HOLDSWORTH OUT

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08 Sep 2019 11:06 #1 by whytakemypostcode
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In this time of EWM austerity, how hard is for the manager to offer a potential player £600 a week or whatever, take it or leave it on a X year contract - job done! No need for Holdsworth whatsoever. With the quality of this squad, he has to take as much blame as Pressley.
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08 Sep 2019 11:35 #2 by 182blue
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No prizes for guessing who will get the blame.
Elvis will be given the mallet in a couple of months and will be heavily criticised by Holdsworth.

Unfortunately the season so far just highlights how poor some of these U/23 teams are.
Some of these lads that are on the books of a Premier League and Championship clubs, you have to ask yourself why on earth that is the case, in some instances at least.
It is crackers.
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08 Sep 2019 12:16 #3 by CarlisleWhite
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Get the sentiment 182, but I think its more the players chosen than the fact the u-23 system is shit.
Yes, some soft players in them, but lots of pearls if the right ones are picked. Holdsworth does not seem to be able to.
The shitter players we have are from lower leagues, non-league and over the border are they not?

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08 Sep 2019 12:19 #4 by CarlisleWhite
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Should also say, if the team are playing the high press fitness orientated game he says (dreams) we are, the players from u-23 teams up the leagues should be ideally suited.

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08 Sep 2019 13:17 - 08 Sep 2019 13:17 #5 by beefsister
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Waste of a wage, Billy Big Balls and a horrible [censored] as well (ask anyone who was at Gretna whilst he was there).
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08 Sep 2019 13:45 #6 by 182blue
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CarlisleWhite wrote: Get the sentiment 182, but I think its more the players chosen than the fact the u-23 system is shit.
Yes, some soft players in them, but lots of pearls if the right ones are picked. Holdsworth does not seem to be able to.
The shitter players we have are from lower leagues, non-league and over the border are they not?


Yes, fair enough
The plan was to rely very heavily on these young loanees to give us the quality needed in a more cost effective way.
Hardly fair on them, I suppose.
On a bad day at the office like yesterday, you think I would far rather watch a bunch of lower league plodders, as it was a soul destroying day.
We have had the occasional good un eg O'Hare but we do seem to have a habit of picking up the duffers , in the main.

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08 Sep 2019 13:50 #7 by Laffy
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Anything else on his CV other than Gretna and us?

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08 Sep 2019 13:55 #8 by crunchblue
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If you get the chance, ask Lincoln fans about David Holdsworth.
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08 Sep 2019 17:22 #9 by Flatcap
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Have done and all they said was goods riddance.

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08 Sep 2019 17:31 #10 by Waltero
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Should have asked how they managed to get shot of him

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08 Sep 2019 17:31 #11 by Laffy
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Sadly you can wish all you want guys-there is no alternative to the current stakeholders.The Trust are beached like a dead whale-all they can do is wait for any new owner to pick them off as they have no money and don’t seem inclined to look for any.

The rest of them are being used as a firewall by EWM who I don’t think have any intention of taking this over.Of course the custodians cannot leave-the PGs in the debt remove that temptation.

So we are essentially left being controlled by the bank of EWM.Its relatively safe from a financial perspective but austerity reigns-and with fans having absolutely no idea what or who will take this forward, we are left with a contracting club at all levels.

Piglet will of course disagree but o see no viable alternative
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08 Sep 2019 18:01 #12 by Mullen103
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Agree Laffy

Do you think EWM had intentions of taking over “officially”?

We all know why EWM/Day were called, I think EWM had intentions of taking over at the beginning but saw the mess of the club and finances in football in general and are happy with the arrangement they have as the bank and with a financial controller.

How this leaves the club in the future, who knows but it’s certainly not attracting any potential new owners.

At least we’re not Stockport

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08 Sep 2019 18:13 #13 by Laffy
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No-I think he was asked to make a loan and what caught him out was the depth of the mess.More cash required than advised-why I spent so much time on DD in 2015.The real damage done in 2016 and onwards for reasons we know.

The fact they haven’t converted all the debt to worthless paper suggests they still think they might get money out-probably on football fortune as I can’t see anyone stupid enough to pay them anything for the Club.

If you accept the chances of creating value are remote, why buy the Club when you can just lend it a few quid and blame the owners if they screw up-the firewall I keep mentioning.The PGs simply make sure they don’t walk.

So we are stuck in a vacuum in my opinion-you can probably go abroad for 5 years and come back in the knowledge we are still here in the middle of League 2.I cannot see any scenario where PD would cast adrift

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08 Sep 2019 18:30 - 08 Sep 2019 18:31 #14 by Dancingbear
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Why ask other fans. Just ask nobby. He has contacts at every club up and down this land and overseas as well no doubt.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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08 Sep 2019 18:31 #15 by Prawncrackhead
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Does anyone know or have a good guess at how much debt we are in?

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08 Sep 2019 18:41 #16 by Mullen103
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Speaking to some I think they was an inkling of a takeover but not a chance now.

EWM are propping the regime up and stopping new investment, trapping the current owners with PGs so they can’t walk, or at least without a sizeable cash sum.

There’ll take stock of the football side at the end of the year. If we’re relstively safe we won’t spend but any danger of relegation and there’ll spend, that’s what it’s going to be like.

Just plodding along And the hope of a good cup draw or we unearth a gem to sell, both highly unlikely at present.

Problem is more and more supporters have cottened on to what’s going on/ given up etc. I made 1 game last season, 3 so far and I’ve lost interest/hope already. Added to the fact that bloody Aldershot treat their supporters better than ours and do things right, what reason have we got to keep going back?

At least we’re not Stockport
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08 Sep 2019 19:02 #17 by cousinscotty
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So what could/would be the position if the majority of the currently attending fans boycotted a la Blackpool? Would it make any difference at all?

Last season and this, I've got my ST on a pay monthly deal simply so I can just stop paying and walk away. After being an ST holder since 1997 when the East Stand was built (and a fan for well over thirty years before that) I am severely tempted.

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08 Sep 2019 19:31 #18 by Laffy
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I think you have to start on the assumption the Club is worth nothing and go straight into bat on the value of the loans-I reckon EWM will be well over £2m.

For me, the loans don’t represent anything either-they arose from trading losses, not building an asset of value.The only reason for retaining them can be hope of recovery-that will put 99.9pc of sane people off and will also act as a drag on ‘football fortune’

As JP etc said on Sat,the club is contracting, more slowly than on previous years, but contracting nonetheless.

I look at the Trust and think why even go to the Board meetings-they take zero notice of them clearly
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