The Brexit Thread

They’d rather do anything to feed their sheep, regardless of how it effects anyone.
Indy is the answer, what is the question.

Laffy wrote: I’m taking bets we will be out end of month-care to wager?

9/4 that we will have left by end of October so go fill your boots there.

I'll take you up on that wager.

I don't have a million quid like you do. So shall we say the loser makes a ten quid donation to the winners charity of choice?

It suits Johnson that Brexit is delayed once again, provided he doesn't get the blame for it. From the outset he's wanted only one thing from Brexit, to be PM. He sees setting up a 'people v parliament' narrative for the next election as the best way for him to win an election and to become PM with an actual majority.

If he really wanted Brexit to be done he could've went ahead with the big vote on Saturday when he seemingly had the numbers. But then he wouldve missed out on some good headlines...

In all these debates there's a real tendency for remainders to ask about consequences, facts, details, what-ifs and hows. Leavers don't care about all that. They just want out.

This is because Brexit for many is a protest, a way to be heard, to act against the increasing complexity and abstraction of modern Life. To get back to basics.

The EU is a powerful focus for these feelings and aims.

Hence the diatribes against Brussels bureaucrats, the "leave means leave" and the "take back control".

Futile for remainers to critique this as it comes from a powerful sense of alienation. It's real and genuine.

Hence the leaver's support for Boris, despite the fact that he is a consummate politician, in many ways the embodiment of the "elites" they attack. He has identified with the above feelings and aims.

Any political group that wants to govern must be able to speak to these feelings and aims, while being careful to do what's right for the country and cut through the polarizations and poisonous half truths that are being tossed about for cynical purposes.

Albert, you must accept we live in a democratic Country, there is no protest vote, or conspiracy, we (like many other EU citizens) have had a gutfull of being told what we can and can't do. We want to be free from EU bureaucracy to row out own canoe, and unlike you, most are not frightened to lose sight of the shore.

Be gallant Albert, accept democracy for what it is.........The will of the people.

If you like protesters or protests, you should have been in London on Saturday.

thesilentone wrote: Albert, you must accept we live in a democratic Country, there is no protest vote, or conspiracy, we (like many other EU citizens) have had a gutfull of being told what we can and can't do. We want to be free from EU bureaucracy to row out own canoe, and unlike you, most are not frightened to lose sight of the shore.

Be gallant Albert, accept democracy for what it is.........The will of the people.

If you like protesters or protests, you should have been in London on Saturday.

What are the EU telling you that you can't do?

thesilentone wrote: Albert, you must accept we live in a democratic Country, there is no protest vote, or conspiracy, we (like many other EU citizens) have had a gutfull of being told what we can and can't do. We want to be free from EU bureaucracy to row out own canoe, and unlike you, most are not frightened to lose sight of the shore.

Be gallant Albert, accept democracy for what it is.........The will of the people.

If you like protesters or protests, you should have been in London on Saturday.

I thought I was accepting the genuine leave perceptions in my last tome. I do acknowledge those and do accept the referendum. I do not accept statements about bendy bananas, Abu Hamza or state aid being denied by EU. I maintain that Brexit for many (not all, it ain't that simple) is more about feelings and a burning desire to change how we live than technicalities or details about how the EU actually affects our daily lives. Nothing wrong with that. I am trying to understand that. Does everyone try to understand and acknowledge?

orfc wrote:

thesilentone wrote: Albert, you must accept we live in a democratic Country, there is no protest vote, or conspiracy, we (like many other EU citizens) have had a gutfull of being told what we can and can't do. We want to be free from EU bureaucracy to row out own canoe, and unlike you, most are not frightened to lose sight of the shore.

Be gallant Albert, accept democracy for what it is.........The will of the people.

If you like protesters or protests, you should have been in London on Saturday.

What are the EU telling you that you can't do?

Well, one thing that got me was when we (the UK) brought several terrorists to book who were using the the UK as a safe heaven, but continued to preach hatred. As well as those who stood the route when the bodies of our dead soldiers returned from wars, and were not given the full respect they deserved, but were called 'baby killers ' .

We tried to bring them to justice and in some cases, deport them to where they came from, only to be challenged by Lawyers in the EU Courts of Human Rights, and to be told we could not take the action we wanted as we infringed on their human rights.

In addition, it is known many Terrorists live in the UK, using the EU Human Right Laws to protect them against there actions in the Countries they originated from, who have far more severe punishments than we do.

thesilentone wrote:

orfc wrote:

thesilentone wrote: Albert, you must accept we live in a democratic Country, there is no protest vote, or conspiracy, we (like many other EU citizens) have had a gutfull of being told what we can and can't do. We want to be free from EU bureaucracy to row out own canoe, and unlike you, most are not frightened to lose sight of the shore.

Be gallant Albert, accept democracy for what it is.........The will of the people.

If you like protesters or protests, you should have been in London on Saturday.

What are the EU telling you that you can't do?

Well, one thing that got me was when we (the UK) brought several terrorists to book who were using the the UK as a safe heaven, but continued to preach hatred. As well as those who stood the route when the bodies of our dead soldiers returned from wars, and were not given the full respect they deserved, but were called 'baby killers ' .

We tried to bring them to justice and in some cases, deport them to where they came from, only to be challenged by Lawyers in the EU Courts of Human Rights, and to be told we could not take the action we wanted as we infringed on their human rights.

In addition, it is known many Terrorists live in the UK, using the EU Human Right Laws to protect them against there actions in the Countries they originated from, who have far more severe punishments than we do.

Deportation of foreign criminals convicted of major crimes is hard to stop, here's some lefty hand wringers guide -->
www.freemovement.org.uk/what-is-the-law-...-their-human-rights/
Basically if you've committed a crime worthy of 4+ years you really have to prove you'll get killed when you go back home.

Extradition is also not prevented by the ECHR unless there's evidence the criminal will be treated inhumanely. Abu Hamza got fired out to the US - I think the only stipulation was he couldn't face the death penalty and he wouldn't be waterboarded non-stop.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri


Sure it takes time to wriggle through the court systems, but 90% of these "EU say we can't" tales turn out to be the UK government using the EU as an excuse not to try.

AlbertRoss wrote:

thesilentone wrote: Albert, you must accept we live in a democratic Country, there is no protest vote, or conspiracy, we (like many other EU citizens) have had a gutfull of being told what we can and can't do. We want to be free from EU bureaucracy to row out own canoe, and unlike you, most are not frightened to lose sight of the shore.

Be gallant Albert, accept democracy for what it is.........The will of the people.

If you like protesters or protests, you should have been in London on Saturday.

I thought I was accepting the genuine leave perceptions in my last tome. I do acknowledge those and do accept the referendum. I do not accept statements about bendy bananas, Abu Hamza or state aid being denied by EU. I maintain that Brexit for many (not all, it ain't that simple) is more about feelings and a burning desire to change how we live than technicalities or details about how the EU actually affects our daily lives. Nothing wrong with that. I am trying to understand that. Does everyone try to understand and acknowledge?

I think you will find the state aid issue has been misrepresented. You cannot receive state aid twice, and the Steel Industry was already partially supported through the various EU schemes that are available.

As regards human rights, the UK is a beacon of hope for most of the World as being fair and moderate, for this we can thank our laws, Policing and Justice System. We do not need or want a EU Court to undermine this.

Had the EU been a fair and equal state (as it aspires to be), with each Country on a level playing field, we would not be where we are today. But it isn't, for which you can thank the Krauts. The ERM was designed to bring stability to exchange rates, however to be part of this ' fixing ' of the rates, each Country had to qualify to a raft of financial targets such as inflation, unemployment, interest rates etc, etc, etc.

The Krauts paranoia about the Ruskies invading and annexing Countries that may end up bordering them, meant the above rules were torn up, and several Countries who's economies were way out of line with that of EU were allowed to join.

Then of course the mass migration of workers on a pittance in there own Countries, moved around the EU for a better life, and you can't blame them.

But, there was no EU plan to accommodate them, so housing, transport, education, health and all the service required were/are not in-line with the massive increase of population, for which in our case (UK Citizens) as taxpayers we have pick up the bill and all the other issues the free movement of people demands. The counter argument is that EU workers add to the economy and pay taxes, to which I agree, however you cannot build new homes, hospitals, schools and everything else needed overnight. So control was needed but ignored to protect a poorly thought out EU Policy.

This policy should have been supported by something like the ERM, so it was managed and controlled. But, NO, Nein... This has led to social problems EU wide, and given a rise to right wing political parties and views, and this momentum is continuing.

Historically you know the outcome of this shift in politics and it's outcome.

Not for me I'm afraid, and if leaving the EU is the price to pay for British Moderation, then it's gets my support.

I should add what may have been a solution to the mass migration problem.

1) Limited by numbers per year to allow the accommodating Country time to facilitate.
2) A price per capita as a credit or debit per person to the Country who' population falls and increased.
3) No rights to social support until a credit or bond is in place.
4) A increase or decrease in EU contributions based in 2 above.

As it is, it does not matter, as we are leaving.

thesilentone wrote: As regards human rights, the UK is a beacon of hope for most of the World as being fair and moderate, for this we can thank our laws, Policing and Justice System. We do not need or want a EU Court to undermine this.

You just spent the post before this moaning the EU human rights act meant that the fair and moderate UK couldn't send people back to middle eastern shitholes, make your mind up

Lol.

The main point of a Custard Union amendment isn't that Labour really want to be in a Custard or any kind of Milk/Egg Union but that it changes the withdrawal agreement to something very different to what Boris agreed with the EU. At which point Boris takes his ball home again because he'd have to do some hard work otherwise.

I think Boris’s best line last week was on Corbyn’s policy

‘His policy of cake is of neither having it,nor eating it’

orfc wrote:

thesilentone wrote: As regards human rights, the UK is a beacon of hope for most of the World as being fair and moderate, for this we can thank our laws, Policing and Justice System. We do not need or want a EU Court to undermine this.

You just spent the post before this moaning the EU human rights act meant that the fair and moderate UK couldn't send people back to middle eastern shitholes, make your mind up

Fair and moderate to the fair and moderate people, not International Terrorists, who I would have sent to the glue factory....as ingredients !

Cheers good to get some detail.

No surprises there.

European Convention on Human Rights and the Court have NOTHING to do with the EU.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/what-euro...vention-human-rights

BelleVueBoy wrote: European Convention on Human Rights and the Court have NOTHING to do with the EU.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/what-euro...vention-human-rights

Don't give us that liberal elitist bollokcs. What about bendy bananas and bagged kippers eh?

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He had his vote on Saturday, it passed by default with the Letwin amendment.
So of course, instead of trying to pass the required legislation to acheive Brexit with his 'fantastically shite deal', Boris decides he didn't like that result (which the government could have dissented against on Saturday but didn't) and tried to run the same debate again (against Parliamentary rules).

Pass the legislation required and he gets his exit.

Another small one, the house were supposed to be debating the Queen's speech today. The Queen's speech Boris so desperately needed to sort out urgent domestic policies. Have they suddenly evaporated or is the government to busy trying to obtain something they already possess again?

Only seems like yesterday when Boris was promising us £350m a week for the NHS and all these fantastic trade deals we could sign when we were free of the eu. Now it's, let's ignore the catastrophic effect on the economy and just vote for my deal before you even get to read it. Boris Johnson, making Steven Pressley look like a chess grand master

That’s a first Marko-responding to your own posts in the absence of any third party response!

I can tell you this endless delay caused by Jezza and Elsie is impacting on the economy-seeing it first hand.

The only delay is from the Government Laffy, they got the green light for their brexit deal on Saturday. They're the one's arsing around trying to fight for something they already have (Brexit in a nutshell)
Pass the legislation required and brexit happens.

£350m Brexit claim was 'too low', says Boris Johnson 16 January 2026

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42698981

Lol II

The HOC is mostly remain, this we all know (unless you are dead)

So, the only way to get Brexit done is Political Chicanery, and the only way to block Brexit is the same.

This is the game now, the people are an irrelevance.

The HOC is now the Controlling Party as the Government has no majority, and no GE is likely until they get there way, which appears to be another referendum.

Another referendum may be required, however i doubt it will be conclusive, as the result will be similar or an even bigger majority for leave.

The Politicians 'will promise we will deliver the will of the people' again, and unless the majority is for remain, they simply won't. We know that...........

So, we are stuck in limbo..........

If you're living in Shettleston on a couple of hundred quid dole money a week and you think Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Rupert Murdoch have your interests at heart she needs something stronger to catch you

I think as long as the next referendum is guaranteed Brexit but just customs union or not, most people would accept the result. No doubt a customs union would be better for frictionless trade with the EU but would stop ambitious or fanciful trade deals elsewhere in the world. I think most people are ambivalent to or couldn't be bothered about the idea of a customs union with the EU.

Is Shuttleston where Nanny was from?
Did you spend many happy day there in the school holidays dressed up like Jimmy Krankie.

Can just see it now
One Hilarious vision.

Cant beat laughing at a good old public school toff boys expence.

BTW

Consider yourself ignored.

Jimmy pal.

carwash wrote: I think as long as the next referendum is guaranteed Brexit but just customs union or not, most people would accept the result. No doubt a customs union would be better for frictionless trade with the EU but would stop ambitious or fanciful trade deals elsewhere in the world. I think most people are ambivalent to or couldn't be bothered about the idea of a customs union with the EU.

Unless another referendum gave a remain majority, the HOC would not honour the result, no matter what.

The majority in the HOC either toe the party line, or are remain.

Everyone needs to think carefully about the future tick in the box at the next general election, OR who the local committee put up for it's candidate.

During this process, anyone who has ignored their constituents, or voted with the opposition should be voted or kicked out.

If this is followed, perhaps the parties we support may listen in future.

In my experience most inhabitants of Shettleston have absolutely no intention of working-they are quite happy on the dole.

Elsie of course likes Shettleston because it is ripe for offering hope via independence-the reality is it’s preying on the weakness and the poor.

Certainly agree with the first part. Certain areas of the country do have issues with an element that chooses not to work preferring to sit home and collect dole. Being in Scotland we have no requirement to show 35 hours a week looking for work and no sanctioning as well.
Shettleston MP is Thomas Kerr, Tory. So an area with high unemployment and endemic poverty returned a party that hasn't increased benefits in 9 years. Preying on the vulnerable, and as our sample of 1 on here shows no love of independence. Very sad, the people who most need help have been persuaded to vote against it.

Sums up politics on all sides to a t its dire situation at best.

That the devolved benefits that Nicoliar asked Big Bad Westmonster to administrate atbthe cost of £23m per year?

I hope this isn't why some are so Pro-EU

"As the clock ticks down to Brexit, EU sex workers, living and working in the UK are demanding the
right to stay on the basis of their work and the contribution they are making to the survival of
families and even communities. Sex workers are disadvantaged and discriminated against as sex
work isn’t recognised as work in the UK. Many people therefore don’t have the documentation,
including the record of waged work that is needed to establish a right to stay in the UK.
Arrests and deportations of EU migrant sex workers have been rising, particularly since the Brexit
referendum in 2016. The English Collective of Prostitutes (ECP) has compiled case studies of
some of the women in our network who have been targeted by the police and immigration officials
over the last five years, and who in some cases have successfully defeated attempts to deport
them.
With the help of Legal Action for Women and in a few cases, lawyers, we researched legal rulings
and found that sex workers can claim self-employed status which entitles
women to reside in the UK. We prepared letters laying out sex workers rights which women
carried along with our rights sheet. But no precedent has been established so each woman still
has to fight her individual case. "

If they are EU citizens how can they be deported

They get on a plane.

thesilentone wrote: I hope this isn't why some are so Pro-EU

"As the clock ticks down to Brexit, EU sex workers, living and working in the UK are demanding the
right to stay on the basis of their work and the contribution they are making to the survival of
families and even communities. Sex workers are disadvantaged and discriminated against as sex
work isn’t recognised as work in the UK. Many people therefore don’t have the documentation,
including the record of waged work that is needed to establish a right to stay in the UK.
Arrests and deportations of EU migrant sex workers have been rising, particularly since the Brexit
referendum in 2016. The English Collective of Prostitutes (ECP) has compiled case studies of
some of the women in our network who have been targeted by the police and immigration officials
over the last five years, and who in some cases have successfully defeated attempts to deport
them.
With the help of Legal Action for Women and in a few cases, lawyers, we researched legal rulings
and found that sex workers can claim self-employed status which entitles
women to reside in the UK. We prepared letters laying out sex workers rights which women
carried along with our rights sheet. But no precedent has been established so each woman still
has to fight her individual case. "

As soon as I read this I knew I had to do something

Earlier they voted and the Government did get the deal through.

329 to 299

So, finally we have an agreement on the deal.......

thesilentone wrote: I hope this isn't why some are so Pro-EU

"As the clock ticks down to Brexit, EU sex workers, living and working in the UK are demanding the
right to stay on the basis of their work and the contribution they are making to the survival of
families and even communities. Sex workers are disadvantaged and discriminated against as sex
work isn’t recognised as work in the UK. Many people therefore don’t have the documentation,
including the record of waged work that is needed to establish a right to stay in the UK.
Arrests and deportations of EU migrant sex workers have been rising, particularly since the Brexit
referendum in 2016. The English Collective of Prostitutes (ECP) has compiled case studies of
some of the women in our network who have been targeted by the police and immigration officials
over the last five years, and who in some cases have successfully defeated attempts to deport
them.
With the help of Legal Action for Women and in a few cases, lawyers, we researched legal rulings
and found that sex workers can claim self-employed status which entitles
women to reside in the UK. We prepared letters laying out sex workers rights which women
carried along with our rights sheet. But no precedent has been established so each woman still
has to fight her individual case. "

Not just the sex workers - what about the strippers!

Tick tock, tick tock.

thesilentone wrote: Earlier they voted and the Government did get the deal through.

329 to 299

So, finally we have an agreement on the deal.......

Not quite.
They (the house) voted to continue the debate & proper scrutiny by passing the bill through to the next stage of the process... ie giving the government a chance to sell it and reach a consensus/agreement.

After the house failed to fall for the double glazing salesman pressure selling shtick, the government (Boris) halted that process by placing the bill into limbo instead using any of the myriad of methods which would have allowed the process to continue immediately (or at least today).

To be very clear: The government (Boris) have delayed brexit by halting the processes required to pass the deal.

Yet another broken promise (lie) from Boris to add to the extremely long list.

feckwittery wrote:

thesilentone wrote: Earlier they voted and the Government did get the deal through.

329 to 299

So, finally we have an agreement on the deal.......

Not quite.
They (the house) voted to continue the debate & proper scrutiny by passing the bill through to the next stage of the process... ie giving the government a chance to sell it and reach a consensus/agreement.

After the house failed to fall for the double glazing salesman pressure selling shtick, the government (Boris) halted that process by placing the bill into limbo instead using any of the myriad of methods which would have allowed the process to continue immediately (or at least today).

To be very clear: The government (Boris) have delayed brexit by halting the processes required to pass the deal.

Yet another broken promise (lie) from Boris to add to the extremely long list.

You really are deluded arnt you.

Excellent. General election, wipe out Labour and Liberals and put Blackford on the dole and get Brexit done.

Government finally wins a vote and announces a triumphant new directi…….ah [censored]! Never mind

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