Why are the media doing more against the board, than the actual fans?

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26 Oct 2019 18:24 #1 by paddockite
I think this is something that's been apparent for quite awhile, and I think after ANOTHER Jon Colman article today (I know theres another thread but I thought this one deserved its own), something needs to be said...

I don't know how many articles that is now, against the BOD, by Jon Colman, but the guy is certainly not shying away. He reports on gripes against the BOD by fans, however minor, and even today's, saying changes are needed throughout the football club. He pushes for answers from EWM, the BOD frequently, and asks the questions that others probably wouldn't, why is he doing it and we aren't? Why, is a supposed impartial journalist, (who obviously loves CUFC), doing more than us?

James Phillips and Chris Lumsdon, last season especially, essentially pleading for fans to do something, saying they'll back any fans gripes, but it needs to be started by fans, yet nothing happens. They give us a platform, yet there is no appetite.

A protest was planned at the start of last season, it wasnt planned at all well and could have been so much better, but fans apparently laughing down on them, ridiculed on social media, what is wrong with this fan base?

Protest post on here, no interest. CUOSC suggestions on here and Twitter and Facebook, barely a suggestion or interest, yet you come on here every day, every week and see the same old moans, this week abusive posts against the board, people wanting them out, saying they aren't going back, yet a suggestion is made and everyone goes quiet, why?

Seriously, what do people actually want, why are supposed impartial journalists calling out the club more than the fans?
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26 Oct 2019 18:27 #2 by Laffy
Because you will be called broke, dubious and all things bad to mankind.

Jon is an excellent writer-and should be writing for the Sport section of the Telegraph.
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26 Oct 2019 18:29 #3 by paddockite

Laffy wrote: Because you will be called broke, dubious and all things bad to mankind.

Jon is an excellent writer-and should be writing for the Sport section of the Telegraph.


Agreed, and he is giving fans a platform to stage something against the BOD yet everyone is just happy to sit here and do absolutely [censored] all.

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26 Oct 2019 18:31 #4 by Mullen103
Been saying the same for years!

We’ve now got the club deserved really. The club can be so so much better in all areas but because the supporters have been quiet, apart from a few, they’ve got away with it.

The abuse those lads got for the protests was awful, I didn’t understand it.

I’m all for your plans 100% paddock, cannot carry on like this. Sad thing is a lot that would of joined youse have gave up completely.

At least we’re not Stockport

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26 Oct 2019 18:35 #5 by paddockite

Mullen103 wrote: Been saying the same for years!

We’ve now got the club deserved really. The club can be so so much better in all areas but because the supporters have been quiet, apart from a few, they’ve got away with it.

The abuse those lads got for the protests was awful, I didn’t understand it.

I’m all for your plans 100% paddock, cannot carry on like this. Sad thing is a lot that would of joined youse have gave up completely.


Its absolutely infuriating, make suggestions of stuff that can be done, and are people interested, everyone shuts up, not a peep. Yet they're on others thread calling the directors every name under the sun. I started a protest thread last night as a bit of a test, is anybody interested, would people back it, it's now fallen to the bottom of the page, sums it up.
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26 Oct 2019 18:37 #6 by Mullen103

Laffy wrote: Because you will be called broke, dubious and all things bad to mankind.

Jon is an excellent writer-and should be writing for the Sport section of the Telegraph.


Agree with both!

Jon is excellent, too good really but he can never says he’s short of stories.

You got called all sorts for wanting to help. Although I didn’t agree with browns proposal, far better than what we have, but the club ridiculed him in the official accounts, yes it’s no wonder no one wants to help/put offer in.

On a far lesser extent MRF called them out and got thrown out. The issues on Tuesday and the stuff I’ve been accused off for simply calling them out etc. It’s no wonder no one wants to do anything.

There’s these supposed talks of “succession” I don’t know if you know anything, I normally do ;) so must have M16 security on it as no one knows a thing about it.

At least we’re not Stockport

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26 Oct 2019 18:41 #7 by CCU
M16 is Old Trafford? Are the Glazers poised?!

;)

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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26 Oct 2019 18:42 #8 by CUFC52
Sad reality is our fans act like a bunch of old men and women, happy to complain and moan, but unwilling to do anything.

Genuinely believe a few protests and attendance dropping bellow 3000 would see them out. But the harsh reality is we are as bad as them - we are willing to accept mediocrity and becoming a non leauge club.
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26 Oct 2019 18:44 #9 by Mullen103

paddockite wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: Been saying the same for years!

We’ve now got the club deserved really. The club can be so so much better in all areas but because the supporters have been quiet, apart from a few, they’ve got away with it.

The abuse those lads got for the protests was awful, I didn’t understand it.

I’m all for your plans 100% paddock, cannot carry on like this. Sad thing is a lot that would of joined youse have gave up completely.


Its absolutely infuriating, make suggestions of stuff that can be done, and are people interested, everyone shuts up, not a peep. Yet they're on others thread calling the directors every name under the sun. I started a protest thread last night as a bit of a test, is anybody interested, would people back it, it's now fallen to the bottom of the page, sums it up.


As far as Knighton was a bloody idiot, he did give us some good times, horrendous times (he didn’t relegate us) nearly - however we had protests, filled out the sands centre for the trusts “get him out” campaign.

Things are bad now really bad. I’m not relaxed they’s a chance we could go down. However there’s no attempt to do anything.

I tried to call a vote of no confidence in the trust, no appetite! Protests outside where 10 turn up and my shitty bedsheet. Another protest falling on death ears.

I do think though there needs to be an alternative, I think we’ve got that with Laffy. I don’t think, currently, he has any chance of taking over/helping but with supporter pressure who knows.

At least we’re not Stockport

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26 Oct 2019 18:56 #10 by ParcelPete

CCU wrote: M16 is Old Trafford? Are the Glazers poised?!

;)


Any link between the Glazers and Carlisle Glass ?
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26 Oct 2019 18:56 #11 by Prawncrackhead
You need 3 people one in each stand with flyers handing out to people to tell them of a planned protest, set match and details etc. I don't think this message board is the best place to start.
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26 Oct 2019 18:58 #12 by Bluedazblue

paddockite wrote: I think this is something that's been apparent for quite awhile, and I think after ANOTHER Jon Colman article today (I know theres another thread but I thought this one deserved its own), something needs to be said...

I don't know how many articles that is now, against the BOD, by Jon Colman, but the guy is certainly not shying away. He reports on gripes against the BOD by fans, however minor, and even today's, saying changes are needed throughout the football club. He pushes for answers from EWM, the BOD frequently, and asks the questions that others probably wouldn't, why is he doing it and we aren't? Why, is a supposed impartial journalist, (who obviously loves CUFC), doing more than us?

James Phillips and Chris Lumsdon, last season especially, essentially pleading for fans to do something, saying they'll back any fans gripes, but it needs to be started by fans, yet nothing happens. They give us a platform, yet there is no appetite.

A protest was planned at the start of last season, it wasnt planned at all well and could have been so much better, but fans apparently laughing down on them, ridiculed on social media, what is wrong with this fan base?

Protest post on here, no interest. CUOSC suggestions on here and Twitter and Facebook, barely a suggestion or interest, yet you come on here every day, every week and see the same old moans, this week abusive posts against the board, people wanting them out, saying they aren't going back, yet a suggestion is made and everyone goes quiet, why?

Seriously, what do people actually want, why are supposed impartial journalists calling out the club more than the fans?


I think one reason is that if fans start mouthing off in the stands against the BOD they could face a confrontation with the match stewards. So unless a demonstration is well co-ordinated with many participants, individuals will be reluctant to put their heads above the metaphorical parapet.

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26 Oct 2019 19:10 #13 by Laffy
Change will come-it’s in PDs gift and no one else.Any sensible lobbying really has to be with him.I have said before that the three wisemen and the Trust have been locked in and are just a firewall until PD decides it’s time.On that basis, absolutely no point in directing any fire on them

The Trust could of course just say they don’t like the way the Club is heading and exit the BOD-I can’t imagine either Jim or Billy do anything meaningful other than serve the teas at the board meetings.If they think they are influencing, they are utterly deluded.

I’m very clear the strategy is to make the Club investable by showing it can run without cash injection.This ploy fails because it doesn’t involve any long term investment in the infrastructure and of course no sane individual is going to pay anything for dead debt.That being the case, why are the Trust going with the flow?They have shown a total inability to raise cash and their negative control is destroying the balance sheet.Sad but true

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26 Oct 2019 19:12 #14 by CUFC52
Well, people have to start somewhere.

Start on the message board, people can put it on social media, I’m more than sure Coleman would happily mention it in the news and star

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26 Oct 2019 19:21 #15 by CCU

Prawncrackhead wrote: You need 3 people one in each stand with flyers handing out to people to tell them of a planned protest, set match and details etc. I don't think this message board is the best place to start.


The minute you hand out flyers in the Ground, you’ll be stopped.

Nothing wrong with Warwick Road by the entrances mind...

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26 Oct 2019 19:21 #16 by seesaw50

paddockite wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: Been saying the same for years!

We’ve now got the club deserved really. The club can be so so much better in all areas but because the supporters have been quiet, apart from a few, they’ve got away with it.

The abuse those lads got for the protests was awful, I didn’t understand it.

I’m all for your plans 100% paddock, cannot carry on like this. Sad thing is a lot that would of joined youse have gave up completely.


Its absolutely infuriating, make suggestions of stuff that can be done, and are people interested, everyone shuts up, not a peep. Yet they're on others thread calling the directors every name under the sun. I started a protest thread last night as a bit of a test, is anybody interested, would people back it, it's now fallen to the bottom of the page, sums it up.


Trouble is many who post on here dont actually go to games..or they live miles away...or they maybe realise until a new owner comes in if not this lot, who will run the club...terrible as it is at the moment

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26 Oct 2019 20:41 #17 by 182blue
I think it is right to say that it is bad form for people to take the piss out of those who try to organise some kind of protest.
I also think it’s important to remember and respect that people go to football matches for all sorts of reasons.
Of the 3000 that are left still going to games like the Northampton one now, most just want to watch a game of football.
People like going to games to get out the house, meet their mates, a bit of escapism, something to do. Also for traditional and sentimental reasons they show loyalty to their club, regardless of results and off-field affairs.
As Bumble suggested a few weeks back, a lot of folk that go to away trips like the experience of going to the game and all the day brings.
It is often suggested that there are lots of people who are very passionate about the club, but don’t go to games as a protest. Personally, I am not convinced, but it would be good if these thousands of boycotters could do-ordinate themselves in some way, if they do actually exist.
You get people saying that they can’t even be bothered to watch us live on BBC, so if that’s too much of a chore, I would imagine that getting far involved in the politics of the club is a bit of a stretch.

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26 Oct 2019 20:50 #18 by Alan
The custodians hate the fans
The supporters group hate the fans
The trust hate the fans
The fans hate each other.

Too many factions and splinter groups most with cocks wedged up the custodians arses to get anything near a protest going.

Need a figurehead to get everyone United and onside.

Who within reason could gain the respect and support of fanbase?

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26 Oct 2019 21:23 - 26 Oct 2019 21:24 #19 by High Street
Mach stewards are minimum wage social inadequates in a high viz vest. Great for intimidating 14 year olds with flags, anything that involves an adult, and the roided up ‘response’ knuckle draggers get called in.
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26 Oct 2019 21:25 #20 by Mr Quint
Well I reckon ‘Mr Coleman’ will be feeling pretty foolish tonight! He’ll be rueing publishing his so called ‘article’ after our board presided over such a convincing 1-1 draw with league two’s bestus side ever (with the name Leyton orient).

Coleman is clearly jealous, just

because The BOD are soooooo good looking, intelligent and loved by all.

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26 Oct 2019 21:34 #21 by Mullen103
Why is John Coleman writing articles about Carlisle United?

It’s Jon Colman

I’ve been agreeing with you a lot high street but the comment about stewards isn’t called for really! Yes there’s a few “dodgy” characters but the most are good and go above n beyond. Agree totally with the response team - took 3 of them running a couple of seasons ago to stop me sitting in the disabled section.

At least we’re not Stockport

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26 Oct 2019 21:40 - 26 Oct 2019 21:42 #22 by Kessler

paddockite wrote: Its absolutely infuriating, make suggestions of stuff that can be done, and are people interested, everyone shuts up, not a peep. Yet they're on others thread calling the directors every name under the sun.


Fans shouldn't be abusing the BOD. It's not constructive and you can't reasonably expect anyone to engage with you or give you answers if you just shout abuse and call them names. If you are unhappy with the current regime then you should be protesting and asking questions. Do it in a civil way, give them the opportunity to explain themselves. They look really bad each time they dodge or refuse to answer a perfectly civil question.

I feel there is an air of defeatism right now. A clear sense of unhappiness with the current regime but lack of willingness to protest because people think it might not change anything. I know it might not work, but what's the alternative? Do nothing and watch them kill the club? We might as well try.
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26 Oct 2019 21:43 #23 by borderterrier
The club is run by CLUBKILLERS

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26 Oct 2019 21:52 - 26 Oct 2019 21:53 #24 by paddockite

Kessler wrote:

paddockite wrote: Its absolutely infuriating, make suggestions of stuff that can be done, and are people interested, everyone shuts up, not a peep. Yet they're on others thread calling the directors every name under the sun.


Fans shouldn't be abusing the BOD. It's not constructive and you can't reasonably expect anyone to engage with you or give you answers if you just shout abuse and call them names. If you are unhappy with the current regime then you should be protesting and asking questions. Do it in a civil way, give them the opportunity to explain themselves. They look really bad each time they dodge or refuse to answer a perfectly civil question.

I feel there is an air of defeatism right now. A clear sense of unhappiness with the current regime but lack of willingness to protest because people think it might not change anything. I know it might not work, but what's the alternative? Do nothing and watch them kill the club? We might as well try.


As I've said further up, reading this board and viewing social media over the last week or so has been pretty infuriating. People have loads to say, a hell of a lot of it abusive since Tuesday towards the BOD, yet when someone asks for numbers for a protest, or would they back it, or a mass joining of the trust, or whatever it may be, they just go hiding, you don't hear a peep.

So I ask people again, is there appetite for a protest? Would people turn up and back this? Would people that don't go anymore, turn up with there mates at the ground for a protest?
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27 Oct 2019 10:54 #25 by Mr Quint
Yes, I would come to protest. I did this in 2001 vs Plymouth. When we stayed outside the ground.

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27 Oct 2019 11:00 #26 by Mr Quint
Where are The Trust in all this?
Talking of 2001 and Knighton makes me recall the genesis of ‘The supporters trust’.
Yeah we do need to join this organisation.
They surly should have a significant role in instigating some positive change?

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27 Oct 2019 11:09 #27 by ParcelPete

High Street wrote: Mach stewards are minimum wage social inadequates in a high viz vest. Great for intimidating 14 year olds with flags, anything that involves an adult, and the roided up ‘response’ knuckle draggers get called in.


Never thought of stewards being that fast to be honest.

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27 Oct 2019 11:28 - 27 Oct 2019 11:31 #28 by pacirv
If like the Knighton protest people go down to a home match with placards and just protest outside and not go in it should get the message through that enough is enough. I'd be up for that. But as stated it would need sufficient numbers for it to be effective so proper organisation would be imperative. Handing out flyers as well would be an idea maybe even the trust could be involved.
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27 Oct 2019 20:06 #29 by CUFC52

pacirv wrote: If like the Knighton protest people go down to a home match with placards and just protest outside and not go in it should get the message through that enough is enough. I'd be up for that. But as stated it would need sufficient numbers for it to be effective so proper organisation would be imperative. Handing out flyers as well would be an idea maybe even the trust could be involved.


Your lucky if you get a response of the trust when you contact them.

Asking them to get involved in something would be a disaster

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27 Oct 2019 21:11 #30 by Waltero
They'd have to get permission from the board first
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27 Oct 2019 22:45 #31 by beardosfringe
It's simple. Just stop going to home matches. Me & the wife have.
Had enough of the non entertainment, shite atmosphere, lack of ambition, shite ground and facilities and the total mis-management of the whole place. And frankly, we don't miss it. You find other things to do........
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27 Oct 2019 23:37 #32 by High Street
Yep. I can’t actually think of what Saturdays used to be like now l’ve stopped going. Stress free weekends now.

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31 Oct 2019 19:53 #33 by Wukkie
The only answer is to hit them where it hurts and that is in the pocket. They'll soon move along if there was less than 2500 going. Short term pain for long term gain.

I haven't been to a home match since around April 2017, some folk much longer.

People having a protest outside the ground and then putting the placards down to pay to get in will not achieve much as the failed regime is still getting propped up then.
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31 Oct 2019 20:59 #34 by Laffy
No point in a protest in my view-the three are locked in by EWM until the latter decides otherwise

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01 Nov 2019 10:44 #35 by Sammy Taylor

Wukkie wrote: The only answer is to hit them where it hurts and that is in the pocket. They'll soon move along if there was less than 2500 going. Short term pain for long term gain.

I haven't been to a home match since around April 2017, some folk much longer.

People having a protest outside the ground and then putting the placards down to pay to get in will not achieve much as the failed regime is still getting propped up then.



Like most fans i believe a change at the top of the club has to happen because new blood with new ideas is so badly needed.

Unfortunately the only thing that will happen if the gates drop to 2500 is the club are more likely to be relegated and may takes years to return to league status.
Also who will want to take over a club millions in debt and has gates of 2500.?
Is that what the majority of fans want .?.........I don`t think so .

Laffy is probably right when he says the ground and the club is controlled by E W M and they are the ones who will decide when change has to happen and who the new owners will be.

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10 Nov 2019 17:32 #37 by Mullen103
It’s why when the club does tell the truth - some people don’t believe it.

Q next Cusg clibbens will come out and say his words were misinterpreted.

At least we’re not Stockport
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