This **** needs taken out .

Bluedazblue wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote:

Bluedazblue wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote: If she is such a great threat then surely we want her over here, in prison and being deradicalised rather than somewhere that we aren't able to keep an eye on her ?

As the secret barrister said "for the rule of law to mean anything, it has to apply to all of us. Including those who would do us the most harm"

All Javid is trying to do is get some tough guy points, whilst dumping a problem created over here on another country and pretending that stripping a 17yr old of her citizenship somehow makes her disappear.

If she came back there is no guarantee that she will be convicted of anything, at least that is what legal commentators in the media have said. So she might never see a prison but be free to carry on living freely in the UK at the taxpayers' expense.

Would the 'Secret Barrister' want her for a neighbour? I doubt it. No doubt the 'Secret Barrister' lives in a nice house well away from such problems. Some other poor soul will have to put up with having someone who has signed up to a death cult living next door.

She isn't 17 she's 19 and therefore an adult.

It's also possible that she could come back realising she made a massive mistake as an impressionable 15 year old. Accept the consequences of that decision and go on to be a contributing member if our society, why is there the assumption that she would want to "live freely at the taxpayers expense" rather than get a job and raise her child ?

But obviously she will need support to deradicalise and for the PTSD she more than likely has.

I'm sure with that with 'Jihadi bride and ISIS member' on her C.V, employers will be lining up to give her a job.

Maybe you could suggest some suitable professions?

Deckchairblues house keeper or child minder seeing as she would be welcome to live next door anyhow ?

That's not hard to solve is it.

As others have said, all of this is just a distraction tactic by the government, hence why there has been hundreds of people who have already come back and nothing at all has been said. Not a coincidence that the government is in a tricky place so this bit of news suddenly crops up.

DeckchairBlue wrote:
As others have said, all of this is just a distraction tactic by the government, hence why there has been hundreds of people who have already come back and nothing at all has been said. Not a coincidence that the government is in a tricky place so this bit of news suddenly crops up.

Drivel.

So the great unwashed can't process there being more than one story in the news at once? I suppose naming the killer of Alesha McPhail was another "distraction tactic" was it?

heilkmoon wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote:
As others have said, all of this is just a distraction tactic by the government, hence why there has been hundreds of people who have already come back and nothing at all has been said. Not a coincidence that the government is in a tricky place so this bit of news suddenly crops up.

Drivel.

So the great unwashed can't process there being more than one story in the news at once? I suppose naming the killer of Alesha McPhail was another "distraction tactic" was it?

So explain why there has been hundreds who have come back over without even a line in any newspaper about it, yet a 19yr old is made into a great threat and front page news for the best part of a week ?

Because it was high profile when she went is probably a good enough guess.

Nail on head dancingbear, it was big news when she went so it’s going to be big news when she wants to come back. You’re in danger of becoming obsessed with brexit Deckchair!

Sad news tonight.

"ISIS bride Shamima Begum's newborn baby has died, her lawyer has confirmed"

As well as Sajid Javid ...plenty of Message Boarders with big smiles on their faces tomorrow then?

howoldboy wrote: Sad news tonight.

"ISIS bride Shamima Begum's newborn baby has died, her lawyer has confirmed"

As well as Sajid Javid ...plenty of Message Boarders with big smiles on their faces tomorrow then?

As a father of 4 and a grandfather of 6 I love kids and babies and I feel really guilty , because I am honestly struggling to feel sympathy.

I am definately not smiling.

I don't think that that side of it is pleasant but the child might have died even if allowed back into the UK.

Look at the mothers lifestyle choices, nobody would have a jot of sympathy for me if I was a an ISIS fighter who was in Calais getting girls pregnant that later die, no baby dieing needs celebrating however.

howoldboy wrote: Sad news tonight.

"ISIS bride Shamima Begum's newborn baby has died, her lawyer has confirmed"

As well as Sajid Javid ...plenty of Message Boarders with big smiles on their faces tomorrow then?

Not as big as Shamimas when these beautiful innocent people had their lives taken away from them for having the audacity to attend a pop concert in Manchester .





Sorry a baby has died but that where my sympathy ends .

howoldboy wrote: Sad news tonight.

"ISIS bride Shamima Begum's newborn baby has died, her lawyer has confirmed"

As well as Sajid Javid ...plenty of Message Boarders with big smiles on their faces tomorrow then?

Absolutely beaming let's just hope the [censored] mother has caught it as well and does us all a big favour.

Not entirely sure you can catch dehydration, to be honest.

I see Diane Abacus and the usual hand wringing experts, have been on the news blaming the Government. I can’t remember there being much comment at the time. It would be unlike her to use the death of a baby, for political ends.
The girl chose to leave the U.K., chose to join a group fighting the U.K. and squeals when she’s no longer a U.K. citizen. Maybe losing 3 children* might give her an insight into what the parents of the many children killed by the group she joined, feel.
* l don’t believe she’s had that many, just another ploy to get back into the country she denounced.

Morals of some people on here is low. Gloating at the death of a child and the suffering of someone who was clearly groomed at a young age.

Surely we should he differentiating ourselves through our compassion rather than displaying the same barbarism as those who we claim to hate.

If she’d had any repentance at all she’d have called the baby anything other than Jarrah (google why). Whatever the reason she’s allying herself and her husband with the struggle against moderate Islam and the west. How can she call on any sympathy.

Let her live her life out in her chosen way - amongst her own group in an Islamic country.

DeckchairBlue wrote: Morals of some people on here is low. Gloating at the death of a child and the suffering of someone who was clearly groomed at a young age.

Surely we should he differentiating ourselves through our compassion rather than displaying the same barbarism as those who we claim to hate.

Tell me the morality of flying planes onto buildings.
Tell me the morality of machine gunning a music concert
Tell me the morality of bombing a pop concert
Tell me the morality of bombing the underground
Tell me the morality of beheading aid workers on video
Tell me the morality of burning pilots alive
Tell me the morality of throwing gays off buildings

[censored] her.

DeckchairBlue wrote: Morals of some people on here is low. Gloating at the death of a child and the suffering of someone who was clearly groomed at a young age.

Surely we should he differentiating ourselves through our compassion rather than displaying the same barbarism as those who we claim to hate.

I can't see many on here gloating about the death of a baby, on the other hand, how do you define a barbarian?

I would class those who behead innocent people and throw homosexuals off tall buildings as barbarians.

But, if you want to class people who don't want the return of potential suicide bombers into this country as barbarians, well, yes I am guilty.

Now this lady deserves a place in the uk .

Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote: Morals of some people on here is low. Gloating at the death of a child and the suffering of someone who was clearly groomed at a young age.

Surely we should he differentiating ourselves through our compassion rather than displaying the same barbarism as those who we claim to hate.

I can't see many on here gloating about the death of a baby, on the other hand, how do you define a barbarian?

I would class those who behead innocent people and throw homosexuals off tall buildings as barbarians.

But, if you want to class people who don't want the return of potential suicide bombers into this country as barbarians, well, yes I am guilty.

I didn't say many, I said some, which there is.

I agree they are barbaric, but as i said surely we should differentiate ourselves through our compassion, rather than taking a '[censored] her' attitude towards someone who was clearly groomed and brainwashed at a young age in our own country.

High Street wrote: Not entirely sure you can catch dehydration, to be honest.

Dehydration isn't a cause of death

It died from Pneumonia brought on by any number of diseases that are rife in the camp

DeckchairBlue wrote: Morals of some people on here is low. Gloating at the death of a child and the suffering of someone who was clearly groomed at a young age.

Surely we should he differentiating ourselves through our compassion rather than displaying the same barbarism as those who we claim to hate.

Aye i.d of shown her compassion i.d of had the SAS out there weeks ago and put her out of her misery

I thought Rory Stewart spoke well on Radio 4 this morning-he is well placed to pass comment having spent a long time in Iraq etc and witnessed first hand the atrocities committed by these animals.

Basically, I would rather form a view on this by listening to him rather than Abbott-ex trophy of Corbyn according to the new Tom Bower hatchet job on him.Its incredibly difficult when one considers the child but where do you draw a line?Noticeable that the furore is much stronger than when her citizenship was removed.

griff wrote: If she’d had any repentance at all she’d have called the baby anything other than Jarrah (google why). Whatever the reason she’s allying herself and her husband with the struggle against moderate Islam and the west. How can she call on any sympathy.

Let her live her life out in her chosen way - amongst her own group in an Islamic country.

Eucalyptus tree jihadi bstard.

According to Bower,Abbott had a sexual fantasy about being roughed up by Corbyn and because he was a member of NUPE.He invited two left wingers to come and view what he had pulled whilst she was lying naked in his bed.

They deserve each other.If I was in charge of the Tory party I would simply buy a job lot of the Bower book and send to it the entire electorate instead of producing a manifesto

Laffy wrote: According to Bower,Abbott had a sexual fantasy about being roughed up by Corbyn and because he was a member of NUPE.He invited two left wingers to come and view what he had pulled whilst she was lying naked in his bed.

They deserve each other.If I was in charge of the Tory party I would simply buy a job lot of the Bower book and send to it the entire electorate instead of producing a manifesto

'THE BOOK EVERY VOTER MUST READ’ Mail on Sunday. Should out everyone off reading it alone.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.c...wer-tom-bower-review

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.c...-hatchet-job-failure

Reviews seem to suggest that nothing in the book is groundbreaking or 'new' news at all. Keep banging the anti-Corbyn drum though Andy.

DeckchairBlue wrote:

Laffy wrote: According to Bower,Abbott had a sexual fantasy about being roughed up by Corbyn and because he was a member of NUPE.He invited two left wingers to come and view what he had pulled whilst she was lying naked in his bed.

They deserve each other.If I was in charge of the Tory party I would simply buy a job lot of the Bower book and send to it the entire electorate instead of producing a manifesto

'THE BOOK EVERY VOTER MUST READ’ Mail on Sunday. Should out everyone off reading it alone.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.c...wer-tom-bower-review

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.c...-hatchet-job-failure

Reviews seem to suggest that nothing in the book is groundbreaking or 'new' news at all. Keep banging the anti-Corbyn drum though Andy.

I think that you have been living too far south DB for too long.

Your mind has ben distorted with things such as sounds, colours and shapes - you never should have taken the new road.

I’m not a fan of the Mail but I do read Bower-his books on Branson and Maxwell were excellent though I know the Corbyn one offers nothing new to shout about.

What I don’t like is this holier than though shit that Corbyn and his merry band trot out-whilst sitting on an epidemic of anti Jewish racism,bullying, anti western rhetoric.If Abbott gets off on being roughed up by Corbyn with his NUPE union card round his neck, that’s just fine by me.I do wonder what books she has been reading.

It wasn’t an economics book,anyway.

No-two grade E A levels and failing a third confirms that.

Maybe we should do a ‘Corbyn fact of the day’ thread to balance the anti Tory feeling on here?

Any proof the baby is dead? My first thought when I heard the news - “aye, course it is”

Laffy wrote: I’m not a fan of the Mail but I do read Bower-his books on Branson and Maxwell were excellent though I know the Corbyn one offers nothing new to shout about.

What I don’t like is this holier than though shit that Corbyn and his merry band trot out-whilst sitting on an epidemic of anti Jewish racism,bullying, anti western rhetoric.If Abbott gets off on being roughed up by Corbyn with his NUPE union card round his neck, that’s just fine by me.I do wonder what books she has been reading.

Is that any different to the PR put out by any politician, every one if them ignores mistakes and pushes their positives don't they.

What is different about the Tory attacks is that they are always on Corbyn personally and rarely on the Labour party or their policies. Whereas it is all to easy to highlight bad Tory policy.

CCU wrote:

Laffy wrote: According to Bower,Abbott had a sexual fantasy about being roughed up by Corbyn and because he was a member of NUPE.He invited two left wingers to come and view what he had pulled whilst she was lying naked in his bed.

Can’t see many purchasers for that one at 6 London Road...

I worked for royal mail for 34 years and didn't know it was number 6 Dan.

Another two of the [censored] wanting to come back with 5 kids rumoured to be stripped of citizenship thank god .
Save the children outraged ( they wont get another penny from me)

Starting to think folk thinking they should be allowed back are a greater danger to the uk than anyone else .

Ps .

Can your cul de sac take another 7 in Deckchairblue

Laffy wrote: No-two grade E A levels and failing a third confirms that.

Maybe we should do a ‘Corbyn fact of the day’ thread to balance the anti Tory feeling on here?

As much as i despise everything a Corbyn goverment stands for to Tories are just a ball hair off being equaly as bad their handling of leaving the eu is nothing short of an insult to those who voted to leave.
Absolute spineless [censored] cowards the lot of them .

Hoping a decent anti EU party is formed as they would get my vote hands down .

CCU wrote:

ParcelPete wrote:

CCU wrote:

Laffy wrote: According to Bower,Abbott had a sexual fantasy about being roughed up by Corbyn and because he was a member of NUPE.He invited two left wingers to come and view what he had pulled whilst she was lying naked in his bed.

Can’t see many purchasers for that one at 6 London Road...

I worked for royal mail for 34 years and didn't know it was number 6 Dan.

Aye, I picked up a package for Melbourne once as he was running late...

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griff wrote: If she’d had any repentance at all she’d have called the baby anything other than Jarrah (google why). Whatever the reason she’s allying herself and her husband with the struggle against moderate Islam and the west. How can she call on any sympathy.

Let her live her life out in her chosen way - amongst her own group in an Islamic country.

Eucalyptus tree jihadi bstard.

Eh?

“The name is linked to Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah, who some historians claim is known for massacring Jews.

Historian and author Tom Holland suggested: “If she’d wanted to signal that she was returning to Britain in peace, she might have considered naming her baby after someone other than Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah.

“[He was] a general from the early days of the Arab conquests chiefly famed for beating the c**p out of infidels.””

It’s also a type of Eucalyptus tree.

howoldboy wrote: [q

Aw why you edited your snippet of comedy gold mate the "my hands down my pants " bit was hilarious

I think we should have sent a team in to get the bairn. He was a British citizen, it wasn't his fault his parents were lunatics.

Dancingbear wrote: It’s also a type of Eucalyptus tree.

Well ta, you live and learn.

Alan wrote:

howoldboy wrote: [q

Aw why you edited your snippet of comedy gold mate the "my hands down my pants " bit was hilarious

Sorry Al. After seeing my reply in writing I remembered I shouldn't lower myself to other people's standards!

I liked Hunts reply of it was too dangerous to get the kid out of a refugee camp stuffed with foreign aid workers and press reporters.
Just a lame excuse. Surely there would be someone in the military capable of doing this.
Why not tell the truth and say that they did not want to rescue anyone with links to ISIS. .
Next thing he'll be saying it is too dangerous to fight terrorists.

howoldboy wrote:

Alan wrote:

howoldboy wrote: [q

Aw why you edited your snippet of comedy gold mate the "my hands down my pants " bit was hilarious

Sorry Al. After seeing my reply in writing I remembered I shouldn't lower myself to other people's standards!

I take it assuming people are smiling at a babys death is not of a lower standard to delete then .

Alan wrote:

howoldboy wrote:

Alan wrote:

howoldboy wrote: [q

Aw why you edited your snippet of comedy gold mate the "my hands down my pants " bit was hilarious

Sorry Al. After seeing my reply in writing I remembered I shouldn't lower myself to other people's standards!

I take it assuming people are smiling at a babys death is not of a lower standard to delete then .

Unfortunately it's a thin line between whipping up hatred for an ISIS bride or terrorists and whipping up hatred towards muslims in general.

howoldboy wrote:

Alan wrote:

howoldboy wrote:

Alan wrote:

howoldboy wrote: [q

Aw why you edited your snippet of comedy gold mate the "my hands down my pants " bit was hilarious

Sorry Al. After seeing my reply in writing I remembered I shouldn't lower myself to other people's standards!

I take it assuming people are smiling at a babys death is not of a lower standard to delete then .

Unfortunately it's a thin line between whipping up hatred for an ISIS bride or terrorists and whipping up hatred towards muslims in general.

The only whipping hatred i've seen recently is the isis brides promising revenge and having us westerners knee deep in blood .

I just want them a million miles away from the uk i'm sure the majority feel the same way too .

If thats hard to grasp in you and your fellow handwringers land of milk and honey so be it .

I'll stick to "peddling hatred" as long as it makes the country safer for my friends and family to live in .

Do Gooders like howoldboy are a big problem in the once great country. They are deluded, once it was hug a hoody, now it's hug a jihadi's wife.

Canada got its independence in 1867. We've been in decline ever since as the empire progressively got smaller and smaller.

So I guess anyone harking back to when we were 'Great' really wants us to go back to the 1860s, otherwise I don't know what they're referring to. Any time after and we were less influential and less powerful as a nation. To think otherwise is just to believe in half-truths and fairy stories - which we've been good at up until now, but people are beginning to realise we're just bit players in a much bigger game (and have been for a long time).