Dalian Atkinson Dead

Died 3am today, 90mins after being tasered by Police in Telford.
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its got to go down as man slaughter? will the police person responsible for firing it face up to this charge? i think not

PaddockRanger wrote: its got to go down as man slaughter? will the police person responsible for firing it face up to this charge? i think not

I think you are jumping the Gun without knowing any details there PR.

PaddockRanger wrote: its got to go down as man slaughter? will the police person responsible for firing it face up to this charge? i think not

Why would they be up for manslaughter?
Police aren't in the habit of just randomly smashing people with tasers, I'm guessing Dalian Atkinson was doing something to deserve being zapped in the first place.
Lets just burn everyone at the stake if they're doing their job eh? rivet.

we are told that a taser is a non lethal weapon to administer order and restraint are we not?

There's a fair bit of evidence that shows that in most cases it is....
if you can pick out someone with a Heart problem or another underlying issue just by looking at them, perhaps you're in the wrong job?
Utterly ridiculous to suggest trying someone for manslaughter because someone dies an hour and a half after being tasered isn't it?
If he was being crack-pot OTT aggressive and they couldn't calm him down, why shouldn't they taser him or anyone else?
Don't get this victim led crap, if your not kicking off you don't get tasered, it really is that simple in the UK.

Edit add:
If the police have followed procedure then there aren't any grounds for dragging that copper through the courts, they wouldn't even consider it beyond the inevitable IPCC investigation.

HuntingHorn wrote: There's a fair bit of evidence that shows that in most cases it is....
if you can pick out someone with a Heart problem or another underlying issue just by looking at them, perhaps you're in the wrong job?
Utterly ridiculous to suggest trying someone for manslaughter because someone dies an hour and a half after being tasered isn't it?
If he was being crack-pot OTT aggressive and they couldn't calm him down, why shouldn't they taser him or anyone else?
Don't get this victim led crap, if your not kicking off you don't get tasered, it really is that simple in the UK.

Edit add:
If the police have followed procedure then there aren't any grounds for dragging that copper through the courts, they wouldn't even consider it beyond the inevitable IPCC investigation.

it wouldn't happen anyway (police being prosecuted), but the police are the biggest gangs throughout the world, the UK is no different. you also only know what is reported in a corrupt media.

Wow, paranoid much? Keep the tinfoil hat on, they may be reading this....
Even if the media IS corrupt, when was the last time you were tasered just minding your own business walking down botch?

It's not South Africa or Thailand.

It's never happened to me, and it has never happened to anyone I know.

Going to the complete opposite way of jumping to conclusions, and there is no basis behind this at all, but he could have taken some sort of legal (now illegal high), gone absolutely apeshi!t and then needed be controlled; and the combination of chemicals and taser are what killed him.

HuntingHorn wrote: Wow, paranoid much? Keep the tinfoil hat on, they may be reading this....
Even if the media IS corrupt, when was the last time you were tasered just minding your own business walking down botch?

It's not South Africa or Thailand.

no, not paranoia.....but ever since 9/11 im certainly looking beyond media press and the police state we are in.

PaddockRanger wrote:

HuntingHorn wrote: Wow, paranoid much? Keep the tinfoil hat on, they may be reading this....
Even if the media IS corrupt, when was the last time you were tasered just minding your own business walking down botch?

It's not South Africa or Thailand.

no, not paranoia.....but ever since 9/11 im certainly looking beyond media press and the police state we are in.

oh dear lord...you DO wear a tin foil hat!
9/11 was an inside job, The Illuminati are behind it all, they're trying to dumb us down with chem trails and Rupert Murdoch is their media mogul.....ffs
Really does take all sorts....we'll never agree PaddockRanger

There is no doubt that in certain Countries the Police are above the Law, look at the Yanks, completely lost the plot. There is no doubt the CIA has blood on it's hands as it manipulates World politics, but, the average bobby on the street in Telford, I don't think so...

thesilentone wrote: There is no doubt that in certain Countries the Police are above the Law, look at the Yanks, completely lost the plot. There is no doubt the CIA has blood on it's hands as it manipulates World politics, but, the average bobby on the street in Telford, I don't think so...

the average bobby in Telford are dictated to by their superiors are they not? did you know that CCTV ops, traffic wardens and security workers have been instructed by their superiors to assume the powers of the police in preparation for WW3 or the likes.

Maybe someone should ask Seesaw to write a letter.

PaddockRanger wrote:

thesilentone wrote: There is no doubt that in certain Countries the Police are above the Law, look at the Yanks, completely lost the plot. There is no doubt the CIA has blood on it's hands as it manipulates World politics, but, the average bobby on the street in Telford, I don't think so...

the average bobby in Telford are dictated to by their superiors are they not? did you know that CCTV ops, traffic wardens and security workers have been instructed by their superiors to assume the powers of the police in preparation for WW3 or the likes.

Seriously???
You actually believe this stuff?
You think some Sergeant in Telford sent the response shift out to kill someone with a taser?? Is he a very disgruntled Birmingham City fan too? Maybe the illuminati just hate all 1990's footballers?
Are you listening to the absurdity of what your saying?
I also know a traffic warden and I can promise you she hasn't had any notification she's taking over from the police at any time in the future.

.....not so sure about traffic wardens, I'm certain they are under the control of the Bilderberg Group................

thesilentone wrote: .....not so sure about traffic wardens, I'm certain they are under the control of the Bilderberg Group................

Did you know that hairdressers are in the employment of the government? Hair are aerials to the cosmos, they transmit messages directly into the brain....this is the reason bald men are up tight

Been a while since there was a good wind-up merchant on here, well done PaddockRanger!

HuntingHorn wrote:

PaddockRanger wrote: its got to go down as man slaughter? will the police person responsible for firing it face up to this charge? i think not

Why would they be up for manslaughter?
Police aren't in the habit of just randomly smashing people with tasers, I'm guessing Dalian Atkinson was doing something to deserve being zapped in the first place.
Lets just burn everyone at the stake if they're doing their job eh? rivet.

Err excuse me but yes they are. Two examples in Lancashire 1] a lad who did no more than call a copper a knob one Friday night in Blackburn was tasered with no warning whatsoever after the copper completely lost his rag.The lad now has statements from 20 independent witnesses who all back up his story. The copper involved wasnt even suspended until the story hit the local media.

2] The disabled guy in his 70.s who was making his way home on his walking sticks at 11pm after an evening at the pub The cops said they believed he was responsible for a burglary at a third floor flat the guy isnt even capable of climbing stairs. They said they tasered him because he failed to respond to their requests to stop the reason for that is that he is stone deaf.

The Taser is a useful tool when used in the way that it was meant to be ie when an officers life or safety is at threat and the number of times each badge number has deployed his weapon in a rolling year should be made public on the net then we can see just whos trigger happy and who isnt.

"a lad who did no more than call a copper a knob one Friday night in Blackburn was tasered with no warning whatsoever"

Not sure about that case but I think they should taser a few more of the little scroats who make people's life a misery on a regular basis with their anti social behaviour. Might make them think twice! And if one or two die it's just hard luck.

First off RIP Dalian, what a great footballer he was. Such a waste of life

The Police really need to reconsider the use of these lethal weapons or allow the public to carry them to protect themselves from over zealous cuntstables

Was this the dude you were on about Northern?

A 61-year-old blind man Tasered in the back by police who thought his stick was a samurai sword has been offered an undisclosed sum by Lancashire police after it admitted using excessive force.
It is understood to be the first case involving a Taser where a police force has admitted using unreasonable use of force and accepted that the officer did not conduct an adequate risk assessment before discharging the weapon.
The 61-year-old stroke victim, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was walking to meet friends at his local pub in Chorley in 2012 when a police officer mistook his white cane for a sword.

Nothing to do with this case but Jean Charles de Menezes didn't do anything wrong.

It's right we shouldn't automatically blame the police but equally we shouldn't automatically assume whatever happens the person deserved it.

walwynlegend wrote: Nothing to do with this case but Jean Charles de Menezes didn't do anything wrong.

It's right we shouldn't automatically blame the police but equally we shouldn't automatically assume whatever happens the person deserved it.

terrible example, that poor devil was in the wrong place at the wrong time Running off when asked to stop immediately after a terrorist bomb had just gone off in the Underground was not the wisest thing to do.

In the same circumstances, if you were the Copper involved what would you have done ?

walwynlegend wrote: Nothing to do with this case but Jean Charles de Menezes didn't do anything wrong.

It's right we shouldn't automatically blame the police but equally we shouldn't automatically assume whatever happens the person deserved it.

He done a runner because his passport had a forged stamp to remain in the UK although he did have right to remain in the country for three month as he arrived via the Irish Republic.

walwynlegend wrote: Nothing to do with this case but Jean Charles de Menezes didn't do anything wrong.

It's right we shouldn't automatically blame the police but equally we shouldn't automatically assume whatever happens the person deserved it.

Theoretically he did nowt wrong that should have got him shot but......... If you're an overstayer who decides to run like [censored] while carrying a rucksack in a tube station during a period of heightened security following terrorist atacks, well...........you could see what might happen...

The comments above about not getting tazered if your not being an arse is generally the case, however, mistakes are made, bad decisions are made by human beings like you and me and tragedy can ensue.

Dancingbear wrote:

definitely a cut and dried case, the Zoom in reveals all.................at last an answer.

thesilentone and Bruntonpasty
He didn't run away. He was never asked to stop.
That's exactly the kind of wrong assumption that I'm talking about.
It was the police who vaulted the barrier chasing him.
I've spoken to an armed police officer who confirmed he was completely innocent.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/seve...is-life-1064466.html

thesilentone wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

definitely a cut and dried case, the Zoom in reveals all.................at last an answer.

Does make you wonder why this hasnt been shown by the main stream media. Paddockranger will be having a bad do.

Dancingbear wrote:

thesilentone wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

definitely a cut and dried case, the Zoom in reveals all.................at last an answer.

Does make you wonder why this hasnt been shown by the main stream media. Paddockranger will be having a bad do.

A bad do over what? The truth will always come out if people don't want to settle for the bullshit. Just ask the families of the 96 @ Hillsborough.

PaddockRanger wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

thesilentone wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

definitely a cut and dried case, the Zoom in reveals all.................at last an answer.

Does make you wonder why this hasnt been shown by the main stream media. Paddockranger will be having a bad do.

A bad do over what? The truth will always come out if people don't want to settle for the bullshit. Just ask the families of the 96 @ Hillsborough.

So it was Kyle all along. Ive always had my doubts. Think he was a secret agent for Mossad or summat?

nobbyblue wrote: "a lad who did no more than call a copper a knob one Friday night in Blackburn was tasered with no warning whatsoever"

Not sure about that case but I think they should taser a few more of the little scroats who make people's life a misery on a regular basis with their anti social behaviour. Might make them think twice! And if one or two die it's just hard luck.

NB Not the case here at all the lad is in his forties with no criminal record whatsoever however he is built like a brick shit house he wasnt pissed and had watched the copper in question acting like an arse for 15 mins culminating in him putting an 18 year old slightly built girl to the ground just because she wouldnt leave the town centre now why that entitles him to put her to the ground is beyond me.if hed been serious he would of issued a dispersal notice on her not thrown her to the ground and the lad in question did no more than comment on his totally out of order actions.

In the statements the witnesses have given to his solicitors the phrase that comes up over and over again is that the copper had completely lost it and was out of control. Both the girl and the lad are now suing him and the last i saw on it was that it looks like Lancs Police have seen sense and cut him loose and will likely end up paying 50k each to both of them.

There are good coppers and bad coppers but if they want the respect of the public then they have to earn that respect and that involves keeping their tasers in their holsters except when their lives are threatened and not using them as a tool to overpower people just because its easier than the way theyre supposed to do it.

Local T.V. reports confirm that the two police officers were not wearing body cameras.
A witness (White middle-aged woman) interviewed on Midlands news claimed that after the tazering she saw both officers kicking "an African man lying on the ground"; however, the reporter could not find any body else who witnessed this part of the event.
Returning from the match on Saturday the train was stopped north of Lancaster and then delayed for met by the police at the station where at least 2 Rangers fans were led away in cuffs having slashed a passenger's face. Although I did not witness the incident I did feel angry about it and if I had been one of the arresting officers would probably being all too ready to use a tazer.
I have not heard anything further about the assault but it is being taken seriously as the Virgin Train was taken out of service at Lancaster as it was a crime scene and required for forensics
My memories of Dalian Atkinson include the wonder goal he scored for the viler at Wimbledon and then danced behind the goal holding a brolly, and Karen Brady asking if he was Big Ron's son.

nobbyblue wrote: "a lad who did no more than call a copper a knob one Friday night in Blackburn was tasered with no warning whatsoever"

Not sure about that case but I think they should taser a few more of the little scroats who make people's life a misery on a regular basis with their anti social behaviour. Might make them think twice! And if one or two die it's just hard luck.

Shame they never adopted that when Celtic went in 2003. Something similar was never reported regarding a carry on where some people were arrested/man handled following Rovers v Man U about 12 year ago, few lads got decent pay outs due to OTT Policing. Worst one on this topic was the Pratt who managed to kill the fella at Liverpool Street due to an urge to man handle someone.

And to think some people want to arm the regular Police.

I see or have read that 2 coppers are under criminal investigation for Atkinson's death. The coppers are also being ruled by gross misconduct at work.......but no suspension. Crazy world like

walwynlegend wrote: thesilentone and Bruntonpasty
He didn't run away. He was never asked to stop.
That's exactly the kind of wrong assumption that I'm talking about.
It was the police who vaulted the barrier chasing him.
I've spoken to an armed police officer who confirmed he was completely innocent.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/seve...is-life-1064466.html

Nowhere in that article does it say he was never asked to stop or that he didn't run away.

Again, this was highlighted by the jury, who said that the police's decision not to stop Mr de Menezes before he got on any public transport led to his death.

The only dispute is whether they shouted "armed police" and he stood up or if they just shot him in his seat without any warnings.
Can you show any articles (not press reports shortly after the shooting) where the police claim he refused to stop and ran away?