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Just been having a good look around Twitter at retained lists and the like, when I noticed this.

His agent has tweeted this morning that he’s joining a L2 Club today, quoting a well known NE Football Journalist.

https://twitter.com/bdsportsuk/status/1128561475562291200?s=21

The player now follows CUFC on his Twitter.

Said journo has since tweeted this:
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Crikey, if ever there was an illustration that Piglet is just a wum it's right here. To argue that dropping Mellish might mean other players might score more cannot be anything other than a wind-up.

Could have, would have, should have, might have, as much of a fairytale as Peter Pan. the top and bottom of it Mellish HAS. It's that simple and my last word on it. Pointless discussing anything with someone who talks rubbish just to get an audience.
  1. 08-04-2021 18:26
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To take the thread back to its title.

I've got to say I am really impressed with Mellish.

He isn't a cultured footballer but quite honestly that doesn't matter at all, particularly at our level. Far more important is that he's effective, he gets into the right places again and again and again and it pays off for him. 15 goals from midfield in a normal season proves his worth, even if you don't like his style, you can't argue against that worth.

The thing I like most about him is he drags every last drop of talent and energy he has out of himself every match. After the layoff, for a few games, the energy wasn't totally there. I remember one game in particular when he had a run on goal. It didn't come off and for a few seconds, he stood hands on knees panting, trying to drag breath up his body and into his lungs. I know that feeling I'm asthmatic, I've been there. Jon continued and ran and ran until the end of the match. He wasn't at his best but he was at the best he could possibly make himself be. Probably he needed a few games to get his match fitness back, on Tuesday the pace and power dials were reading full again and Scunthorpe just didn't have his levels of commitment.

Personally, I'm proud to see him in a Carlisle United shirt.
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I heard we are intent on a marquee signing.
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Three league games on and it's way too early to say anybody's proving anything.

I think it's fantastic he's returned three goals in as many games, but there have been worrying periods also in those games where he's been chasing shadows and has looked out of his depth.

Can you forgive general ineptitude from a midfielder if he's bagging you a goal every game? The answer to this is probably "yes". However, if you're the rest of the division analysing our performance then you stick a man on Mellish to prevent him from having any space in the box and he's completely nullified.

There's the energy, the "tackling" and a bag load of pointless running, but replaced by a more intelligent midfielder we'd look like a better football team and less fluster and bluster.

I'd like to see a midfield three of Furman, Guy & Riley. Yes we might lose Mellish's goal, but we might gain some more watchable football and more goals from our front three.

Who was making blocks in the 80+ minute yesterday? Mellish. Who caused chaos in their defensive line for Alessandras cross to go in? Mellish Who scored a first time finish with his weaker foot to score 5 in 3 games? Mellish. Who bullied Harry Pell one of the most effective midfielders in the league and almost got him sent off? Mellish

He’ll have good days and bad days but if you can’t appreciate when he doesn’t score you don’t deserve him when he does. Nobody agrees with you on this so leave your agenda and concertante on the fact they beat us 3-0 home and away last season, look where we are now. How many bottlers, mercenaries and overpaid nobody’s have we had in recent years? For once we’ve got an honest hard working lad from the north east whose desperate to do well for the football club. He’s not devitt or Joyce or Kennedy, he Jon Mellish and he’s going places.
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Below is a post copied from what I assume is his mother's Twitter page during a conversation with a fan........
Looks like the lads been having a hard time of it. Maybe the reason he didn't celebrate.

We wouldn't even be anywhere near the play-offs without his goals this season. He deserves our support, not to be destroyed.

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"He never makes any excuses , he takes it on the chin but my god have I been worried about him , good job he’s got support around him , one day there’s going to be a lad who hasn’t got the family support and I wouldn’t like to think what might happen !"


There’s some very cowardly people who post on here and on social media in general it goes beyond criticism and into bullying I hope this post off Johns mother hits home and one or two just have a quiet look in the mirror !!!!
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Jon Mellish at 23 in only his second season of league football, in a position he has not played up until this season is our highest scoring midfielder in the last 27 years. Think about all the great attacking midfielders we’ve had in that time, but none of them have done it. What he lacks in technical ability which is improving which some fail to recognise he makes up in bravery and commitment to the cause. He’s out scored the majority of strikers we’ve had in recent years. Without Mellish we would be nowhere near the playoffs.
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Musher.... Listen too Ian evatts post match analysis after barrow game yesterday. He said modern footballers should be able to slot in anywhere if asked to play there. They're professional footballers and not just a CB. It is easy enough to make the transition playing along back line from cb to lb, as alluded to my previous post though this lad isn't and wont and as said looks like a fish out of water. That's all their is too it. You can tell within 4/5 games if someone's gonna be half decent or not if you know the game and this lad isn't. He's got absolutely nothing about him at all to suggest that he's going to improve. Shame but it's a fact.


Mellish played 47 times for Gateshead last season and was voted 'Best Young Player’ in the National League.

He can't be as bad as you make out!
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I really don't get this, 'lets have an absolute pop at somebody..... anybody, ah well it might as well be Mellish'
This is a young lad hasn't played league football before hes been thrown into a position which by all accounts isn't his natural one, and is suddenly expected (in some peoples weird expectations) to be some kind of world beater overnight.
Personally I didn't think he played that badly against Crawley, and he wasn't completely like a fish out of water in any of the friendly's.
It just seems to me that some people on here are absolutely desperate to have a go at somebody. For Christ sake give the lad a chance, try giving a bit of encouragement, sometimes it can work wonders..............honestly!!!!
He just needs a bit of time and patience, something some people round here seem in very short supply of.
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Below is a post copied from what I assume is his mother's Twitter page during a conversation with a fan........
Looks like the lads been having a hard time of it. Maybe the reason he didn't celebrate.

We wouldn't even be anywhere near the play-offs without his goals this season. He deserves our support, not to be destroyed.

Twitter post -
"He never makes any excuses , he takes it on the chin but my god have I been worried about him , good job he’s got support around him , one day there’s going to be a lad who hasn’t got the family support and I wouldn’t like to think what might happen !"
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I don’t think any will pitch up here.
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I've only seen him play once, but already I am starting to feel sorry for the lad.
Voted one of the best players in the Conference last season at centre half, and comes here and gets fired into left-back/left-wing.
Fans already starting to have digs at him on here and Twitter, and by all accounts struggled out left again today.
I hope our manager's 'tactics' of playing him on the left doesn't ruin the lad before he even gets a go at his best position.
He could be a great prospect for us as long as we don't shatter his confidence.
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Writing players off after a couple of games and playing out of position in a completely new back Four,give the lad a chance he's a central player filling a gap till Iredale is fully fit

Folk were saying the same last season about a full back who turned out ok
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As I just said, Mellish started as a LB. He’s clearly grown a bit, so the natural move is inside to CB.

Iredale had a knock late pre-Season, so Mellish has covered. Likely Iredale will be up to speed now, so will slot back in at LB.

As said, Mellish is young, he’s said himself if he plays 15 games he’ll be chuffed. How about we get behind him instead of writing him off after two games?
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But everybody HAS to give the lad a chance, it hasn't worked for him in his first few games as a midfielder, until yesterday...............so what? Beech has obviously seen him a lot more in training than any of us have, so he obviously sees something in the lad, and maybe, just maybe that performance yesterday is what he sees in him.
Reminds me a lot of the Paul Conway situation all those years ago, people could not wait to get on his back, he was even booed before he came on as a sub against Scunny, only to score two goals after he came on, from that day onwards he never looked back.
Give the lad a bloody chance!!!!!
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Unfortunately I-follow viewing doesn’t allow viewers to see what some of the players do off the ball only what they do on it.

John Mellish works really hard off the ball allowing others more time on it and doesn’t get any credit. This team is so young yet nobody cuts them any slack.

Yes they were poor for 12 games but the boys had literally not trained for 2 months so were playing catch up trying to get up to speed with the other teams who were un-affected.

You go through the team player for player we are in such a great position with some terrific prospects coming through, John being one of them.

Some people need to give their head a wobble and start encouraging the lads instead of constantly draining their confidence. Do we honestly think the lads want to be playing League 2?
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The whole point of player ratings is you're giving marks for a single game, in isolation.

I'm not sure why that's so difficult a concept for the happy clappers to understand.

The marks for the season overall would be different, obviously.

Maybe that's why the toys come out of the pram every week, some of the simpler folk knocking around here aren't capable of viewing a match objectively without bias and prejudice clouding their judgement.


I think what I, as a happy clapper, find so hard to understand is why someone who claims to be a Carlisle United fan would not be wearing blue coloured glasses!
I see quite a lot of matches each season, the way I watch and see those matches where I have no allegiance is totally different to how I watch MY team. If it wasn't Carlisle United wouldn't be my team.

Your player ratings seem to be designed simply to get a rise from those folk daft enough to read them. I really don't understand the joy wind up merchants get from posting nonsense.
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Why isn't he Scottish?
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Are other L1 clubs only offering one year deals like us?


I love the way that Pressley and Holdsworth phrase things like we are looking for 'hungry' players wanting an opportunity - more like their clubs are on their arses so they are quite literally starving because they might not have been getting paid, the word 'desperate' is more applicable so these poor sods will probably have been happy with a three month deal.

Hardly like we have just signed Nicky Maynard.


Oh give over Munchy, any player is a gamble no matter what.
If we did sign Maynard on a three year deal then in pre season he had an injury similar to JKs then we would be left having to pay him whopping wages.
Lets just see what happens eh, at least give the poor bloke a chance.
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Asked if he was after a marquee signing Pressley said "we cannae pay"
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Apart from all his hard work Jon Mellish has something very few footballers have at this level,
that is to find and create space especially in the penalty area and then more importantly get on the end
of the chances created.
A box to box player like Mellish who if he continues to improve will not be with us for long.
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Last night Mellish became our highest scoring midfielder in 27 years and still 8 games left,imagine how many more he would have had if he was any good.
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Jon Mellish will be off for big money in the summer. I’ve heard Juventus have been watching him and Rod McDonald.
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The lad after being converted into a midfielder is what say 10 games into his new role?
Covers every blade of grass gets into goalscoring positions and is already finding the net regularly
Beech has signed a raft of young players to develop but as usual the knobheads demand instant results and crucify some players before they have a fair chance
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He might have been a pain in the arse but at least you got a bit of excitement and a few goals from McKirdy.
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Joking aside about the B Robson comparison, I think newcarlislefan has proven himself to be a very shrewd judge in his analysis. It seems the game is changing from some of the tedious fannying on we have seen over recent times, to a more substance over style approach and I think most of us will be earing humble pie about Mellish. Well done that man.
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JM didn't celebrate much last night... Probably reads all the crap posted on here - generally from those who can't kick a ball straight, or think they know more than Pep...
Chin up, lad... Double figures + for goals - excellent for the position he plays in and he's still learning the game.
Driven, gives a sh*t and gives far more to the first team than most.
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I hope he enjoyed the goals more than he showed. It will have been hard for him more than most in the squad, he was flying before the covid/weather disruption. Hopefully now that he's getting back to full fitness along with the rest of the squad he can start enjoying his football and have a smile on his face when he scores against the lancastrians on Saturday.
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I only give as good as I get.

If you're civilised and polite in your discussion with me then that's what you'll get in return.

It's like a mirror for folk, they like getting riled up and coming on here to dish out insults. In my case, I'm not just going to sit back and take it all the time. Eventually, I'll respond in kind and the bullies never like that - but you have to stand up to them.

We clearly disagree about Mellish AB, but that's fine. I respect the fact you didn't resort to the bullying until your final post. It's a shame you couldn't have retained your dignity, but hey ho.

Your as much as a bully towards others as others are to you so don’t try playing the victim card. If you are feeling bullied either highlight it to the mods or leave if someone disagreeing with your opinion upsets you. And no you do result to petty insults when having a football discussion, you are not polite and respect goes two ways.
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The EFL won’t admit it but the Papa Johns isn’t a recognised first team competition. The Premier League sides wouldn’t agree that a sending off could be possibly carried into a competitive game (however unlikely that is given the teams they put out) resulting in the separate disciplinary system.

Any inclusion of reserve teams makes it impossible to be regarded as a proper competition anyway in my eyes.
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We are very obviously in need of a couple of big signings in the striking/attacking department.
I don't think any of us are daft enough to expect a world beater.
We seem to have a freed up enough of the wage bill to allow us to do this
The vast majority of Curle's team has gone now and I doubt some of the loanees we had last year were cheap
Promising signs with transfers so far, but much more to come I would think
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Pressley has been canvassing Holdsworth & Clibbens for the funds.
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If he’s a big lad then I hope we’ve got a big top for him...
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I wouldn't write Mellish off just yet, it's a big step up in standard from the Conference to Division Four and he's just a young lad.

Yes he had a mare today, but it's a learning curve really and it will probably take him a few months to properly settle in and find his form.

It's unrealistic to expect a player with no experience as high as this level to hit the ground and be exceptional from day one playing at a higher standard, in a new team.

I'd give Iredale a pop after today at left-back and give Mellish a chance to feel his way back into the side from the bench.
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I don’t get this having a go at Mellish.
I only saw him for the first time yesterday but quite simply he was hung out to dry by his midfield.
Elliott has a more torrid time against his winger in the first half but no comment on here.
Mellish was targeted by their very fast and tricky winger on the right in the second half. Their manager probably saw what was obvious that Mellish got limited support from Bridge and none at all from McKirdy.
Mellish looks like he could lose a couple of pounds but in the circumstances did ok yesterday.
We had a LOT worse on the pitch.
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Musher.... Listen too Ian evatts post match analysis after barrow game yesterday. He said modern footballers should be able to slot in anywhere if asked to play there. They're professional footballers and not just a CB. It is easy enough to make the transition playing along back line from cb to lb, as alluded to my previous post though this lad isn't and wont and as said looks like a fish out of water. That's all their is too it. You can tell within 4/5 games if someone's gonna be half decent or not if you know the game and this lad isn't. He's got absolutely nothing about him at all to suggest that he's going to improve. Shame but it's a fact.


I have to disagree with this Daz lad, I feel I know the game enough to give an opinion (just an opinion mind,I have been wrong a few times!), and I don’t believe it to be fact he is not upto it.

Had a great season for Gateshead last year,it’s a step up this year,I do think he needs taken out the firing line,but I do feel he will come good if used and nurtured correctly.
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Musher.... Listen too Ian evatts post match analysis after barrow game yesterday. He said modern footballers should be able to slot in anywhere if asked to play there. They're professional footballers and not just a CB. It is easy enough to make the transition playing along back line from cb to lb, as alluded to my previous post though this lad isn't and wont and as said looks like a fish out of water. That's all their is too it. You can tell within 4/5 games if someone's gonna be half decent or not if you know the game and this lad isn't. He's got absolutely nothing about him at all to suggest that he's going to improve. Shame but it's a fact.



Well maybe that's why Evattt's managing in the Conference then, with football knowledge and an outlook like that.
Players adapting seamlessly from their natural position to another is an exception, not the norm.
How would Virgil Van Dyke or Vincent Kompany or Harry Maguire cope with being shoved out on to left-back/wing??
Not very well I'd think.
They'd probably struggle just much as Mellish is struggling.

And look what happened when Devitt was moved out of his best position last season- He was sh1t.
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Was interested to hear Chris Beech's mention of Bryan Robson when talking about Mellish yesterday.
Clearly, Robson was a different class of footballer but it struck a chord.
Someone who can get about the pitch, get in opposition players faces, arrive late in the box and score and a player who can lift others.
I know he's been much criticised. He is rash and he has made mistakes and his passing, in particular, needs improvement.
But I wonder if he's given time to learn the role and Beech and Skelton can coach him week after week on his positional play and decision making then maybe there's a diamond in the rough there?
I know I'm in the minority on here but I find there's something really engaging about watching him play and I find myself really rooting for him.
I know he got dogs abuse after the Scunthorpe game but the last 2 matches you could make a case for him being one of our better players.
Coming back to Robson, his passing was arguably the weakest part of his game. The drive, desire, and work rate put him above other players on the pitch and Mellish does get into the box just as well.
Who knows? Maybe Piglet is right and it'll never work for him in MF and maybe covering every blade of grass isn't enough.
But I think there are signs, that despite improvements still being needed and despite all of the criticism that Mellish could make a real go of it.
Let's hope so.
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Lol 1 goal and being compared to Robson.

Did you watch the first 5 games? Hes had a very poor start to the season and needs to go back to his original position.
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Watching Thirlwell every week was bad enough....then some harped on about the mythical "unseen work"


The same Thirlwell who ticked us over when we were mid-Table in L1?


Thirlwell and Berrett were Abbott’s favourites for some inexplicable reason. Painful to watch them pair.
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I can’t see any similarities at all he was a natural goal scorer I thought he was best at West Ham he was good for us but getting on a bit linked up well with young Peter Beardsley
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I wonder whether the guy read some of the vitriol written on here and decided to go for it.Its great to see him scoring for fun and proving many wrong
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Piglet you really know absolutely nothing about football do you. Go and support another team
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Well said. He was flying before Covid and has probably been affected more than we all realise.

Every successful team needs a John Mellish type player in it.

No co-incidence that results have improved as he has regained full fitness!
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I get really irritated by players that don’t give a damn about the club they work for, I don’t believe that Mellish has ever fallen into this category.
Good luck to the lad
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It can be awkward to say the least watching Mellish in midfield at times but, goals apart, he does good things and no one can doubt his athleticism.
As for goals, well they change games. 15 is remarkable and comparable (in unusual scoring) CUFC terms only to Ian Harte’s fantastic year, but he took set pieces and think pens too...
He does need to work on his touch but mainly to do the simple things more. He can do these and does. Takes up great positions on left mainly. Can cross, pass, can tackle, got attitude...
Just needs to concentrate on.. nowt complicated.Win the ball. Give and and go, the easy pass etc rather than trying too much. Then into box...
No one can deny that the goals tally is remarkable, more so given his and the team’s terrible run.
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These type of responses pretty much demonstrate I've just won the argument.

Thanks chaps.


If you think you've won then your more deluded than ever.
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I think people get too hung up on having to put a label on Jon Mellish. He’s got to be either a world beater or absolutely useless there doesn’t seem any happy medium. A bit of a marmite player.

I don’t think he’s ever going to be a top player and he has his limitations but you can’t say he isn’t pretty effective at league two level. He’ll have good and bad games like most players but he certainly does a job and we’ve had a lot lot worse play regularly.

I’d have him over the likes of James Berrett and Paul Thirlwell any day and how many games did they play.
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This'll be controversial but...here goes!

As midfielders who are under rated, hated, slagged off but were ever presents just about, in a successful team....I give you Penrith's finest, Richard Prokas. Did what he was asked to do, an almost ever present in one of my favourite blues teams. Wadsworth clearly rated him, yet many have nothing good to say about him?
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