Tom Lawrence

Just seen Tom Lawrences goal today and his muted celebration afterwards which was appropriate I thought. Just got me thinking to the incident with the drink driving and Keoghs injury and how football is very much a closed shop when this type of thing happens. I would imagine when it goes to court more detail will come out, but with these types of incidents and things like Danny Drinkwaters nightclub fight recently, football clubs pretty much impose an information blackout, I appreciate if I was involved in something like this I wouldn't want my employer telling every man and his dog, but do you think its a different scenario with high profile footballers, role models etc.

Another point, I wonder what Keoghs stance will be if this incident and subsequent injury means he never plays again, I wonder if this will mean some form of legal action against his fellow players. Obviously he is still under contract and getting paid so he only needs to concentrate on getting fit. But if this doesn't go well, he might consider his options.

Legally the motor insurers would pick up any claim from Keogh for his injury however given his involvement in the drinking session 'contributory' negligence' would apply i.e. he should have known it was unsafe to be a passenger in a car driven by a drunk which could reduce any payout by about 80%. I suspect it will all be kept in-house.

cufcmike wrote: Footballers car insurance is generally a bit more expensive, to cover the fact their cars will contain footballers, and also the fact that seemingly footballers drive like arseholes! Drink driving normally null and voids insurance policies though I think?

I would think that too... most policies I think would have an exclusion for drink driving

triskelionblue wrote:

cufcmike wrote: Footballers car insurance is generally a bit more expensive, to cover the fact their cars will contain footballers, and also the fact that seemingly footballers drive like arseholes! Drink driving normally null and voids insurance policies though I think?

I would think that too... most policies I think would have an exclusion for drink driving

Even if there were a Drink Driving exclusion, the insurer would have to deal with the claim on behalf of the Motor Insurers Bureau as "insurer concerned." Then, any payment would come out of the MIB fund for death or injury victims of uninsured drivers, so whatever, Keogh would (will) get his payout.

The MIB would then have right of recovery against the driver (Lawrence). Now that would be interesting.

From the Go Compare website. Is your insurance invalid if you drink and drive?
It depends. Your car insurance won't necessarily be invalid if you're drink driving. However, if you've been in an accident whilst driving under the influence, your insurance company could refuse to pay out for your repairs or injury claims.
Under the Road Traffic Act, insurers must meet the costs of any claim by a third party for injury or damage. Be warned though - the insurer’s entitled to claim these costs back from you.
Most insurance policies will have a drink and drug driving clause. Make sure you check your policy documents to find out what you're covered for.

About eighteen years ago down south my mate totalled his XR3I, he had only had one pint and was just over the limit but he collided with another car (more out of anger than drink driving as he had hit the pub intending to leave his car there but had left his wallet at home and went back to retrieve it thinking that he would be okay) maybe things have changed now regarding drink driving but the insurance company paid out for his and the other car, things might have been different had there been any injuries of course.

carwash wrote: I suspect it will all be kept in-house.

The big clubs employ Winston Wolfe-style fixers to try and keep players' misdemeanors out of the public eye wherever possible.

I'm aware of one case where a player (who also played for us at another time in his career) was involved in a single vehicle accident after drinking. He was straight on the phone to the club fixer, who came out, whisked him and his Mrs away from the scene, got the car taken to be repaired and the authorities were none the wiser.

I also heard in relation to this Derby incident that at least one of the players involved (or their representative) asked if the club could cover up the accident as no-one else was involved and pretend the injuries were sustained in training. As I heard it, the chairman refused.

It should really just be a zero tolerance, even the smallest amount can effect your driving.

My mate passed after having 6 or 7 pints a good few years back. He was very proud that he had bamboozled the constabulary that night. He was a lunatic mind.

In those days drink driving was more prevalent. It's more socially unacceptable now and so it should be.

I must have driven like a lot of people back in the day over the limit from the night before. Not nowadays though.

Drinking is a bit of a dying art these days. There's not the heavy drinkers there was when I was a lad. The 25 pints a night fellas are few and far between these days.

CCU wrote:

Happyblue wrote: It should really just be a zero tolerance, even the smallest amount can effect your driving.

A true zero tolerance is impossible though, due to the presence of alcohol in all sorts of medicines, toiletries and food stuffs...

Ok virtually zero tolerance, drop it to the same level as Scotland across the board , even q pint it too much when driving.

How many people have been seriously injured/died in an accident caused by a fella having two pints. I don't know the figures but I would would say none.

From Popbitch (all alleged obviously) -

* Captain Richard Keogh's debit card was rejected three times in the pub when he went to pay the final £800 of the bill.

* Staff said he started kicking off when he couldn't get his card to work, with one of them labelling him "the worst and biggest [censored]" they'd ever dealt with.

* The bar bill from the evening's drinks was almost three grand and included 75 Jagermeisters, 38 tequilas and 54 sambucas.

Quiet night then

ExiledJock wrote: From Popbitch (all alleged obviously) -

* Captain Richard Keogh's debit card was rejected three times in the pub when he went to pay the final £800 of the bill.

* Staff said he started kicking off when he couldn't get his card to work, with one of them labelling him "the worst and biggest [censored]" they'd ever dealt with.

* The bar bill from the evening's drinks was almost three grand and included 75 Jagermeisters, 38 tequilas and 54 sambucas.

I've seen a photo of the bill if I knew how to post photos I would put it on here it's impressive but right at the bottom of a very long and hugely impressive bill is 3 bottles of j20

One person at least was sober enough to drive

The photo of the bill is from the Leeds celebration after the game (about £2.5K?) when they stopped at a pub on the way home. Lampard was boasting about paying it.
Yes, the same Lampard who gave them a character reference at the court case.
Both of them ended up only a few pints over the limit didn't they. Not sure how mind with the pictures of Bennet spewing his ring before it.

I'm even wary of driving the next morning if I've had a couple of beers the night before - lucky I walk to work...

Lucky I can't be arsed to drive anymore, have bus pass have fun

CarlisleWhite wrote: The photo of the bill is from the Leeds celebration after the game (about £2.5K?) when they stopped at a pub on the way home. Lampard was boasting about paying it.
Yes, the same Lampard who gave them a character reference at the court case.
Both of them ended up only a few pints over the limit didn't they. Not sure how mind with the pictures of Bennet spewing his ring before it.

£2,802 the J2Os at bottom of bill still make me chuckle

Weird that the other two didn't get the sack and they got rid of a passenger....

Keogh will be kneeding a new club now then.

Just a question of how
much dough.

Seems a bit of a knee-jerk reaction

munchymagic wrote: Weird that the other two didn't get the sack and they got rid of a passenger....

not really, the other 2 players also responsible for the incident did not suffer career threatening injuries. Keogh is definitely out for the season, probably longer. why pay a crocked player where his injury happened committing an unlawful act.

Is getting into a vehicle with someone who's been drinking an unlawful offence why wasn't Keough charged

Shocking response by a shit house of a club, but apparently the argument is his own negligence has caused him to be unfit to play, whereas the other two have not.
What a terrible way to treat an employee, even if it is Richard Keogh.
Can't wait for Rooney to get there so they can improve the image of the club??

Keogh will be consulting his legal team on that I would think.

Waltero wrote: Is getting into a vehicle with someone who's been drinking an unlawful offence why wasn't Keough charged

You could charge all the passengers on a bus if the driver had been drinking if that was true

PaddockRanger wrote:

munchymagic wrote: Weird that the other two didn't get the sack and they got rid of a passenger....

not really, the other 2 players also responsible for the incident did not suffer career threatening injuries. Keogh is definitely out for the season, probably longer. why pay a crocked player where his injury happened committing an unlawful act.

The other 2 players will have a sell on value at somepoint in the future,Keogh doesnt

There'll be something in their contracts which says they can be sacked if their own negligence leads them to be unable to play for the club.

As much as Keogh will be consulting lawyers, I've no doubt Derby will have made sure they haven't done anything wrong.

The other two can pay the club back for their mistake, Keogh can't.

Surely this will be appealed and a settlement offered to Keogh?
The other two arguably have done worse by driving, yet don’t get sacked.

As previously said, there’s value in them two players as they are young, but in a work place surely this is discrimination on his age?

Apparently he was told he could see his contract out but on reduced terms. Should have taken that option in my view

I thought recovery was supposed to be quicker after Keogh surgery.

CarlisleWhite wrote: Shocking response by a shit house of a club, but apparently the argument is his own negligence has caused him to be unfit to play, whereas the other two have not.
What a terrible way to treat an employee, even if it is Richard Keogh.
Can't wait for Rooney to get there so they can improve the image of the club??

"A shit house of a club" from a Leeds fan,you need to take your blinkers off CW.

Mikercufc wrote: Surely this will be appealed and a settlement offered to Keogh?
The other two arguably have done worse by driving, yet don’t get sacked.

As previously said, there’s value in them two players as they are young, but in a work place surely this is discrimination on his age?

Nothing to do with discrimination, the difference is that Keogh is in all likelihood not going to be able to play for Derby again.

Ha ha.
What is it that is bothering you Pete?
Something from 10 or 20 years ago as seems to be the norm.

CarlisleWhite wrote: Shocking response by a shit house of a club, but apparently the argument is his own negligence has caused him to be unfit to play, whereas the other two have not.
What a terrible way to treat an employee, even if it is Richard Keogh.
Can't wait for Rooney to get there so they can improve the image of the club??

Is a snide decision, but Cardiff trying to wriggle out of paying Sala's transfer fees to Nantes is still the winner for me

sirjimmyglass wrote:

Mikercufc wrote: Surely this will be appealed and a settlement offered to Keogh?
The other two arguably have done worse by driving, yet don’t get sacked.

As previously said, there’s value in them two players as they are young, but in a work place surely this is discrimination on his age?

Nothing to do with discrimination, the difference is that Keogh is in all likelihood not going to be able to play for Derby again.

But in a work place it doesn’t mean you just sack them. To benefit the club and get him off the wage bill dosnt sit Right. If they other two had been equally punished then so be it, but they havnt and why? Because Keogh is 33 and will be passed it when he recovers?

I’m sure he will have insurance of some sort anyways.

Surely the PFA will have a good legal team on board to fight his corner, that's what you pay your subs for

How many employers would willing pay the salary of an employee unable to do his job for 18 months , when they have a convinient way to sack him

CarlisleWhite wrote: Ha ha.
What is it that is bothering you Pete?
Something from 10 or 20 years ago as seems to be the norm.

Only place i have ever been spat at CW i realise all teams have moron fans but Elland road was my worst experiance as an away fan.

Maybe the fact he’s captain and possibly other factors like maybe encouraging them to drive has played into it as well.

Yeh but he was pissed and therefore not in a state to give informed consent for them to drive him home (according to feminists or summat)

Not the first time I've heard away supporters being abused to be honest, some of the idiots see it a badge of honour.
Think I'd rather have a right hook than be spat at. Happened once to me playing rugby and was fuming. Carlisle lad as well.
Not sure how one or two morons make it a shithouse club mind.

One or two?

nobbyblue wrote: One or two?

What you mean hundreds or thousands gobbed at Pete? Not sure he said that.