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Rumours that six English Clubs will be unveiled as part of a proposed European Super League, possibly as early as this evening.

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Thoughts?

Personally I’d let them go. Expel the Clubs from all FA Competitions permanently and ban the Players from ever playing International football again too.

Oh, and would have no intention of subscribing to whoever broadcast it either...
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Typical. Just as Leeds are about to qualify for the champions league, this happens.
Even the clubs in questions fans don't want them to go, so just seems really odd..
Could just be a ruse for more power and easier qualiftication for the big clubs in the champions league.
UEFA and FIFA hold the power, as they can stop the players from the clubs in quesion playing in the Euros, World Cup etc, but they will bottle it.
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Good. With that lot gone we might get some sport back, rather than the top teams buying success. And when this fails, as it inevitably will, they can rejoin at about tier 10.
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The Super League proposals include:
- The 15 founder clubs sharing an initial 3.5billion (£3.1billion) euro “infrastructure grant” ranging from £310million to £89million per club which can be spent on stadiums, training facilities or “to replace lost stadium-related revenues due to Covid-19”.
- The format would see two groups of 10 clubs who play home and away, with the top four from each group going through to two-legged quarter-finals, semi-finals and a one-legged final.
- Matches would be midweek and clubs would still play in domestic leagues
- Clubs would have rights to show four matches a season on their own the digital platforms across the world
- Income from TV and sponsorship would favour the founding clubs: 32.5% of the pot would be shared equally between the 15 clubs, and another 32.5% between all Super League clubs including the five qualifiers
- 20% of the pot would be merit money “distributed in the same manner as the current English Premier League merit-based system” according to where clubs finish in the competition or group if they don’t make the knock-out stage
- The remaining 15% would a “commercial share based on club awareness”
- A cap of 55% of revenues permitted to be spent on salaries and transfers (net)
- A ‘Financial Sustainability Group’ would monitor clubs’ spending
The emergence of the written proposals led football’s authorities to take unified action to combat the threat. A Super League would be disastrous for the Champions League which relies on the glamour of the top clubs to attract broadcasters.
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Time for the rest of the league to get some bottle ...
6 fleas think they own the dog .
Good riddance
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Relegate them. Simple. These greedy power hungry clubs need spanked like naughty kids. Didn’t do me any harm!
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It’s funny how quickly the premier league, FA and UEFA release statements, to a rumour as that’s all it is at the moment, when money’s involved.

I can’t see it going ahead, but football sold its soul a long time ago.
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Greed happens at every level.
It would be great if they were told to [censored] off and stay [censored] off , but if it wasnt for greed of other clubs , they would happily see the back of them.
There is supporting your club in the traditional sense and then this huge explosion of armchair fans.
No neutrals give a toss about Burnley v Crystal Palace but their supporters do.
If clubs were more bothered about that game on it's own merits and not just the right to have a piece of the premier league pie, then they wouldnt be spending all their time playing anti-football and racing about finishing 15th.
Maybe it will change.
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They’ve been talking about this for 30 years!
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Shame they didn't do it 30 years ago then....
Man City & man utd wouldn't have got in it
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Dirty elitist shite for dirty elitists. All who support this can **** right off.

I can’t articulate this any other way.
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I would let them go-football is bigger than the elite
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Fans of the clubs involved are incensed.

They’ll be crucified if they try and go ahead with it.
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An I a mug for thinking the players could say they want no part in it, or are they too mercenary to care?
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I’ll send a tenner to the pot to help start it. Sooner they go the better. Closed shop with no relegation. Playing same teams for the next 20 years. People will soon get bored with the monotony of it I think.
And all of sudden with less money coming in the rest of the premier league has to spend less making everything tighten up between leagues and all of a sudden we have a more competitive league structure, more open to different winners and better to watch.

I’ve been longing for it to start for years then the big six will all sod off!

Trouble is I don’t think it will happen. :( The others will just pacify them somehow then they don’t stop the money train.
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“The American dream”. A US attempt to create something similar to the NFL, NBA etc. Perez (Chairman of debt ridden Madrid who need the money), Kronke, Glazer and Henry are the brains behind this. Bankrolled in more debt by JP Morgan Chase, it’s a disaster waiting to happen. A dark day for football, if you think this helps us out it will only reduced the pennies we get from TV money already. I doubt this will get off the ground.
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Say what you like about him but Gary Neville has got this one right:

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https://streamable.com/7wyh8a
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Hardly a Super League. Chelsea, Liverpool hardly setting league alight and jokers Spurs and Arsenal in 7th and 9th! Juve 4th, and no French or German clubs!
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Say what you like about him but Gary Neville has got this one right:

https://streamable.com/n3zqnz

https://streamable.com/7wyh8a


Aye well said Gary lad.
Utter greed of the highest order.
Mind you the 'armchairs' and 'Glory Hunters' will lap it up like its their last meal, and there's the problem. Not the genuine life long Man U fan but the bloody hangers on, and the 'I support A Big Club' brigade, people that probably live hundreds of miles from Manchester or Liverpool, and have never had anything to do with those City's apart from throwing money at their clubs, because 'They're Big and win things'.
Let them bugger off, and hopefully the whole thing goes flat on its arse.
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I've said it for years that the only thing that interests them is money. I'd let them go and relegate them to The Conference if they ever wanted to come back.
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I've said it for years that the only thing that interests them is money. I'd let them go and relegate them to The Conference if they ever wanted to come back.


Conference? What's the bottom of the pyramid, that's where they should go
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Great idea. Oh wait a minute, they're going to need players. I forsee selective breeding farms instead of jumpers for goalposts.
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Neville is bang on-I don’t agree with his politics but he’s bang on with his views on this.Pure greed by foreign owners as usual-they simply don’t understand the appeal of the pyramid.

I would take the opportunity to introduce wage caps and something more akin to the Rugby Premiership-remind them why football is supposed to be competitive
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I see a sinister agenda in this.

They make a proposal that they know will be rejected and condemned, just to test the water. Then come back with a watered down version which seems 'reasonable', which will involve an even bigger financial cut than they already received.

To Armo. Point taken, you're right, relegate them to the lowest leagues.
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Neville is bang on-I don’t agree with his politics but he’s bang on with his views on this.Pure greed by foreign owners as usual-they simply don’t understand the appeal of the pyramid.

I would take the opportunity to introduce wage caps and something more akin to the Rugby Premiership-remind them why football is supposed to be competitive


Very socialist ideas you seen the light Laffy
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It’s an absolute farce the whole thing.

I can’t see how it goes ahead, looks like it’s a play to force UEFA’s hand in reviewing the champions league format.

I really hope FIFA, UEFA, FA etc stick to their guns and fully ban clubs / players from competing in their respective leagues if they take part in this.

The cheek of Spurs and Arsenal especially by the way..
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I’m very surprised Celtic aren’t involved
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This will never happen. It is timed to put pressure on Uefa to make the champions league even more elitist than it already is just before they meet this week.
If by any small chance it does happen, even a watered down version the teams involved should be banished to Dubai or wherever, never to return anywhere but the bottom rungs of whichever countries leagues they crawled out from. The only upside would be that we may get a proper European Cup back! No chance I know, but I can dream.
No-one wants this apart from the already far too rich foreign owners, and it just proves to everyone what greedy, selfish, arrogant *******s they are.
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I would expel the six English clubs from all domestic league and cup competitions and expunge their results this season with immediate effect.

UEFA should also expel them from all current European competitions - and withhold all prize and sponsorship / tv money.

If they want to go it alone, fine - f_ck them.
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Personally I`d let `em go and form their European League, these clubs will always use this threat of breakaway to wheedle more money, finance, power, prawn sandwiches etc, it`ll be never ending. It would have an effect on the football league, but in time it would recover, wish `em well, shake their hand, thank them for their contribution to English football, say cheerio and if they ever wish to come back they`d be welcome, but they`ll be kicking off in Tier 11 Regional Feeder Leagues.
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It’s a sad sign of the society we now live in, the creed of greed originally fostered by one Margaret Thatcher.
The rest of football and the fans need to grow some and stand up to these greed merchants.
They are willing to destroy the game and would quite happily see all other clubs go to the wall, as said above if they attempt it they should be kicked out of everything at all levels and the players banned from international football.
See how they get on without anyone supporting them or players risking being banned from everything.
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Surely the involvement or not of Sky and other broadcasters will have a big impact on how feasible the project is anyway. If Sky don't support it, can it go ahead just with money from Asian broadcasters? Games are to be played midweek but does that mean evening or lunchtime to coincide with peak viewing time in China? Is the Chinese state involved in funding this attack on Western culture? Expelling our top clubs from domestic leagues would be a major coup for China. Maybe Russia are involved as well with a designated Russian team to join the group. The strong response from Boris and Macron suggests that they had some early warning and this goes beyond mere football.

Where is Sepp Blatter when you need him to sort this mess out? :-D
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Fans should start a campaign and stop paying to watch TV games involving any of the so called big 6.
The break away Man Utd fans who formed a new club saw this coming years ago.
Sadly the one who have helped foster this are the so called fans who have no physical connection to the clubs. The ones who wear their colours and go to the pub or sit at home watching they are guilty of helping foster what is happening at the expense of their own local teams.
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I totally agree Pacirv-fans should unite and simply watch other teams.

It does feel like a softener, a pre cursor to them wanting more money out of the current structure but I’m not so sure

When I was at Motherwell, we all resigned from the SPL to leave Celtic and Rangers ‘playing with themselves’ It soon brought them to the table to agree a fairer deal on tv money and voting rights
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Finally, a subject that unites everyone on here.

I’d be delighted if these self-styled “elite” clubs went and formed their own restricted European League. And those competing teams must be excluded from all their own national competitions. There should be no concessions.
I’d never watch any of the matches.

I’d say Good Riddance if it happened – though I very much doubt it will.
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We’re probably all in agreement that fans should unite and not invest any time or money into this super league. Sadly these fans aren't us. Most of us would rather watch Carlisle play on a Tuesday night than watch the CL anyways.

It’s the fair weather glory supporter who won’t see the problems and will increase their monthly sky bill to watch Liverpool play Barcelona, AC Milan, Chelsea and Bayern all in the same month.
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Big red herring, it's happened before and got nowhere.

Sadly all about dosh, in this instance they have judged the people's mood very badly and have done damage.

But hey, the FA sold it's soul to Sky and thought they were beyond reproach. Sod the smaller clubs and lower leagues.

The Premier league now has foreign club owners, and a team of foreign players, all chasing one goal, the Champions League dosh.

Now they want more of it.
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Could the fall out be a good thing for the likes of Carlisle?
There are lot of plastic Man U and Liverpool fans that are lost to it and aren't proper football supporters anyhow but this whole charade might encourage younger people back to their local club.
Those middle aged Liverpool supporting folk that have barely set foot in the place, will suddenly seem exposed as the [censored] we already knew they were.
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Time to stand firm on this. There’s talk of some concessions to stop this happening but to hell with that. It’s time for the stick, not the carrot.
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Could the fall out be a good thing for the likes of Carlisle?
There are lot of plastic Man U and Liverpool fans that are lost to it and aren't proper football supporters anyhow but this whole charade might encourage younger people back to their local club.
Those middle aged Liverpool supporting folk that have barely set foot in the place, will suddenly seem exposed as the [censored] we already knew they were.

It's those plastics who think it's a good idea, I know some won't, but many will pay for their ESL TV subscriptions. We'd have to hand out team sheets just so they could learn the players names, possibly tell them that were the team in Blue as well.
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Time to stand firm on this. There’s talk of some concessions to stop this happening but to hell with that. It’s time for the stick, not the carrot.


I can't see fans having any influence on this at all. Apparently, we are Legacy fans, the ones who actually go to the games and give a stuff. Not needed in the modern game because at the big 6 level fans are nothing more than a sideline. The money comes in through corporate deals and tv rights. The modern fan, they say, sits at home or at the pub, on his phone using the betting app.
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Sorry to disagree Bumble, but the football in the lockdown has shown fans are needed at games more than ever. Totally souless without fans.
You are right about the money element, but football without atmosphere will eventually have no appeal to the TV companies, and hence the money tree will die out.
Have waited 16 years for Leeds to get back in the Prem, but big part of it missing without fans.
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Yeah - agree with Bumble.

The time to protest was years ago, the times past and for the big teams supporters aren’t necessarily needed, for attending matches as the majority of money comes from elsewhere.

The average Jo will still watch these matches even if they take place on the moon and have a drink and a bet.

It’s just sad really that tradition goes out the window for a quick buck. But that’s society in general trying to get the next £ or make more. With foreign owners, they aren’t bothered about tradition, sporting integrity or competition they just need more money.
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It's not even about british armchair fans, more about ones in china / south-east asia where half the world lives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeriepieris_circle) - you know "my name is Kiang Thuttersirwaya, I love Liverpool Reds for 5 years! Hope they beat Tottenham Vikings soon! Come on both teams!" It'll be kickoffs to suit a timezone 8 hours away etc, proper matches played over there mid-season where now we have the pre-season / christmas break tours. Give it 5 years and one of the clubs will relocate to Kuala Lumpur or something.
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Everybody should calm doon It'll never happen!
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Real Bets quick off the mark;

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Digital Wilson also quick to the game - officil Leeds fixture list;

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Everybody should calm doon It'll never happen!


I think it will.

Damage is done now anyway by the clubs releasing their statements last night. They don’t care
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That’s why my Celtic comment wasn’t a joke it’s all US money Celtic have a massive following in North America (as most of them think the have Irish blood in them) you could see a game between Juventus and Celtic taking place in New York or Boston
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Sorry to disagree Bumble, but the football in the lockdown has shown fans are needed at games more than ever. Totally souless without fans.
You are right about the money element, but football without atmosphere will eventually have no appeal to the TV companies, and hence the money tree will die out.
Have waited 16 years for Leeds to get back in the Prem, but big part of it missing without fans.

This isn't about soul or atmosphere, the big six will be given enough money by JP Morgan Chase not to need fans. Games will not be played in this country, they will be played across the world to thousands of glory hunters.
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AB - where do you think the money comes from? JP Morgan are not donating the money. It is an investment. The money will be coming (indirectly) from media companies.
Football without fans is a non TV event.
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