Carlisle United's Moral Compass - Are you happy with the direction its pointing?

markredfox73 wrote: We saw that moral compass come off well over 3 years ago when they tried to discredit Claire Winder as she was trying to make a difference to bridging the gap between them and us....but they showed their colours then .....then they let that idiot vice president make offensive remarks about Hillborough and happily sweep it under the table along with pissing more and more fans off with the lies about the billionaire and shafting Laffy in the process

Oakley wrote: 1. David Holdsworth - everything about him oozes shark, conman, sleaze, arrogance
2. Treatment of senior players such as Devitt, Collin, Parkes
3. Loss of Danny Grainger - I still believe if CUFC really wanted him involved he would have been
4. Departure of Paul Murray etc in todays perss and how that was handled
5. The treatment and what has been said about Curle
6. Other coaching staff turmoil

Taffy-P wrote: I’m reasonably happy the way the club is run We could be Bury

Mullen103 wrote:

Taffy-P wrote: I’m reasonably happy the way the club is run We could be Bury

Or we could be one of the other 9 sides that finished above us in the league and quite a few league 1 sides that we’re much bigger than.

You’re entitled to your opinion but ask yourself, are you happy with finishing 11th in tier 4? And being in this league for 6 years!

nobbyblue wrote: I was talking to one of the parents of the youth lads the other day and he said that Darren Edmondson was just sacked. Not for any particular reason and without warning.

Laffy wrote: I’m not disagreeing with the change to be honest-the Club was burning cash and it couldn’t go on.But it’s not just about cutting costs-it’s also about increasing turnover.Where is the commercial guy, the local guy like Dick Young, who has a black book of all corporates and sponsors?

But most of all, where are we going?The Custodians/trustees-whatever they call themselves.What is the medium term vision for the Club?That is in their gift.Without a vision, you end up in the chaos and confusion of short term actions, dismantling the fan base as you go along.

I like NC but he is not leading-clearly not selected for that role.Who is it and what’s the vision?

seesaw50 wrote:

Laffy wrote: I’m not disagreeing with the change to be honest-the Club was burning cash and it couldn’t go on.But it’s not just about cutting costs-it’s also about increasing turnover.Where is the commercial guy, the local guy like Dick Young, who has a black book of all corporates and sponsors?

But most of all, where are we going?The Custodians/trustees-whatever they call themselves.What is the medium term vision for the Club?That is in their gift.Without a vision, you end up in the chaos and confusion of short term actions, dismantling the fan base as you go along.

I like NC but he is not leading-clearly not selected for that role.Who is it and what’s the vision?

Clibbens is merely the accountant..any other roles he had have been usurped by DH
AJ, Nixon and God forbid, Pattison are now figureheads
The Trust are well, The Trust
No Holdsworth would appear to be the Company man working for EWM on all fronts

MerseysideBlue wrote: While I'd agree that there are many things about the club that are frustrating and not that well run right now, I'm not sure I really buy this "moral compass" nonsense, particularly on the six points raised. You're suggesting that things like this have never never happened before or are out of the ordinary - they've been happening at this club and other clubs for years, nay, decades.

Take the points listed:

1. David Holdsworth - everything about him oozes shark, conman, sleaze, arrogance

Not doubting the man comes across as a bit of a smary arse and dresses like a weirdo, but then so did Keith Curle at times.

2. Treatment of senior players such as Devitt, Collin, Parkes

The contract offers were shite but pretty much every player is being treated the same. No-one is being treated exceptionally - we're taking a big risk and cutting our cloth accordingly.

3. Loss of Danny Grainger - I still believe if CUFC really wanted him involved he would have been

Only Danny really knows the truth on that but the impression I have got is he was happy with his decision and knew that he was struggling to keep himself fit for long periods as each season went by. We could maybe have found him a role but I'd rather it wasn't done out of sentiment - I hope he goes away and does a good job at Reds and potentially becomes our manager in the future.

4. Departure of Paul Murray etc in todays press and how that was handled

What could they have done differently? Murray doesn't seem particularly bitter about it - he's accepted that is the way things work sometimes. Coaches come and go. Pressley maybe came to the conclusion towards the end of the season that he wanted to go down a different direction - he told him not too long after the season ended which is fair enough for me.

5. The treatment and what has been said about Curle

I have to admit that Holdsworth droning on about this is starting to bore the arse off me and it'll be great once all that squad is cleared out and he's out of using that as an excuse...

BUT - let's be fair here, Curle has plenty of times in the past talked about how he had to deal with the problems of the previous managers/squads etc and used it as an excuse for a long time. And as for how he was treated at the end - he failed in his main task of getting us out of the division despite a generous budget - do you think he didn't tout himself to other clubs at any time while with us?

6. Other coaching staff turmoil

Bar sorting out the Academy Manager, seems like it's mostly sorted now. Skelton has the potential to be a future manager and is clearly well thought of. It seems obvious to me that there was a good reason for getting rid of Edmondson which we may or may not find out in the future.


Edit to add - the idea that this summer is something out of the extraordinary is a bit OTT in my opinion - people could do well to remember back to the summers of 2001 and 2002 and what an absolute [censored] shambles of a club we were back then, illegally sacking players amongst other things.