WHEN WILL JENKINS REALISE

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05 Oct 2019 17:44 #1 by borderterrier
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Just when will Jenkins realise he is killing the club.
Rising debt to EWM. Falling gates, lower reaches of league 2. Non existent popularity with the fans.
It’s turning into a ruinous situation.

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05 Oct 2019 18:23 #2 by bruntonpete
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He is a true fan and has always had his heart in the right place. It is such a shame that, under his control, we have always failed to do anything. He comes across as a decent man but he doesn't seem to have any drive or ambition for the club other than just to survive. Under his stewardship, the club will never prosper because he is just happy to plod on. He doesn't seem to seek investment or new owners. He doesn't seem to understand that the match day experience for the average fan is woeful. He doesn't seem to look and learn from other clubs. Understandably at his age, he is stuck in his ways. In the boardroom, he is surrounded by like minded, old men with no drive either.
We seem to be plodding back to the darkest days pre knighton when AJ was in charge then too.
Somebody please come forward and breath some life into our football club before it is too late.
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05 Oct 2019 19:17 #3 by Urban Designer
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Theres days are already darker than the pre knighton years.

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05 Oct 2019 19:23 #4 by pacirv
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He's clueless and out of his depth, just wish he would finally admit it and sell up before it's to late.
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05 Oct 2019 19:26 #5 by Sillothblue
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Jenkins will be very mindful what people think of him and what people say about him. Carlisle United is his toy and he wont let it go. He has apparently enough money of his own to cover all loans and debts that the football club has. So yes, he could just be being stubborn cos he can. He must be a shrewd businessman to acquire the fortune he has apparently got. So I see him as someone who has decided whatever offer or whatever suggestions are put to him he will just ignore them cos he can.
I have been watching Carlisle United since the early 70s and would love the current board to sell up and move on, but can't see that happening in the foreseeable future.
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05 Oct 2019 21:54 #6 by Laffy
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I’m afraid the buck stops with those in charge.We are in danger of confusing effort with success-they aren’t the same as evidenced by a shocking league position and a club drifting along, contracting at an alarming rate.

In any other business, there would be accountability for this but not here.The club is stuck in a spiral.

Where is NC banging the drum?Whats the message?

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05 Oct 2019 22:19 - 05 Oct 2019 23:12 #7 by whytakemypostcode
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In a recent interview, SP stated that there is a lot going on behind the scenes that people don't know about. If that was the case (although I don't believe it), then tell people about it!

As for David Holdsworth and Nigel Clibbens, their silence is deafening - do they even still work for the club?!

And Andrew Jenkins, he shouldn't be exempt from banging the drum. He has been silent for years other than his programme notes and an end of season interview for the website.

The whole lot of them need to give themselves a shake!
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05 Oct 2019 22:44 #8 by Alan
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Can't believe the trust aren't getting their share of the blame in our demise I hate them more than the custodians .
Representatives of our support.
My arse and [censored] parcel it.




Leave Means Leave
You [censored] Turkeys.
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05 Oct 2019 22:50 #9 by Bluedazblue
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This is just a trivial observation.

I was in the East Stand for the Oldham match, a match which didn't attract a huge crowd. I attempted to buy a hot drink at half-time but gave up as I would have missed the start of the second half.

This sort of thing doesn't put me off attending matches, but how is it that the club cannot get the basics of catering and customer service right, when one of the directors has made his fortune from catering and customer service?

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05 Oct 2019 23:49 #10 by carwash
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whytakemypostcode wrote: As for David Holdsworth and Nigel Clibbens, their silence is deafening - do they even still work for the club?!


I suspect NC and DH are keeping their heads down and letting Pressley take full responsibility for results. Clibbens was at the game today.
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06 Oct 2019 07:16 #11 by HuntingHorn
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Bluedazblue wrote: This is just a trivial observation.

I was in the East Stand for the Oldham match, a match which didn't attract a huge crowd. I attempted to buy a hot drink at half-time but gave up as I would have missed the start of the second half.

This sort of thing doesn't put me off attending matches, but how is it that the club cannot get the basics of catering and customer service right, when one of the directors has made his fortune from catering and customer service?


It isn’t a trivial observation though....
It’s the sort of thing that turns you off going to buy a hot drink next time if it becomes a pattern and results in lost revenue, it’s a small indication of a much bigger issue all round.
I know that the incompetence I last dealt with put me off buying a pint and a pie at half time too. We’ve mentioned before other nearby places that get this SO right, yet our lot get it so badly wrong.

I don’t doubt Jenkins is a supporter of CUFC, I think he believes he has the club at heart too.
I doubt he gets any help from Nixon, the guy is away attending the latest expenses paid meeting of whatever baloney group is having a knees up this week to concern himself with his actual role.
As said elsewhere, what the hell is our Trust? What the hell do these apparitional clowns do for CUFC?
I’ve never witnessed a more lacking and nonexistent group.

I can’t see what the issue is with approaching someone like BBC or Sky and asking if they’d be interested in running a story on Carlisle United, link it to the 20th anniversary of St Jimmy’s day that the club are back up for sale, all sensible offers considered before it gets back to a last gasp shot from a goalkeeper keeping the club alive....at least it might grab someone’s imagination.
Or we could just stay silent and eventually vanish.

It's better to be silent and assumed a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
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06 Oct 2019 11:19 #12 by Sammy Taylor
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Shaldon 1 said on the match day thread ..."The directors need to sell the club to someone with enthusiasm and hard cash to give away,"......
What a load of rubbish!...
Yes you need enthusiasm but who in their right mind would give CUFC or any lower league football club anything up to 1/2 million pounds a year.
I`ve supported the club 60 yrs but even if i had had £17 million under my bed i would`nt just give it to the club... Would you ??

To me what a directors job is...is to be in a position to loan the club money if needed at no interest but to have it repaid at an agreed time.

The club has to be run as a business and be accountable or our long term future is in non league football.

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06 Oct 2019 11:33 #13 by Waltero
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It wouldn't matter how many millions you had, as I see it they don't want to sell the club. They'd find some reason to knock you back

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06 Oct 2019 11:40 - 06 Oct 2019 11:41 #14 by nobbyblue
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I've just bought a lucky dip for the Euromillions on Tuesday.

If I win I'll be putting in an offer for the club early Wednesday.

I don't want you miserable bar stewards complaining either when I bring Keith back as manager.

I've already put in provisional offers for Keiran Westwood, Naki Wells, Joe Garner and Michael Raynes. And that's just for starters.

So it's going to be some [censored] team.
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06 Oct 2019 12:14 #15 by Laffy
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Totally agree Sammy

Good businesses regularly renew their boards and constantly look to improve.I had a 5 year rotation policy for directors in the legal docs which probably went down like a lead balloon in some quarters but it’s healthy.I carved out AJ from this trap door given his long service.

We are swimming in mediocrity-that some on here treated yesterday like the second coming is pathetic.We didn’t deserve to lose but the Club shouldn’t be allowed to treat a performance at Newport like it’s amazing FFS.

As for the Trust-only one word sums them up now-irrelevant.
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06 Oct 2019 12:51 #16 by Mullen103
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I don’t doubt Jenkins loves the club, but he is just useless at running one. However he has the attitude that “he knows best” and that it’s his business hence the lack of enthusiasm to move upstairs or leave completely.

Agree boards should be renewed constantly. It gets stale otherwise. Having the same people on the board is no good and that’s the case with the club and trust. I’ve been on two boards, each for two years sans brought people in with the specialities needed at the time and once done away - they were successful albeit different as none of the people on the boards owned it.

It though seems we’ve had the same discussions every game, especially after a defeat and nowt changes. Nowts going to change.

The trust, yes, are irrelevant. Again maybe with different people or enthusiasm it may be different, but that’s not going to happen either. I’ve a tiny tiny little more respect for them as no one will come in but what can you do.

The club frustrates the hell out of me. Things could be so much better easily but us minions outside know nothing.

At least we’re not Stockport

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06 Oct 2019 13:28 #17 by the Fox
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Unfortunately Andrew Jenkins loves the club too much. He probably has had a little interest but it’s like selling your beloved record collection or the first car you bought. That person has to be the perfect person or group to take over. Too many people take over then it all go pear shaped.

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06 Oct 2019 13:40 #18 by borderterrier
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LAFFY. What happens if EWM ask for the loan to be repaid?

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06 Oct 2019 13:50 #19 by aberdeenblue28
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Jenkins isn’t the problem it’s Nixon and Steve Pat
And they obviously don’t care if crowds go down and they have said that this week. Look at Blackpool and their boycott Oyston didn’t leave because of the boycott he left for other reasons.

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06 Oct 2019 13:58 #20 by whytakemypostcode
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I used to think AJ was waiting for a massive cup run payday to get back some of his money, however Man Utd away in the 3rd round of the FA Cup in January will go straight back to EWM I guess?

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06 Oct 2019 14:04 #21 by CCU
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Urban Designer wrote: Theres days are already darker than the pre knighton years.


Absolutely nowhere near...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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06 Oct 2019 14:39 #22 by Sammy Taylor
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I`m sure Andrew Jenkins does love the club but that is part of problem...He sold/gave it to Knighton who in the end would have taken great pleasure in taking us out of the existence.
Jenkins i believe is fearful of who is out there...For every genuine buyer there are 10 charlatans who would bankrupt the club.

So i think we have the present owners until A J passes away.
Only then we may find out the future could be a hell of a lot worse than the present.

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06 Oct 2019 14:45 #23 by Laffy
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I don’t see EWM asking back their money-yet.Banks rarely want to take over operationally and this is no different.EWM need the three out front as a firewall in case this whole thing implodes.

If someone did call in the loans, it’s either cheque books out or taxis at the door.

EWM saved the club from oblivion-they don’t want to own it however.They are however the kingmaker as they will vet anyone interested.

There is no interest in the club because of the debt-remove that and there would be a queue at the door
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06 Oct 2019 15:04 #24 by bluestblue
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Sillothblue wrote: Jenkins will be very mindful what people think of him and what people say about him. Carlisle United is his toy and he wont let it go. He has apparently enough money of his own to cover all loans and debts that the football club has. So yes, he could just be being stubborn cos he can. He must be a shrewd businessman to acquire the fortune he has apparently got. So I see him as someone who has decided whatever offer or whatever suggestions are put to him he will just ignore them cos he can.
I have been watching Carlisle United since the early 70s and would love the current board to sell up and move on, but can't see that happening in the foreseeable future.



"He must be a shrewd businessman to acquire the fortune he has apparently got"

Yes and no. He didn't establish the company. It's a long established family business and AJ took it over when it was already a thriving company

See pioneerfoodservice.co.uk/history/

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06 Oct 2019 15:33 #25 by BlueAl
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Carlisle were thriving when they took over from Fred Story.

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06 Oct 2019 15:34 #26 by borderterrier
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Thanks Laffy. So let’s be clear.... IF EWM called in the loan it’s either pay up by way of the Directors paying up or the club goes bust?

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06 Oct 2019 15:59 #27 by Laffy
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No-it’s about control.Cant see PD pulling the plug-he’s a decent guy.He will either ask for his money back or hand control to someone of his choosing

The good thing about PGS is it means the borrower always answers the phone when the lender calls him!

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06 Oct 2019 16:53 #28 by borderterrier
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So nothing at all to worry about. Ie... we won’t end up like Bury.

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06 Oct 2019 16:56 #29 by Taffy-P
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Carlisle were thriving then !!!!!!!!! Then Fred packed in because he was sick of the criticism He told me to my face If we win 3 nil it should have been 5 if we loose 3 games in a row Iv got no ambition and should sack the manager Iv had enough even though they owe me a couple of million

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06 Oct 2019 16:57 #30 by Sammy Taylor
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BlueAl wrote: Carlisle were thriving when they took over from Fred Story.



The team team were thriving on the pitch under Freds reign but the downward spiral began with missing out on automatic promotion in the 2007/2008 season, a lot of fans stopped going because the club surposedly did`nt want promotion.
The fact that the club were a million pound in debt to Fred with that failed push for promotion meant cuts were always going to be made.
So in the last 10 years lower crowds meant lower budget meant less and less success .
The question is
Have we reached the bottom of the spiral?

I`d like to think with E W M in real control and the balancing of the books this season that we have.

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06 Oct 2019 17:25 #31 by Laffy
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Feed was in my view an ideal owner-prepared to put his money where his mouth is but run the Club hard and wait for the rewards without interfering too much with the guys in place to manage it.

We aren’t a patch on that time-but it wouldn’t take much to relaunch after a good old clearout

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06 Oct 2019 17:28 #32 by Taffy-P
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Sammy Taylor wrote:

BlueAl wrote: Carlisle were thriving when they took over from Fred Story.



The team team were thriving on the pitch under Freds reign but the downward spiral began with missing out on automatic promotion in the 2007/2008 season, a lot of fans stopped going because the club surposedly did`nt want promotion.
The fact that the club were a million pound in debt to Fred with that failed push for promotion meant cuts were always going to be made.
So in the last 10 years lower crowds meant lower budget meant less and less success .
The question is
Have we reached the bottom of the spiral?

I`d like to think with E W M in real control and the balancing of the books this season that we have.

Fred definitely wanted promotion to the Championship as he told me You get 2 million off Sky (that was then) why wouldn’t we want to go up his words not mine

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06 Oct 2019 18:44 #33 by Sammy Taylor
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As i said on a earlier post the job of a B O D is to loan the club money when needed also to oversee the running of the club in a professional manner and maximize the commercial income to the club.

Sadly it seems the present board including the trust can no longer do any of these. If this is the case they should step aside at the end of this season and allow forward thinking new blood to take over.

But its important any new owners are relatively local and have the club and the fans interests at heart.

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06 Oct 2019 19:26 #34 by triskelionblue
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It beggars belief they obtained the club for £1 each and are still hanging on despite overseeing a steady decline... the only one to come out with any credit is Dave Allen who jumped ship early on when he realised the other three had zero ambition
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06 Oct 2019 23:04 - 06 Oct 2019 23:06 #35 by Taffy-P
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triskelionblue wrote: It beggars belief they obtained the club for £1 each and are still hanging on despite overseeing a steady decline... the only one to come out with any credit is Dave Allen who jumped ship early on when he realised the other three had zero ambition

David Allen was Fred Story’s accountant (who build his business out of one key account (Story’s) David was the guy who had to pick up the pieces when Fed left then get out him self without too much damage
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06 Oct 2019 23:15 #36 by Piglet_Phoenix
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The answer is simple.

Don't boycott the club, that's pointless and the directors don't really care.

To be effective, you have to arrange a boycott of Jenkins' businesses in and around the city. Hit him where it really hurts.

That's the only way to force change.
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07 Oct 2019 00:23 #37 by deeksme
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CCU wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: Theres days are already darker than the pre knighton years.


Absolutely nowhere near...


In terms of the general health of the club, you're right but:

Walling
Watson
Proudlock
Thorpe
Edmondson
arguably O'Hanlon

from the 92 team would all massively improve the current squad. They were desperate days though.
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07 Oct 2019 06:09 #38 by Markovitch
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We are asking a donor to chuck £3m down the toilet with no obvious benefit to him. My only criticism of Day is that he seems to have put zero thought into how he can use the club to promote EWM. Setting up a charitable trust and using the club as a flagship for good work is both tax efficient and better than just writing a cheque for £250k a year. Its possible he's looked at it and the numbers don't add up but I'd be surprised if the current way was the best way, and Clibbins knows this stuff better than anyone. Maybe Day just doesn't want any links with Britain for tax reasons

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07 Oct 2019 14:52 #39 by thesilentone
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: The answer is simple.

Don't boycott the club, that's pointless and the directors don't really care.

To be effective, you have to arrange a boycott of Jenkins' businesses in and around the city. Hit him where it really hurts.

That's the only way to force change.



What a daft idea, if every person that went to CUFC stopped buying at the Pioneer, it would not make the slightest of difference. The main part of the business is wholesale, not retail.
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07 Oct 2019 17:00 #40 by Dancingbear
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Did someone really say above that Fred put the club £1 million in debt with a failed promotion push?. Beggars belief.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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07 Oct 2019 17:30 #41 by nobbyblue
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He wrote it off though.

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07 Oct 2019 17:32 - 07 Oct 2019 17:32 #42 by nobbyblue
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thesilentone wrote:

Piglet_Phoenix wrote: The answer is simple.

Don't boycott the club, that's pointless and the directors don't really care.

To be effective, you have to arrange a boycott of Jenkins' businesses in and around the city. Hit him where it really hurts.

That's the only way to force change.



What a daft idea, if every person that went to CUFC stopped buying at the Pioneer, it would not make the slightest of difference. The main part of the business is wholesale, not retail.


Aye the loss of 50 pies a week's not going to worry him too much!
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07 Oct 2019 18:15 #43 by Dancingbear
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nobbyblue wrote: He wrote it off though.


Aye but it was the remnants of Knightons old loan not the consequence of a failed promotion push.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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07 Oct 2019 19:32 #44 by tommycoleman1
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Was the debt not Knightons Bristol & West loan ?

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07 Oct 2019 20:26 #45 by Dancingbear
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tommycoleman1 wrote: Was the debt not Knightons Bristol & West loan ?

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Yes

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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07 Oct 2019 20:33 #46 by thesilentone
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If I remember rightly, Fred settled the Knighton debt. then laid a debenture on the club assets to cover it at zero interest.

Then wrote the whole thing off, and if it wasn't for those wxxxerks in the Trust he'd have got us in the Championship by now.
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07 Oct 2019 21:12 - 08 Oct 2019 18:37 #47 by PaddockRanger
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borderterrier wrote: Just when will Jenkins realise he is killing the club.
Rising debt to EWM. Falling gates, lower reaches of league 2. Non existent popularity with the fans.
It’s turning into a ruinous situation.



he, along with Patty and Nix, have realised for a long time there has been some sharp declines in attendance figures since the days of Story.....where the average crowd was 7,000+.

but I feel they haven't done enough since the day's pre-Knighton where the average attendance was 2,500. Every time one of the leeches makes said comment about the club, whether that be in programme notes or other media outlets (nothing contemporary), they never fail to raise a few eye brows. all 3 of them, the trust and EWM have no other plan for the club except for existing each season.
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07 Oct 2019 21:32 #48 by torbayblue
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When will Jenks realise that he is the problem and not the solution?

It would beggar believe if he didn't have an inkling, year on year with failed teams and declining revenue. Year on year of not sourcing meaningful money for the club, either from his privileged pocket or other sources. Year on year of distancing himself and his cronies from the fans.

And season after season of clinging like crazy to the greasy pole of his elevated position in the boardroom peeing on the lesser people (Carlisle United fans) below.

Change will eventually happen, let's hope we still have a league club to support. Only an opinion, of course.
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07 Oct 2019 21:44 #49 by PaddockRanger
Replied by PaddockRanger on topic WHEN WILL JENKINS REALISE

torbayblue wrote: When will Jenks realise that he is the problem and not the solution?

It would beggar believe if he didn't have an inkling, year on year with failed teams and declining revenue. Year on year of not sourcing meaningful money for the club, either from his privileged pocket or other sources. Year on year of distancing himself and his cronies from the fans.

And season after season of clinging like crazy to the greasy pole of his elevated position in the boardroom peeing on the lesser people (Carlisle United fans) below.

Change will eventually happen, let's hope we still have a league club to support. Only an opinion, of course.



I would support a phoenix club if the unthinkable happened, aslong as those 3, and their relatives, were NOT involved.

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07 Oct 2019 22:19 #50 by CCU
Replied by CCU on topic WHEN WILL JENKINS REALISE

PaddockRanger wrote: I would support a phoenix club if the unthinkable happened, aslong as those 3, and their relatives, were NOT involved.


Imagine the kerfuffle of a phoenix Club involving Carlisle!

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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