Fans Forum - Thurs 1st Aug

Who's going and what question will you ask

I've got two tickets if anyone wants them, I'm not in the country

I’m going with a mate, I suppose one of the questions has to be about the risk of going into the season with loanee strikers like last season and why there is a Jan recall option on the guy we’ve just signed after Holdsworth said we wouldn’t go down that route this season with loanees.

Holdsworth forum bingo

Location
Keith Curle
Can’t compete
Bury
Not panicking

Mullen103 wrote: Holdsworth forum bingo

Location
Keith Curle
Can’t compete
Bury
Not panicking

If he`s concerns about location he should maybe contact Ross County or Inverness CT to see how they attract players.

pacirv wrote: I’m going with a mate, I suppose one of the questions has to be about the risk of going into the season with loanee strikers like last season and why there is a Jan recall option on the guy we’ve just signed after Holdsworth said we wouldn’t go down that route this season with loanees.

*striker, not strikers

Remember, we only have one of them 4 days before the start of the season.

Yorkie Blue wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: Holdsworth forum bingo

Location
Keith Curle
Can’t compete
Bury
Not panicking

If he`s concerns about location he should maybe contact Ross County or Inverness CT to see how they attract players.

Carlisle's always been in the same place and we've managed OK in the past.

If Pressley was so keen on Olomola and wanted him for a year but Scunthorpe says there must be a recall clause what does he do ?..."SAY SOD YOU".
If he really rates him he`s done the right thing and hope he doesn`t get recalled.

As regards location Carlisle will always be a problem if a player rates himself and is being offered basic wages and a 1 year contract.

Very true Sir Jimmy striker. I was thinking ahead as Elvis has talked about his strike force being loanees and you kind of hope that there will be more in before the end of the season. Lol

If anyone here is going would appreciate if you could put forward this question from me.

Question: The club say they want to engage with the fans. Fans recently asked a question about why someone didn't receive an email reply from the supporters group. In the CUSG July minutes (which are posted on the club website) they refer to the email issue as being "exaggerated". This is not a fair summary of the issue, because it implies that the question was unreasonable. CUOSC's role is to represent fans and give them a voice, so when it appeared they were not replying to a fan asking a question, it was certainly reasonable to ask what was going on. Can you state whether you agree or disagree with how the supporters group have summarised this issue in their minutes?

Kessler wrote: If anyone here is going would appreciate if you could put forward this question from me.

Question: The club say they want to engage with the fans. Fans recently asked a question about why someone didn't receive an email reply from the supporters group. In the CUSG July minutes (which are posted on the club website) they refer to the email issue as being "exaggerated". This is not a fair summary of the issue, because it implies that the question was unreasonable. CUOSC's role is to represent fans and give them a voice, so when it appeared they were not replying to a fan asking a question, it was certainly reasonable to ask what was going on. Can you state whether you agree or disagree with how the supporters group have summarised this issue in their minutes?

I for one can barely contain myself waiting with anticipation of Pressley's answer to that question
Never mind squad size, targets, tactics, team building, formations, scouting, style of play etc,, lets get the burning issue of the day answered first!

Lancs blue wrote:

Kessler wrote: If anyone here is going would appreciate if you could put forward this question from me.

Question: The club say they want to engage with the fans. Fans recently asked a question about why someone didn't receive an email reply from the supporters group. In the CUSG July minutes (which are posted on the club website) they refer to the email issue as being "exaggerated". This is not a fair summary of the issue, because it implies that the question was unreasonable. CUOSC's role is to represent fans and give them a voice, so when it appeared they were not replying to a fan asking a question, it was certainly reasonable to ask what was going on. Can you state whether you agree or disagree with how the supporters group have summarised this issue in their minutes?

I for one can barely contain myself waiting with anticipation of Pressley's answer to that question
Never mind squad size, targets, tactics, team building, formations, scouting, style of play etc,, lets get the burning issue of the day answered first!

I'll be asking at the next CUSG meeting why they used the word exaggerated - What specifically do they think is "exaggerated" about fans engaging with them and asking questions. But I'm also interested in knowing does the club itself condone the way the Trust have behaved over this email issue.

Its a football forum with the senior football management present

Not the place for that question IMO

Lancs blue wrote: Its a football forum with the senior football management present

Not the place for that question IMO

I disagree, it's definitely a question Clibbens could be answering. The Trust are meant to be the ones holding the board answerable, giving us a voice. Yet out of Clibbens and the Trust, who has the better reputation of actually answering fans questions?

And I appreciate it's not exactly on the topic of the football itself, but when the supporters group seem to be suggesting people are wrong for daring to ask questions, that's quite a serious issue that should be addressed. Everyone complains about the state the club is in, but the only chance we have at changing that is to keep asking the difficult questions, and challenging them when they do something wrong.

CCU wrote: I take it you never emailed CUSG directly as suggested in the original Thread?

I might do that when Mullen has fixed their IT, but at the moment as they seem to keep having mysterious technical problems that prevent them sending email replies to fans, it's not a serious option.

I know this fans forum is more on the footballing side, but I think my question is relevant. Claiming that you want to engage with fans, but then saying those fans just "exaggerated" an issue when they asked a perfectly valid question is disgraceful. It shows an utter contempt and disdain for anyone who dares to ask them a question they don't like. If the club feels this way about fans, then nobody should be putting money into them. But so far, nobody at the club itself has commented on whether they agree or disagree with the Trust's behaviour. So I think it's reasonable to ask them, and their answer (or possibly their refusal to answer) should tell us all we need to know about what their true feelings towards the fans.

Mouldy wrote: Got to agree with the others here Kessler, not relevant in the slightest for this forum. Nigel goes to CUSG meets and is very forthcoming with answers - perhaps just ask it then.

Yeah I'll be submitting some questions on here for that, same format as last time I assume?

Mouldy wrote: Don’t think the coaching staff will give two hoots and it would be a shame to detract from what will be a good evening. I found Pressley very interesting to listen to last time, add that to some Holdsworth backtracking, curle bashing and bullsh** and it’ll be quite the night.

Fair point, it's not really a question I would expect them to answer as the coaching staff can't really speak on behalf of the club in the same way the chief executive could. But the club needs to give an answer, because by staying silent when a 25% shareholder in the club is treating fans like this, it's not right.

I am hoping there will be a forum (there has been other years) that is the admin side of the club. I tend to agree with the other posters. When there are mostly the football side of the club on board I don't think much time will be spent on your question, much better to leave it until there is an admin forum,or as suggested send an email to CUSG, which, as far as I know isn't having problems with emails?

It’s a football forum Kessler so even if the question was asked I’m not sure anyone would be able to answer.

I’ve always had the opinion that the football forums are exactly that about on the pitch issues, which is why I’ve never gone and should be left at that really. Leave these questions for the directors forum and Cusg.

On the IT trust issues, They did make contact and I mentioned I was busy for two weeks, which enables them to list exactly what they want. I haven’t pressured/chased up as that’s what was agreed. I’ll update Kessler as soon as I do/start anything.

Mullen103 wrote: It’s a football forum Kessler so even if the question was asked I’m not sure anyone would be able to answer.

I know it's not really an on topic question but I do think it is sort of relevant. I'm ok if it doesn't get priority, it's more of a general "if there is any time left could you answer this". I can ask it at the next CUSG meeting instead where the focus is more on things happening off the pitch.

Mullen103 wrote: On the IT trust issues, They did make contact and I mentioned I was busy for two weeks, which enables them to list exactly what they want. I haven’t pressured/chased up as that’s what was agreed. I’ll update Kessler as soon as I do/start anything.

When the admins post asking for questions for the next CUSG meeting could you let me know what/if any progress has been made by that stage, as some of my questions will need to be rewritten depending on what's happened.

Will do

Holdsworth irritates me so much. His actions are not that of a man telling the truth. Even the way he acts when he’s listening to a question, he gives it away.

Question asked:

Holdsworth:
“That’s a good question” or “What’s your name sorry?” or “Sorry can you speak up a bit please?”

Delaying tactics to give him that extra few seconds to come up with his answer.

All signs of a man not telling the truth.

Mullen103 wrote: Holdsworth forum bingo

Location
Keith Curle
Can’t compete
Bury
Not panicking

Have I got bingo yet?

crunchblue wrote: Question asked:

Holdsworth:
“That’s a good question” or “What’s your name sorry?” or “Sorry can you speak up a bit please?”

Delaying tactics to give him that extra few seconds to come up with his answer.

All signs of a man not telling the truth.

That's a bit concerning. If you need more time to answer a question or you're not sure, then that's fine but you be honest and say so. You don't make up silly excuses to stall for time. I don't expect Holdsworth to be perfect, but I do expect him to be honest.

Holdsworth = Snake oil salesman, chancer, gobshite, EWM lacky. Anyone else care to add their own?

You know my views Wukkie. The man's a fraud,cudnt run a piss up in a brewery

I watched it, they all seemed to speak well. Holdsworth waffled a bit at the beginning to a disrespectful questioner. Maybe you should get up and talk to his face. Disliking someone because they come from south of Penrith or they're a Jock just demonstrates your ignorance and narrow minded attitude. You're going to need your fellow English soon the way things are going. Nobody else will want you unless you can carry a gun for Uncle Sam's wars. Looks like a few players will be southerners this year.

I found it concerning that were now in the bottom 6, in the league, in terms of budget. If that’s true I don’t think our budget has remained the same and has dropped considerably.

We can’t be in the bottom 6 now and have the same budget as last season as other clubs haven’t suddenly overtaken us, so I’d say one of those statements is wrong.

We can discuss the wrongs of having a bottom 6 tier 4 budget all day long and it’s depressing considering where we once were, however that’s what it is and therefore the recruitments been ok on that budget.

Whether the bottom 6 statement was said to quel any critism of poor performances in the coming weeks, who knows.

biblioclasm wrote: I watched it, they all seemed to speak well. Holdsworth waffled a bit at the beginning to a disrespectful questioner. Maybe you should get up and talk to his face. Disliking someone because they come from south of Penrith or they're a Jock just demonstrates your ignorance and narrow minded attitude. You're going to need your fellow English soon the way things are going. Nobody else will want you unless you can carry a gun for Uncle Sam's wars. Looks like a few players will be southerners this year.

What a load of bollocks.

He could be born and bred in Currock - it wouldn't make any difference to whether or not he is any good at his job.

Pathetic to say that just because he is southern that he is so poor at doing his job.

Carlisle United/Cumbria is hardly the Basque Country national football team is it....

I'm not going to watch it as life is too short and it will only make me mad.

As for budgets there's no way of knowing at this time in the season where our budget lies in comparison to others.

One thing I do remember from my discussions with JN at the time was the stats which show a direct correlation between budget and league place-you do get the odd anomaly but in the main, cash talks.

If we are genuinely bottom 6 budget, you have to ask why.

Depressed reading this trail to be honest

Don’t quite get the “EWM lacky” insult.

My take on it is that EWM have a financial interest in the club these days but Day either hasn’t got the time or hasn’t got the knowledge to operate within a football club. He’s therefore put one of his men on the club’s board to help balance the books and one of his men, DH, as director of football to help balance the books on the playing side of things. Quite a sensible plan I’d have thought.

As far as DH is concerned, imagine being out of work (not sure what he was up to pre-CUFC tbh) and receiving a call from Day to say will you go into Carlisle United and sort the playing side of things out for me and I’ll pay you a £50k salary (guesstimate). What would you do Wukkie? Does accepting the job make him a lacky? Is someone giving you a job automatically make you a lacky?

It does yes

So we’re all lacky’s?! Unless of course you own your own business.

That's correct. Why bust a gut to line somebody else's pocket.

Totally agree Nobby makes no difference where he comes from he is a useless Gobshite who is clueless.
As for SP being positive tonight, aseasing less as the rest of the crap we have been hearing for weeks. Some people may callthem lies.
It is time for action now.

Didn’t Notts County have one of the best budgets last season, that worked out well, it’s not all about budget it’s about having a self sustaining business plan ambitious forward thinking owners and the right mixture of staff and players.
A guy last night asked what the clubs long term plan was and where they saw themselves being in five years, they answered where they want to be league wise but not off the field.
Really as I’ve said before we need a new multi purpose ground that provides attached facilities that can be an income stream for the club outside of the football side of things.
It would obviously initially require a large investment but once established it could become self financing. The city lacks so many things sport or otherwise that could become part of the development in partnership with interested parties and maybe the council if they got their heads out of the sand.

There are always outliers (Notts, Accrington) but to say there isn’t a positive correlation between budget and league position is disingenuous

It’s called the Spearman’s Rank Correlation Coefficient-Deloitte mention it in their annual football review.

As noted, there are always anomalies-but wage spend is a big driver in points achieved.Not the be all and end all but certainly a key aspect.