain the idea but with Agar suggesting the same for York city back then mmmm makes you think.

If you want to hmm some more, york city's new stadium will be ready in spring 2017, a mere 14 years after the original idea was proposed by keith

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-33991218

If blue yonder has a similar time scale we can expect a shiny new 8,000 tin shed sometime around christmas 2024 :-)
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www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/la...utd-revamp-1.1225945
The Cumberland News, meanwhile, understands that, despite speculation, there is no link between the would-be investor’s interest and the former Gretna managing director Keith Agar.
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www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/la...utd-revamp-1.1225945
The Cumberland News, meanwhile, understands that, despite speculation, there is no link between the would-be investor’s interest and the former Gretna managing director Keith Agar.
Well if they asked anyone connected to the current board then it must be true!
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As mentioned on the other thread take it with a pinch of salt and to be honest further fuels the speculation by the wording of it.

Correct in that Agar isn't working for the billionaires interests but did Agar introduce the agent to the current board that's the question that needs asked.
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Billionaire negotiations Yesterday 14:05 #94

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And the answers yes by the way.
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So basically we have an agent working for an agent working for a " billionaire"? Or have I missed out an agent somewhere? :)
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Agar introduced the Agent to Jenkins, Jenkins already knows the agent through dealings elsewhere.

Only one agent acting supposedly for the billionaire. The only contact the BOD have had with the billionaire is through emails, they were told not to contact the billionaire or reveal his name or the deals off.

I don't know however if the billionaire is real and has real intentions or is fictitious and the BOD have fallen for a scam. I have my theories but I also don't understand why this reputable agent would dupe Jenkins/Nixon.
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Perhaps the reputable agent has a hidden agenda or isn't as reputable as you think
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Only one agent acting supposedly for the billionaire. The only contact the BOD have had with the billionaire is through emails, they were told not to contact the billionaire or reveal his name or the deals off.

Well he sounds like an nice, open, approachable chap. I don't know what we're worrying about, it's clear he's determined to complete his takeover of CUFC at all costs

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My head hurts :blink: :blink: :blink:
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FFS, What a total farce and embarrassment. Mullen, if what you state is correct, We are about to look very fookin stupid. Billionnaire my AR5E!! More likely to be Lord Lucan. All this just to preserve their little empire, Pathetic. Come on Laffy, get the coin together and launch a hostile bid of some description, a law suit to scare em 5hitless and force 'em out soon as!!!!
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