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I know it's good to keep consistency but that's a bit much. Some players really have to prove themselves next season, not convinced some of the names offered contacts are worth it.
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Awaits the Cedwyn Scott meltdown from all the experts who know his qualities inside out.
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There’s probably a couple more on there I would have let go. It isn’t going to leave us much room for many new signings. However I’d imagine 1 or 2 will turn down the new offers.
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Sadly very predictable. Anderton’s contract offer should include him paying to play for the club. Absolute liability
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Awaits the Cedwyn Scott meltdown from all the experts who know his qualities inside out.


Oh you will be sorry and I will keep reminding you when he signs for AC Milan....



He probably will rock up for Hartlepool :)
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Disappointed but expected.
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Scott is a shame but I don’t see him fitting into Beech’s 433 ‘hit and hope’.

Toure and Anderton are the surprises for me there. Toure hasn’t offered enough in my opinion but then again he’s a good option to have from the bench. Anderton must be on reduced wages as he should only be a backup to Armer, I really hope he doesn’t stunt Jack’s progression.
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I’d like to see us keep feeney Bennett, Zanzala & Farman.
With toure activated I’d move Patrick on, surprised he was extended, can’t be too expensive.
It’s great to see such continuity in the squad and with quality retained.
The likes of tanner, Riley, Mellish, Armer should be even better next season.

I’d like to add a couple of experienced leaders, I think this was our biggest weakness this season.

I’d love to see the stats but we really struggled when going a goal down and in general in the 2nd half of games. I’d be scared of the goals scored after 75 mins figure or goals scored by subs.
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I can only think Toure was activated as a punt. See if he scores a few goals in early season then trade him on in January. After all Swindon paid us money for Hallam Hope which I regard as one of Holdsworth's crowning achievements.
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There was an option in Patrick’s contract to extend for another season. Why didn’t they just activate it if they want to keep him?
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Looking at those who've we've kept I think we can expect possibly two strikers, one winger (hopefully different to Toure and Patrick), one sitting midfielder to cover for Guy and depending on Bennett signing a new deal, a central defender. I doubt we'll bring in any loans this season.
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Looks like we’re going to be stuck with central defenders who make too many crucial mistakes, wingers who almost never get the ball to the bye line and strikers who don’t score nearly enough goals.
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There was an option in Patrick’s contract to extend for another season. Why didn’t they just activate it if they want to keep him?


Maybe his option is in his favour, and he’d only sign originally if it was so?
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I don't quite understand the criticism of the decision to release Scott on the basis that he didn't play. He was effectively on an extended trial as the reserve game he was meant to play in kept being called off so Beech brought him in until the end of the season. It's a nice story to bring someone in from non-league and for them to do well but he obviously wasn't up to it. If we had a Jamie Vardy banging them in in training then I'm sure he'd have played and would've been given a contract. Steven Rigg scored 50 odd goals from midfield for Penrith at a higher level than Scott and has just been released by Dover. Yes, we made a mistake 10 years ago on Nahki Wells and Paddy Madden but they are rare exceptions.
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There was an option in Patrick’s contract to extend for another season. Why didn’t they just activate it if they want to keep him?


Maybe his option is in his favour, and he’d only sign originally if it was so?


I’m sure Holdsworth said somewhere (can’t remember where) that all the options were in the clubs favour.

Perhaps they only wanted to offer him reduced terms? Presumably the options if activated keep the players on the same terms.
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Was that not for those signed last Summer?

Guy signed similar time to Patrick in Jan 2020, but his was in our favour.

Patrick was last day of Jan, day after Guy, maybe his was in his favour to get the deal done?
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I don't quite understand the criticism of the decision to release Scott on the basis that he didn't play. He was effectively on an extended trial as the reserve game he was meant to play in kept being called off so Beech brought him in until the end of the season. It's a nice story to bring someone in from non-league and for them to do well but he obviously wasn't up to it. If we had a Jamie Vardy banging them in in training then I'm sure he'd have played and would've been given a contract. Steven Rigg scored 50 odd goals from midfield for Penrith at a higher level than Scott and has just been released by Dover. Yes, we made a mistake 10 years ago on Nahki Wells and Paddy Madden but they are rare exceptions.


To be fair, Dover have only kept on 2 players
http://www.doverathletic.com/news/retained-and-released-list/

And in my "Greg Abbott Can't Spot a Potential Striker With His Arse Dossier" I also have Andy Cook (159 goals) and Ryan Bowman (124 goals)
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Cook could be a smart signing as he’d be seen as an academy graduate on match days.
Worth a punt?
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I don't quite understand the criticism of the decision to release Scott on the basis that he didn't play. He was effectively on an extended trial as the reserve game he was meant to play in kept being called off so Beech brought him in until the end of the season. It's a nice story to bring someone in from non-league and for them to do well but he obviously wasn't up to it. If we had a Jamie Vardy banging them in in training then I'm sure he'd have played and would've been given a contract. Steven Rigg scored 50 odd goals from midfield for Penrith at a higher level than Scott and has just been released by Dover. Yes, we made a mistake 10 years ago on Nahki Wells and Paddy Madden but they are rare exceptions.


Only the future will tell if releasing players was a bad/good decision.

Hayden's backside would have been out of the building if it Pressley had anything to do with it, if Beech had been replaced then would the new manager have rated Scott? We will never know.

To be fair there are very few that go on to be very good compared to the shedloads that fall by the wayside or drop down the leagues, so not many escape our grasp when we have them and also maybe a player improves or changes his attitude.

I think we could do far worse that keep tabs on Pat Brough - local and wouldn't break the bank in wages if he was on a free, he improved greatly with a full season in the league and started to find the net as well.

Not a hankering for ex-players just trying to use our location to our advantage for a change, shame that never worked out with Grant Holt.
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Was that not for those signed last Summer?

Guy signed similar time to Patrick in Jan 2020, but his was in our favour.

Patrick was last day of Jan, day after Guy, maybe his was in his favour to get the deal done?


Just looked at the article from when he signed. His is worded as ‘with a review’ whatever the hell that means.

https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2020/january/contract-striker-signs-permanent-deal/
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Happy with that list. Continuity is a rare thing at this level in the modern game.

Toure may not quite have delivered, but both he and Patrick have it in them to scare the hell out of opposition defenders. Anderton is much maligned, and had a tough time in the second half of the season - but there’s a player in there, and hopefully he can learn some lessons if he stays.

If we can keep Bennett and Zanzala, I’ll be very happy indeed. As for Scott, it’s a shame - just didn’t work out for the lad.
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I know Scott’s father-he will be upset for his boy no doubt
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CB on Cedwyn Scott:

"Cedwyn is another great lad who has worked extremely hard with us. It is open-ended with him.

There is an invitation for him to join us for pre-season training, but we'll wait and see what happens with that and with what he wants to do as we step up for next season."

Doesn’t sound like we’ve completely closed the door on the lad just yet.
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Crazy to let Scott go without giving him a chance.
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Zanzala has already hinted that he will be here next season fingers crossed he will and hopefully Patrick will as well.
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I think a defence of tanner, Bennett, hayden and armer with Macdonald and Anderton is decent if the wages are right. Same in midfield, guy and Riley with furman and mellish. But upfront we were weak. I would have cleared out kayode, Alessandra, toure. Zanzala played well, walker was OK when fit and Patrick had his moments. I don't see at their ages how we can expect more next season unless he will bring in loanees, then why keep them?

If they have lots of unrealised potential maybe what we need is another coach?
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Sadly very predictable. Anderton’s contract offer should include him paying to play for the club. Absolute liability


It's baffling how some on here count themselves as "supporters" with comments like that.

Give the lad a break - yes he's seen some patchy form at stages during the season and has struggled for consistency.
But to describe him as a liability is well over the top - do you ever stop to think how players feel when they read some of the drivel on here? And do you think that helps?

If you want to watch perfect 10/10 performances every week, watch Man City. One of the pleasures of watching the lower leagues is watching how players overcome their inconsistencies over time and develop as players

Don't post on here anything you wouldn't say to a player in person
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Looks like it will be much of the same next season.
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Sadly very predictable. Anderton’s contract offer should include him paying to play for the club. Absolute liability


It's baffling how some on here count themselves as "supporters" with comments like that.

Give the lad a break - yes he's seen some patchy form at stages during the season and has struggled for consistency.
But to describe him as a liability is well over the top - do you ever stop to think how players feel when they read some of the drivel on here? And do you think that helps?

If you want to watch perfect 10/10 performances every week, watch Man City. One of the pleasures of watching the lower leagues is watching how players overcome their inconsistencies over time and develop as players

Don't post on here anything you wouldn't say to a player in person


Pipe down Oldbolt. There's no sentiment in football. Since when did supporters care about the feelings of players as soon as they had moved on from their club?
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While they play for us we should support them.
Supporters, the clue is in the name.
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CB on Cedwyn Scott:

"Cedwyn is another great lad who has worked extremely hard with us. It is open-ended with him.

There is an invitation for him to join us for pre-season training, but we'll wait and see what happens with that and with what he wants to do as we step up for next season."

Doesn’t sound like we’ve completely closed the door on the lad just yet.


This sounds more like avoiding the prospect of playing Hebburn as a favour for us signing Scott and Scott is back playing for Hebburn….
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Got to feel for Scott really if he hadn’t come here he would now have a cup winners medal, instead he got a few mins pitch time even though in the 3 games he managed to play for the reserves he scored 4 goals. It’s not like we didn’t struggle to get goals either.
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Looks like it will be much of the same next season.


Including league position most likely.

Anderton should've been binned as he's clearly the weakest link when he's in the team. The only way to improve is by getting rid of such players and bring in better quality.
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CB:

“We want to continue what we’ve done at home, improve our away record and be adaptable a little bit more in terms of shape.

A little more adaptable in terms of shape!! - He had all season to adapt in games, yet didn't.
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Slagging off players is only really commenting on their performances if they are bad - you can't just take the plaudits and not be accountable for your terrible games.

Webster for example may have picked up at the end but he was still our worst player for many a season in my opinion because we were guessing the minute he made a gaff in games - he may not be the worst player in his performances for other clubs but for us he was a liability and he ended up laughing at his own mistakes like that time he should have scored.

We are all supporters but you cannot be blinkered by this and if we want to be the best then we have to be brutal about how players perform, you cannot say that someone is not a true supporter for stating facts even if it is hurtful towards the player, if if is not lies then the said player needs to man up and take it on the chin and improve or they can sulk if they want and be moved on.

No time for sentiment if we want promotion.
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Read my thoughts and join in the discussion on the only independent Carlisle United forum.

https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38276179&p=39779718&posted=1#post39779718
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Looks like it will be much of the same next season.


Including league position most likely.

Anderton should've been binned as he's clearly the weakest link when he's in the team. The only way to improve is by getting rid of such players and bring in better quality.
Anderton isn't a centre back, often played out of position...
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"you cannot say that someone is not a true supporter for stating facts even if it is hurtful towards the player"

Opinions are not the same as facts Munchy.
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"Opinions are not the same as facts Munchy."

In a manner similar to Russell's set paradox that scandalised 20th century mathematics, that's just your opinion and therefore not a fact, but if you're wrong and opinions are facts then your opinion is correct and opinions aren't facts.
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CB:

“We want to continue what we’ve done at home, improve our away record and be adaptable a little bit more in terms of shape.

A little more adaptable in terms of shape!! - He had all season to adapt in games, yet didn't.


I know it’s a one off, but Beech switched to 3-5-2 at Cheltenham which resulted in one of our strongest performances. He also switched to 4-4-2 at times (usually late in games we were struggling in) with varying degrees of success/failure.

We’ll be less predictable next season. (I hope).
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Being a top goal scorer in non league doesn’t mean your a goal scorer in league 2

Scott isn’t ready nor is he the next Jamie vardy

let it go.
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"you cannot say that someone is not a true supporter for stating facts even if it is hurtful towards the player"

Opinions are not the same as facts Munchy.


In the case of Anderton, I don't think that he is that bad a player at all but he made some terrible gaffs and decisions since Christmas that has left questions hanging over him.

On the flipside - pre Christmas he was the captain of the team that were top of the league beating all before them by brute power.


All in one season - his fitness could well be part of any covid issue but I was getting frustrated by JP on the radio claiming he wouldn't have done this and that if he was fully fit which I didn't agree with as decision making and awareness are a massive part of your game and it was lacking even when he got up to match fitness.

A gamble with Anderton that could pay off, if he accepts that is but you never know what Beech is thinking as in he could do better so he has offered him something derisory - I hate it when this happens because it makes the player look greedy if they reject a new offer from us when in reality it could just be the manager being a [censored] and offering them just above minimum wage.
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"Opinions are not the same as facts Munchy."

In a manner similar to Russell's set paradox that scandalised 20th century mathematics, that's just your opinion and therefore not a fact, but if you're wrong and opinions are facts then your opinion is correct and opinions aren't facts.


With retorts such as this I bet your other half hates you with a vengeance during arguments - in fact I imagine that they have just given up trying to win :)
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Being a top goal scorer in non league doesn’t mean your a goal scorer in league 2

Scott isn’t ready nor is he the next Jamie vardy

let it go.

That's exactly why he has had numerous clubs, not as good as he thinks he is.....
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Sadly very predictable. Anderton’s contract offer should include him paying to play for the club. Absolute liability


It's baffling how some on here count themselves as "supporters" with comments like that.

Give the lad a break - yes he's seen some patchy form at stages during the season and has struggled for consistency.
But to describe him as a liability is well over the top - do you ever stop to think how players feel when they read some of the drivel on here? And do you think that helps?

If you want to watch perfect 10/10 performances every week, watch Man City. One of the pleasures of watching the lower leagues is watching how players overcome their inconsistencies over time and develop as players

Don't post on here anything you wouldn't say to a player in person


To be fair Anderton is poor.
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I’m planning to tell Beech he’s shite to his face next season. I’m looking forward to it!
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I’m pleased Toure has been given another season - in his first few months he tore through defences, he’s worth another season.

Not sure why folk are so upset about Scott. Has anyone seen enough of him to comment? The fact a previous manager let Nahki Wells and Paddy Madden go is hardly evidence that we should be keeping Scott! Presumably, he’s not on a big wage which suggests he wasn’t showing enough in training to merit another deal.

Anderton had a mixed season, but showed enough in 18 months for me to understand why he’s been offered another contract. That could be on lower terms, there’s no guarantee he’ll be here next season..,
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I'm not going to comment on individual players, but we finished tenth in a poor league.

The criteria for who is and who is not retained should be based on which players are capable of bringing a top three finish to the club next season, and which young players can improve on last season's performances, or have shown the potential to break into the first team.

There is absolutely no point in offering players reduced terms on the basis that that those players are cheap if they're not good enough.
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I'm not going to comment on individual players, but we finished tenth in a poor league.

The criteria for who is and who is not retained should be based on which players are capable of bringing a top three finish to the club next season, and which young players can improve on last season's performances, or have shown the potential to break into the first team.

There is absolutely no point in offering players reduced terms on the basis that that those players are cheap if they're not good enough.


We did finish 10th as that’s a fact,I think we all agree there is a base of a better than average team this season We can all argue around individuals I have reservations about a couple myself !! We surely can’t go back to 17 players out and 17 in again as we have done over the last few years
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