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CCU wrote:
sirjimmyglass wrote: So you're Prime Minister the day after the referendum. Do you just rip up the EU membership card and move on?
I’d ask David Cameron but he legged it when his side lost, leaving a complete mess behind having done sod all prep in case Leave won!
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CCU wrote:
sirjimmyglass wrote: So you're Prime Minister the day after the referendum. Do you just rip up the EU membership card and move on?
I’d ask David Cameron but he legged it when his side lost, leaving a complete mess behind having done sod all prep in case Leave won!
Ok then, the day after Cameron legged it you become Prime Minister. Do you just rip up the EU membership card and move on?
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CCU wrote:
sirjimmyglass wrote:
CCU wrote:
sirjimmyglass wrote: So you're Prime Minister the day after the referendum. Do you just rip up the EU membership card and move on?
I’d ask David Cameron but he legged it when his side lost, leaving a complete mess behind having done sod all prep in case Leave won!
Ok then, the day after Cameron legged it you become Prime Minister. Do you just rip up the EU membership card and move on?
No. You tell the EU you’ll be activating Article 50 as per the rules very shortly, then invite them for cordial talks regarding the withdrawal stating you’re more than happy to pay anything you’re legally signed up to and look forward to a future working together as neighbours.
The moment they start getting arsey you simply declare the talks over and wish them well.
The problem since the result of the referendum is we’ve pussy footed around, meek as can be, daring not to upset them!
We’re the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the fifth biggest economy in the world, we should’ve acted as such from day one...
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Dentonholmersimpson wrote: Corbyn,Mcdonell, Abbott, Thornbury, Starmer, Gardiner and all the rest of the shadow cabinet can be found on You Tube or whatever a year or so back, saying '' We are leaving the EU''.
Liars to a man. Sorry, can't say that anymore. Liars to what ever I identify as, today.
Boris and Co said that as well so in the context of this GE I'm not sure of your point? In 2017, when she had no majority, if May had sat down with Labour to work out a Brexit that everyone could live with we'd be out by now. Boris had a (terrible) deal that had passed through parliament and if he'd given parliament more than 3 days to scrutinise it we could have been out by January as well but instead he went on strike and called this election.
Now, Labour will work out the Brexit deal that can reunite the country and have it sorted in 6 months.
How on God's earth will Corbyn's Idea of having a vote for Remain against a vote to leave on the deal that is tantamount to staying in the EU
reunite the country, If there is a second referendum and either of those options win I, along with millions of others won't feel reunited, I will feel totally betrayed.
As for who is the most pro Russia, well pardon me, but I will always vote for a leader that will put this countries well being ahead of some bugger else's.
Do the Tories and their rich backers (including the Russian establishment) put Britain's well being first when they carve up services and infrastructure, which have been built by the British tax payer, and hand them over to a foreign government to run?Are they putting us first when they threaten to leave the country rather than pay their fair contribution to the society that made them rich?
How did Tory undermining of international law so that their could be no effective coalition against Russia (and in particularly the Russian establishment who back the Conservative party to the tune of £3.5m) look after our well being?
A Labour soft Brexit isn't what everyone wanted, including myself, but it's a compromise that reflects the 52:48 mandate. I think the upcoming referendum could have a big majority for it. If we want further separation in the longer term then we should take it as a starting point and campaign to win people over to our point of view.
Labour will put human rights, international law and tackling climate change at the heart of our international policies, and use our global influence to end the ‘bomb first, talk later’ approach to security. Patriotism is about supporting each other, not attacking somebody else.
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thesilentone wrote: But it's still a fact, like it or not. No shades of Grey, we voted out, end of.
No compromises, no hard, soft or medium rare. Out !!!
The Libundem knows she does not have a snowballs chance in hell of revoking article 50, she is trading for the in vote, she hopes will leave Labour and the Tories due to dithering.
Out is out, and to try and coerce, persuade, compromise, negotiate then referendum, then argue against the result if it's not what you want, is the rock Jezza will perish on.
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orfc wrote: Next week, Prime Minister Corbyn will finally clarify his position
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:
orfc wrote: Next week, Prime Minister Corbyn will finally clarify his position
Next week Jeremy Corbyn will be back in the gutter where he belongs with his scum momentum mates and then watch his loyal lieutenants jump ship as the moderates get their act back together.
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CCU wrote:
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CCU wrote:
sirjimmyglass wrote: So you're Prime Minister the day after the referendum. Do you just rip up the EU membership card and move on?
I’d ask David Cameron but he legged it when his side lost, leaving a complete mess behind having done sod all prep in case Leave won!
Ok then, the day after Cameron legged it you become Prime Minister. Do you just rip up the EU membership card and move on?
No. You tell the EU you’ll be activating Article 50 as per the rules very shortly, then invite them for cordial talks regarding the withdrawal stating you’re more than happy to pay anything you’re legally signed up to and look forward to a future working together as neighbours.
The moment they start getting arsey you simply declare the talks over and wish them well.
The problem since the result of the referendum is we’ve pussy footed around, meek as can be, daring not to upset them!
We’re the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the fifth biggest economy in the world, we should’ve acted as such from day one...
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Never mind [censored] cordial talks we just remind them that we are Britain the superior race and they'll do as they're [censored] told or else
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Never mind [censored] cordial talks we just remind them that we are Britain the superior race and they'll do as they're [censored] told or else
You really are a disgrace.
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CCU wrote:
Mammoth wrote: A Labour soft Brexit isn't what everyone wanted, including myself, but it's a compromise that reflects the 52:48 mandate.
There was nothing on my voting slip in 2016 about ‘soft’ Brexit and certainly no mention of ‘compromise’! This whole soft/hard is a load of codswallop.
We voted to leave the European Union, but the few (MP’s) have tried to stop the many (The 52%) from seeing their wish implemented...
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Laffy wrote: I doubt human rights and international law register with 99pc of the population Mammoth. Everytime we try to foist democracy on foreigners, we end up with a chaotic war
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Mammoth wrote:
CCU wrote:
Mammoth wrote: A Labour soft Brexit isn't what everyone wanted, including myself, but it's a compromise that reflects the 52:48 mandate.
There was nothing on my voting slip in 2016 about ‘soft’ Brexit and certainly no mention of ‘compromise’! This whole soft/hard is a load of codswallop.
We voted to leave the European Union, but the few (MP’s) have tried to stop the many (The 52%) from seeing their wish implemented...
I agree with all you've said there but the points you've left out are important as well.
The few MP's that have tried to stop the many include plenty of Conservatives, including Boris Johnson himself at times. Once they'd bunged £1billion to the DUP they did have a majority after all so the complete balls up they've made of delivering Brexit has been entirely their fault.
There was nothing on our voting slips about hard or soft Brexit, or no deal either. Many may have been comfortable with no deal but many would voted thinking that there is no way that no deal could happen and thinking that a Norway option or such like was most likely. Also, many people who voted for remain were also dissatisfied with our membership of the EU but they considered remain to be the safer option of two bad choices.
Only Labour is willing to reach across the Brexit divide to heal society. I reckon there is maybe 75% dissatisfaction with the status quo and Labour's safe Brexit deal that protects jobs, rights and the environment, avoids a hard border in Northern Ireland or the Irish Sea and protects the Good Friday Agreement, could get a big majority in the upcoming referendum.
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Mammoth wrote:
Do the Tories and their rich backers (including the Russian establishment) put Britain's well being first when they carve up services and infrastructure, which have been built by the British tax payer, and hand them over to a foreign government to run?Are they putting us first when they threaten to leave the country rather than pay their fair contribution to the society that made them rich?
How did Tory undermining of international law so that their could be no effective coalition against Russia (and in particularly the Russian establishment who back the Conservative party to the tune of £3.5m) look after our well being?
A Labour soft Brexit isn't what everyone wanted, including myself, but it's a compromise that reflects the 52:48 mandate. I think the upcoming referendum could have a big majority for it. If we want further separation in the longer term then we should take it as a starting point and campaign to win people over to our point of view.
Labour will put human rights, international law and tackling climate change at the heart of our international policies, and use our global influence to end the ‘bomb first, talk later’ approach to security. Patriotism is about supporting each other, not attacking somebody else.
And that is why you wont get elected 17.4 million people want to someone get on with kicking out as many foreigners as possible and making the lives of those left and a bit harder to shift much more difficult then they might realise theyre neither wanted or needed
A quadrupling of the Border Force budget would e a bloody good place to start.
And if Big Nige comes out of it with the balance of power expect it to start sooner rather than later
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topstepwhinger wrote: And therein lies the problem - for every leaver with a rational reason for leaving, there is a racist bigot with their insular, little Englander caveman mentality.
No-one is going to be happy with whatever deal or no deal ensues....so why bother!
Lets just call the whole thing off.
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topstepwhinger wrote: And therein lies the problem - for every leaver with a rational reason for leaving, there is a racist bigot with their insular, little Englander caveman mentality.
No-one is going to be happy with whatever deal or no deal ensues....so why bother!
Lets just call the whole thing off.
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Mammoth wrote:
NORTHERNSOUL wrote:
Mammoth wrote:
Do the Tories and their rich backers (including the Russian establishment) put Britain's well being first when they carve up services and infrastructure, which have been built by the British tax payer, and hand them over to a foreign government to run?Are they putting us first when they threaten to leave the country rather than pay their fair contribution to the society that made them rich?
How did Tory undermining of international law so that their could be no effective coalition against Russia (and in particularly the Russian establishment who back the Conservative party to the tune of £3.5m) look after our well being?
A Labour soft Brexit isn't what everyone wanted, including myself, but it's a compromise that reflects the 52:48 mandate. I think the upcoming referendum could have a big majority for it. If we want further separation in the longer term then we should take it as a starting point and campaign to win people over to our point of view.
Labour will put human rights, international law and tackling climate change at the heart of our international policies, and use our global influence to end the ‘bomb first, talk later’ approach to security. Patriotism is about supporting each other, not attacking somebody else.
And that is why you wont get elected 17.4 million people want to someone get on with kicking out as many foreigners as possible and making the lives of those left and a bit harder to shift much more difficult then they might realise theyre neither wanted or needed
A quadrupling of the Border Force budget would e a bloody good place to start.
And if Big Nige comes out of it with the balance of power expect it to start sooner rather than later
I think you're probably in a small minority there tbh. I was one of the 17.4 million leavers and your vision is certainly not what I'm looking for. A sensible and sustainable immigration policy which ends the Tory use of mass immigration as a tool to undermine workers rights is what I would like and Labour will deliver.
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High Street wrote:
Mammoth wrote:
NORTHERNSOUL wrote:
Mammoth wrote:
Do the Tories and their rich backers (including the Russian establishment) put Britain's well being first when they carve up services and infrastructure, which have been built by the British tax payer, and hand them over to a foreign government to run?Are they putting us first when they threaten to leave the country rather than pay their fair contribution to the society that made them rich?
How did Tory undermining of international law so that their could be no effective coalition against Russia (and in particularly the Russian establishment who back the Conservative party to the tune of £3.5m) look after our well being?
A Labour soft Brexit isn't what everyone wanted, including myself, but it's a compromise that reflects the 52:48 mandate. I think the upcoming referendum could have a big majority for it. If we want further separation in the longer term then we should take it as a starting point and campaign to win people over to our point of view.
Labour will put human rights, international law and tackling climate change at the heart of our international policies, and use our global influence to end the ‘bomb first, talk later’ approach to security. Patriotism is about supporting each other, not attacking somebody else.
And that is why you wont get elected 17.4 million people want to someone get on with kicking out as many foreigners as possible and making the lives of those left and a bit harder to shift much more difficult then they might realise theyre neither wanted or needed
A quadrupling of the Border Force budget would e a bloody good place to start.
And if Big Nige comes out of it with the balance of power expect it to start sooner rather than later
I think you're probably in a small minority there tbh. I was one of the 17.4 million leavers and your vision is certainly not what I'm looking for. A sensible and sustainable immigration policy which ends the Tory use of mass immigration as a tool to undermine workers rights is what I would like and Labour will deliver.
Are you 16? It was Labour that opened the door to mass immigration. Trying to blame it on ‘Tory immigration to undermine workers’ rights’ is complete revisionism. I’d wager that if imigration capping has ever been discussed before, youd be the first jumping up and down screaming racism.
Anyway, l’m sure the Labour policy of Remain, will not cut any immigration at all, seeing as its a part of EU membership.
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Laffy wrote: I shit ye not!
99pc of zero hours contract workers are happy with their status.Office for National Stats-not the Tory party
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thesilentone wrote: Although the satisfied of very satisfied on zero hours contracts is high (higher than those on full-time contracts) the numbers are falling since the referendum and now represent less than 3% of the employed.
The depressing thing is, almost half of the UK unemployed offered zero hours contracts have turned them down. Which is more than likely due to negative politicising. (or they are just lazy bxxgers)
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thesilentone wrote: Which is more than likely due to negative politicising. (or they are just lazy bxxgers)
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“It is not too late. We have an interview prepared. Oven-ready, as Mr Johnson likes to say” Andrew Neil issues a c… twitter.com/i/web/status/1…
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howoldboy wrote: You've done it again Al. Control yourself.
Hope you're wearing bike clips.
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whytakemypostcode wrote: "GET BREXIT DONE" shouts Boris and his chums. Oh how the masses who want Brexit completed and to go away are clueless...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50222315
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High Street wrote:
Are you 16? It was Labour that opened the door to mass immigration. Trying to blame it on ‘Tory immigration to undermine workers’ rights’ is complete revisionism. I’d wager that if imigration capping has ever been discussed before, youd be the first jumping up and down screaming racism.
Anyway, l’m sure the Labour policy of Remain, will not cut any immigration at all, seeing as its a part of EU membership.
And still the BBC ignore: Boris Johnson’s confrontation with a Single Mother after calling her & others an uppity… twitter.com/i/web/status/1…
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Mammoth wrote:
High Street wrote:
Are you 16? It was Labour that opened the door to mass immigration. Trying to blame it on ‘Tory immigration to undermine workers’ rights’ is complete revisionism. I’d wager that if imigration capping has ever been discussed before, youd be the first jumping up and down screaming racism.
Anyway, l’m sure the Labour policy of Remain, will not cut any immigration at all, seeing as its a part of EU membership.
I've said that and I put up the graph that shows it but the Conservatives have no intention of reducing mass immigration as it keeps pay down for low skilled workers so they are lying again about this while letting immigration peak under their watch.
www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics
Blair's New Labour was a neoliberal party that had abandoned the working class and implemented Conservative style policies. Corbyn's Labour isn't so if you want to see sustainable levels of immigration then you need to vote for real change with Labour.
Here's what Boris Johnson thinks of working people by the way, "drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless”.
And still the BBC ignore: Boris Johnson’s confrontation with a Single Mother after calling her & others an uppity… twitter.com/i/web/status/1…
Labour looks after workers and will stand up to the privileged to start making this country work for all of us .
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Mammoth wrote: Would you not be ashamed to be one of the voters who helped Boris surrender Northern Ireland over from UK to EU control with his feeble deal?
Vote Labour to preserve the NHS and the Union.
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Mammoth wrote: Would you not be ashamed to be one of the voters who helped Boris surrender Northern Ireland over from UK to EU control with his feeble deal?
Vote Labour to preserve the NHS and the Union.
Yep let's have an anti semite in charge he could also get some of Adolfs relatives on the front bench.
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