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Christian Brueckner

A German suspect in the disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann has been pictured for the first time. Child sex offender Christian Brueckner has been identified as a suspect, with police appealing for others who may have ‘concrete knowledge’ relating to the case to come forward. The man was described as white with short blond hair, possibly fair, and about 6ft with a slim build at the time she vanished on May 3 2007. Christian Hoppe, from Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), told the country’s ZDF television channel the 43-year-old is serving a prison sentence for a sex crime and has two previous convictions for ‘sexual contact with girls’.


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When they reported her missing the parents refused to answer any police questions, and they refused to assist in the search. The mother call police f..ing w..kers who should f,, off. They did tell the police someone had jimmied open window shutters, police found they were jimmied from the inside and the only finger prints present were the mothers'. During their time line the father said he was chatting to a neighbour for about 30 minutes. The neighbour put it at less than 30 seconds giving the father a missing half an hour in the evening. During this time he was seen near the beach carrying something about the size of a child wrapped in a blanket.

When they returned to Portugal a neighbour reported them to the police because they left their SUV with the rear door open all night, every night. Cadaver dogs searching the SUV found traces of a corpse, the mother said this was because it was on her clothes from work.

So probably the German guy
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Good summary Marco, I
invested quite a lot of time listening to pod casts etc and reading reports ...I came to the conclusion that in my opinion the mcannes wer complicit in some way , but it's looking like they might finally get a bit of peace in their lives.
Terrible incident and probably one ,of all parents worse fears.They shouldn't have left them alone, just like all the others around the table that were doing the same.But that's for them to live with.
So tragic, hope the A hole dies a slow death .
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When they reported her missing the parents refused to answer any police questions, and they refused to assist in the search. The mother call police f..ing w..kers who should f,, off. They did tell the police someone had jimmied open window shutters, police found they were jimmied from the inside and the only finger prints present were the mothers'. During their time line the father said he was chatting to a neighbour for about 30 minutes. The neighbour put it at less than 30 seconds giving the father a missing half an hour in the evening. During this time he was seen near the beach carrying something about the size of a child wrapped in a blanket.

When they returned to Portugal a neighbour reported them to the police because they left their SUV with the rear door open all night, every night. Cadaver dogs searching the SUV found traces of a corpse, the mother said this was because it was on her clothes from work.

So probably the German guy


Did you ever read an conspiracy theory you didn't believe?
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If you read/watch the stuff that points the finger at the parents you’ll believe that.

If you read/watch the stuff that points the finger at others you’ll believe that.

I’ve no idea but after so long I hope theve got it right.
At least we’re not Stockport
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Mark - I hope that if it is shown the German is guilty you have the decency (along with all the others who posted similar over the years) to apologise. Clearly you have absolutely no idea of the pain and guilt that parents feel after the loss of child.
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It's good that we have the likes of Marko and NS spouting their half baked conspiracy theories and 'alternative' views on this message board. Not only does it make it much more interesting and helps to spark debate, it also helps makes me feel so much more rational, normal and balanced.
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It’s incredible the mud slinging chuck at the McCann’s.

There really is some rubbish spoken about this! The investigation by the Portuguese police was totally flawed and believe me Scotland Yard are no mugs. They clearly didn’t kill their own child!!!
There’s a lot of people decided to jump to a conclusion and work backwards from there.
The police investigation was astonishingly poor.
The evidence against this convicted paedophile seems pretty compelling.
The witch hunt against grieving parents may now finally end.
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It won’t though as even if this bloke is guilty they should not have left their kids home alone.
There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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Marko with the conspiracy theories and you with the 'alternative views' NS.
Apologies for any hurt caused.
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It won’t though as even if this bloke is guilty they should not have left their kids home alone.


I wouldn't call 50 yards away in line of sight of the property leaving them alone

For god's sake, millions of people took it way further every year at Butlins for decades nobody had a problem with that then.


And they will be the first to admit that and will have to live with that for the rest of their lives - made even worse by the fact the Portuguese police immediately made them suspects along with many other holier than thou characters and conspiracy theorists for the past 13 years.
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The suspect recieved a call to his mobile in the resort an hour before she was taken,the next day he changed the ownership of his jag to a different name,sounds like the finaly have their man.
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It won’t though as even if this bloke is guilty they should not have left their kids home alone.


I wouldn't call 50 yards away in line of sight of the property leaving them alone

For god's sake, millions of people took it way further every year at Butlins for decades nobody had a problem with that then.


Well I would and I can honestly say my son has never been left alone in a foreign hotel room for any period of time. BTW re Butlins my mam told me a story when we stayed at Pontins at Lytham in the early 80s she asked what the baby sitting service entailed and was told the sitter did rounds and checked in every 30 mins so she said thanks but no thanks. Obv a lot of others did different or the service wouldn’t have been like that.
There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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I've got to say that after looking at a lot of the evidence I suspected there was some form of guilt from the couple .and it's ok saying wer being led by half baked conspiracies... but some of the evidences were pretty compelling ?
Ie ...the cadaver sniffing dogs that we'r said to have a very high degree of accuracy.... and they detected death in their rental car ,that was left with the boot open for more than a day ?
( because they said there shopping had leaked and was smelling )
Or taking a trip to the tip in a foreign land to get rid of rubbish ...
They visited an open bit of baron land because their mobile pinged...
Windows being jemmied off that weren't... ?
The couple going for dinner with a famous chef paedophile and being warned not to do it again.
And theres more ?
I think there must have been pretty strong ground to pursue them ?

Anyhow , hopefully the couple will get some form of closure, & peace. After what must be an absolute nightmare for them .
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Having worked at Butlins for 7 years back in the 90s, every night there was people who wanted to earn extra cash by providing a babysitting type of service for customers and their younger kids..so many were sensible back then to use this option.


The McCanns still left their child to go out so will have to live with the guilt forever if this is all true.



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http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078063/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2033


I love your rebuttal site! The rebuttals don't relate to 90% of the claims!

1. The McCanns originally claimed they found the shutters and window of the children’s room open. They ’phoned relatives that night saying: ‘An abductor broke in and took Madeleine’. But when police and the managers of the complex declared there was no sign of forced entry, they changed their story, saying they must have left the patio doors open. The window had been cleaned the day before. Only Kate McCann’s fingerprints were found on the window.



Verdict - False and misleading. The McCanns didn't change their story. Kate's fingerprints were on the inside of the window; it's not known what was found on the outside. Also, MMRG failed to mention the inclusion of the unidentified partial fingerprints which were found on the shutters.

Ok, so they didn't change their story. But the main fact that there was absolutely no sign of a forced entry at the apartment stands? Mrs McCann did phone relatives and say the wee tot had been abducted and on;y her fingerprints were found in the apartment?


29. On British police advice, the Portuguese asked top dog handler Martin Grime to bring his springer spaniels, Eddie and Keela, to Praia da Luz. Eddie is trained to detect the scent of human corpses; Keela is a bloodhound. Eddie had never given a false alert in over 200 previous outings. He alerted to the odour of a human corpse in these locations: four different places in the McCanns’ apartment, two of Dr Kate McCann’s clothes, one of the children’s T-shirts, on the pink soft toy, ‘Cuddle Cat’, and in two places in the car the McCanns hired. Eddie did not alert to a corpse scent anywhere else in Praia da Luz. Keela detected blood, which may have been Madeleine’s blood, at some of these places.



Verdict - False and misleading. The claims about the dogs' abilities and performances are false. The alerts described by the MMRG are incorrect. The alerts of the dogs have to be corroborated by forensic evidence. They weren't.

Thats just wrong. Cadaver dogs are over 95% accurate, massively more so than lie detectors, that's why the British police wanted them. The dogs found traces of corpses and blood in the living room, the parents' wardrobe, all over the mother's clothes and in the boot of the car. The car was hired 25 days after the wee lassie disappeared! What is the statistical likelihood of a corpse being in the apartment then in the car?! When they found blood in the apartment living room etc it was analysed and all they could say was it came from one of the family. A member of the family who routinely rode in the boot of the car! And the mother's answer was she routinely worked with dead bodies, a part time GP in Leicestershire!

How many people on here are parents? You come home at 10pm from the pub and your wee toddler daughter has gone missing. So you call the police. You then refuse to talk to the police, refuse to join the search teams and refuse to assist the police in setting up a reconstruction. Really? As Lee Rainbow, the UK police profiler assigned to the case said, that is not the behaviour of innocent people
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And all these years on the board i took you to be an intelligent man. I was wrong.
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And all these years on the board i took you to be an intelligent man. I was wrong.


I never claimed to be clever, just a parent. It reminds me of Suzy Lamplugh. Her brother said even 10 years after her disappearance he would find himself wandering around the area where she went missing, just hoping he would see something. Rather different from refusing to return to the scene fo the disappearance. But if you feel the intelligent reaction to the loss of a child is to refuse to speak to police but go on your phone calling distant relatives then you go that.

You might also want to ask yourself why the Skrypalesque investigation is so excited about this German. They released his name a year ago then admitted they had nothing on him. So what has happened now with him being in prison for a year? Nothing in the papers abut new evidence
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http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078063/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2033


I love your rebuttal site! The rebuttals don't relate to 90% of the claims!

1. The McCanns originally claimed they found the shutters and window of the children’s room open. They ’phoned relatives that night saying: ‘An abductor broke in and took Madeleine’. But when police and the managers of the complex declared there was no sign of forced entry, they changed their story, saying they must have left the patio doors open. The window had been cleaned the day before. Only Kate McCann’s fingerprints were found on the window.



Verdict - False and misleading. The McCanns didn't change their story. Kate's fingerprints were on the inside of the window; it's not known what was found on the outside. Also, MMRG failed to mention the inclusion of the unidentified partial fingerprints which were found on the shutters.

Ok, so they didn't change their story. But the main fact that there was absolutely no sign of a forced entry at the apartment stands? Mrs McCann did phone relatives and say the wee tot had been abducted and on;y her fingerprints were found in the apartment?


29. On British police advice, the Portuguese asked top dog handler Martin Grime to bring his springer spaniels, Eddie and Keela, to Praia da Luz. Eddie is trained to detect the scent of human corpses; Keela is a bloodhound. Eddie had never given a false alert in over 200 previous outings. He alerted to the odour of a human corpse in these locations: four different places in the McCanns’ apartment, two of Dr Kate McCann’s clothes, one of the children’s T-shirts, on the pink soft toy, ‘Cuddle Cat’, and in two places in the car the McCanns hired. Eddie did not alert to a corpse scent anywhere else in Praia da Luz. Keela detected blood, which may have been Madeleine’s blood, at some of these places.



Verdict - False and misleading. The claims about the dogs' abilities and performances are false. The alerts described by the MMRG are incorrect. The alerts of the dogs have to be corroborated by forensic evidence. They weren't.

Thats just wrong. Cadaver dogs are over 95% accurate, massively more so than lie detectors, that's why the British police wanted them. The dogs found traces of corpses and blood in the living room, the parents' wardrobe, all over the mother's clothes and in the boot of the car. The car was hired 25 days after the wee lassie disappeared! What is the statistical likelihood of a corpse being in the apartment then in the car?! When they found blood in the apartment living room etc it was analysed and all they could say was it came from one of the family. A member of the family who routinely rode in the boot of the car! And the mother's answer was she routinely worked with dead bodies, a part time GP in Leicestershire!

How many people on here are parents? You come home at 10pm from the pub and your wee toddler daughter has gone missing. So you call the police. You then refuse to talk to the police, refuse to join the search teams and refuse to assist the police in setting up a reconstruction. Really? As Lee Rainbow, the UK police profiler assigned to the case said, that is not the behaviour of innocent people



You're trying to mislead people again.

If you read further into the evidence, there are examples of where the dogs, gave several false positives.
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If you had abducted/killed your own child, why would you lobby officials, raise money and dedicate the rest of you're life to finding them ?

What is the point ?

To even suggest the McCann's had a hand in Maddie's disappearance is ridiculous.

As for leaving them, as has been said, they have to live with that.

They weren't far away, they had a planned rota for checking, at face value the risks look low.
What they did not know was someone was watching them and knew when to strike.

The grief they have been through is terrible, and must have been a living hell. I think they may have resigned themselves some years ago to the fact that finding Maddie dead or alive was virtually nil.

But they have never given up on her !!
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I dont think raising funds to find maddy, and campaigning for years implies innocence . But I hope after this monster is found guilty , it gives the couple relative peace.must have been hell knowing yourself to be innocent while the world points a finger.
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I dont think raising funds to find maddy, and campaigning for years implies innocence . But I hope after this monster is found guilty , it gives the couple relative peace.must have been hell knowing yourself to be innocent while the world points a finger.


"I dont think raising funds to find maddy, and campaigning for years implies innocence"

Then what does it imply, guilt ??
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Look at their own articles. The lead dog had done over 200 investigations. They found 1 error, so 99.5% success.

As for it being ridiculous that the McCanns were involved, why? The UK Chief Psychological examiner, the FBI profiler unit and the Portuguese police believe it was them.

The theory is incredibly simple. She woke up, she went into the living room. She stood on the sofa to look out the window, slipped and banged her head on the radiator. Slightly more sensible than tinfoil hat theories about armies of German paedos who made phone calls from a couple of miles away an hour before she disappeared.

They found blood on the floor next to the radiator, McCann disappeared for 30 minutes and someone matching his description was seen carrying something by the beach at that time. What is there not to understand?
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Look at their own articles. The lead dog had done over 200 investigations. They found 1 error, so 99.5% success.

As for it being ridiculous that the McCanns were involved, why? The UK Chief Psychological examiner, the FBI profiler unit and the Portuguese police believe it was them.

The theory is incredibly simple. She woke up, she went into the living room. She stood on the sofa to look out the window, slipped and banged her head on the radiator. Slightly more sensible than tinfoil hat theories about armies of German paedos who made phone calls from a couple of miles away an hour before she disappeared.

They found blood on the floor next to the radiator, McCann disappeared for 30 minutes and someone matching his description was seen carrying something by the beach at that time. What is there not to understand?



.........and then spend the rest of you're life dedicated to finding and proving nothing, yes, what's not to understand.
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Come on silentone , I dont believe your so naive to believe nobody has ever tried to lead the police, and public, up blind alleys to imply innocence in crimes ?

Like I said , I hope they do find the perpetrator , if only to give the couple some sort of peace/ finality.
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Come on silentone , I dont believe your so naive to believe nobody has ever tried to lead the police, and public, up blind alleys to imply innocence in crimes ?.


Not to the extent that the McCanns have pursued the case of their missing daughter.
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I dont think raising funds to find maddy, and campaigning for years implies innocence . But I hope after this monster is found guilty , it gives the couple relative peace.must have been hell knowing yourself to be innocent while the world points a finger.


"I dont think raising funds to find maddy, and campaigning for years implies innocence"

Then what does it imply, guilt ??


The largest single expense was a private detective who turned out to be a convicted conman. He even staged a mock wedding at one point. He did spend several months trailing a camper van that turned out to be a complete waste of time, sound familiar?

Another detective claimed if he put the wee girl's hair in his phone attachment it would show where in the world she was. Portuguese police politely declined to comb a large area of beach on that advice and were treated to the lovely Kate's opinion again. This was the calibre of people being hired. Telling them everything while refusing to cooperate with the police?


The second largest expense was a PR agency for the family. Quite why a family that as lost a child needs a PR image I can't imagine but at £125k a year I'm sure they were worth it. Other expenses include several payments of their mortgage, approaching 10000£ per annum for subsistence and family travel and of course, over £100k to an agency that monitors the world's press.

Yes, raising funds to find Maddy
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Exactly Marco ....
Theres more than enough anomalies, to raise a great deal of suspicion of the both of them .
And to ignore all the evidence brought forward because the Mcannes campaigned with public money for a good length of time ?
Well , I'm guessing you dont want or need to be persuing a career in the police.
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Amaral really didn't help though, did he? Claiming they got away with it because MI5 were helping them didn't do his cause any good. He was due £750k from the McCanns in compensation for blocking his book, did he get it? The McCanns were at the European Court of Human Rights trying to avoid that one after they lost in Portugal. The legal costs will be twice that
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I think Amaral will be busy offshoring any loot he has accumulated...


"Portuguese detectives who probed the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have been left facing tough questions after it emerged they identified the German paedophile who is now the chief suspect in 2007 - but 'discarded' him.

Goncalo Amaral, the man who led the initial investigation, confirmed in April last year that 'a German paedophile currently in jail in Germany' - now named as Christian Brueckner - was identified 13 years ago as a potential suspect.

But Amaral, who was sacked after naming Kate and Jerry McCann as suspects in the disappearance and maintains they were responsible, said his detectives 'found nothing to suggest [Brueckner] took Madeleine'.

That is despite revelations today that Brueckner had a lengthy criminal record including burglary and child sex crimes, lived in a property just three miles from where Maddie went missing, and can be placed in the area on the night in question using mobile phone records. "
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Marko you have unloaded enough of your verbal diarrhoea on this thread.
Do us all a favour and move onto another, there's a good lad.
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Marko you have unloaded enough of your verbal diarrhoea on this thread.
Do us all a favour and move onto another, there's a good lad.


“Too many of our countrymen rejoice in stupidity, look upon ignorance as a badge of honour. They condemn everything they don't understand.”
-- Tallulah Bankhead

Some things never change
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Marko you have unloaded enough of your verbal diarrhoea on this thread.
Do us all a favour and move onto another, there's a good lad.


“Too many of our countrymen rejoice in stupidity, look upon ignorance as a badge of honour. They condemn everything they don't understand.”
-- Tallulah Bankhead

Some things never change


“People tend to be generous when sharing their nonsense, fear, and ignorance."
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Very true. I assume you've taken an interest in the case, and as part of your war on ignorance, why do you think the McCanns refused

- to answer the police questions
- take part in a search
- participate in a reconstruction
- give the police access to their camera with the latest pictures
- confirm or deny that they knew Robert Murat
and deleted all their phone records?

Hardly the actions of grieving parents
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The answer is I don't know. And neither do you.

What I do know is that the McCanns will have been fully investigated and there have been a lot of gossip which you seem to take as gospel. Do you really think that if the UK police thought them guilty they would have carried on for the past 13 years?

You chose about 3 days ago to state "there is no new evidence". How do you know that?

Have you been a grieving parent? I have! There is not a normal response to the death of a child.

What are you frightened of Mark?
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So it's wrong to take an interest in an investigation, and we shouldn't form any opinions , and shouldn't debate anything wer not involved in.
In fact ,it's also wrong for the news media to update us on an investigation.
I'm not being flippant here, I invested a lot of time listening to podcasts etc ,and you can only form an opinion on the evidence that's put before you.I had a genuine rapport with what the family was going through, and hoped and prayed maddie was found .
But there were a lot of questions ,that raised suspicion, and a lot of actions were very strange in the investigation.
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In summary we don’t know-the Telegraph however have published an article which is more of an observation about how this tragedy has played with our instincts which I will try and post
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Can’t reproduce it but this is the headline for ref

What the shaming of Kate McCann says about us all
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I'm frightened of polystyrene. I find it better than being frightened of knowledge, you should try it.

Det Chief Inspector Colin Sutton is one of the most highly rated UK detectives (Google him, here are TV shows about him) , he was assigned to two of the most notorious British crime cases, he unrelentingly hunted killer Levi Bellfield, from West Drayton, and serial rapist Delroy Grant, from Brockley, putting both behind bars.

Det Chief Inspector Colin Sutton refused to head up Madeleine McCann probe because 'Scotland Yard would order him to prove Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignore other leads'. So the Mets most senior detectives don't believe the McCanns have been fully investigated, and they clearly believe that some of the 'gossip' warrants investigation.

There are two competing theories. Either a 3-year-old fell and banged her head on the radiator. Or a burglar walked past 20 apartments, broke into just 1 apartment. He turned out also to be a paedo, so he ignored 2 children he could kidnap with no resistance and took the one child likely to struggle or shout. Still, who would believe a crazy story that a child fell into a radiator, tsk, just madness I tell you.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4467832/Met-interested-proving-McCann-parents-innocent.html
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I guess knowledge is defined as something that you personally believe.

Apparently you know for certain that a man would not walk past 20 flats - maybe , just maybe, he had targeted that flat and that little girl and maybe just maybe he was fixating over her and the coming pleasures rather than trying to handle three, two of whom would have cried as the bigger girl struggled. And maybe the other flats were not let or the occupants were in. And maybe just maybe one parent found the little mite dead and decided in short order to cover it up and convince the other to play along.

You are clearly afraid of something.. and I suspect it is not polystyrene.

I hope that it is proven that the German is guilty and that people like you grovel in apology.
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Written by DCI Sutton himself. So you are convinced by whatever information you have that she the wee mite died after banging her head on the radiator, and the man himself says he doesn't know. Note "brush" does not mean refusal to participate!!! I guess you may be guilty of comment, embellishment and misunderstanding. I guess that sort of thing happens when your bible is the NotW and the Daily Mail.

What are you afraid of Mark?

Colin Sutton

Tuesday, 9 May 2017
Madeleine McCann and Operation Grange
At the outset I should say that I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann. All the evidence available to me – and there is more and deeper information available to the public on this than any case I have looked at – does not convince me of any theory or scenario being proved. Soon, in the coming months when my other projects are less busy, I hope to take a proper analytical look at it all and come up with some conclusions. But as things stand my position is that I don't know.

Having said all that, there are aspects of the case which trouble me already and the main one is what the Metropolitan Police set out to do in Operation Grange. My brush with that investigation – and I call it that because I was never actually involved with it – has been the subject of a fair bit of comment, embellishment and misunderstanding. So it is right I think that I set out clearly what happened and what did not.

On Sunday 9th May 2010 the News of the World published a story which suggested that the Met was going to reinvestigate Madeleine’s disappearance and that I would be asked to lead it. This was news to me on both counts. Nobody from the Met had, or indeed ever did, make such a request of me.

The only official news I heard about the reinvestigation was a week or two later when I heard that the idea of such a reinvestigation had been shelved for the time being in the wake of the change of Government. You will recall the note by former Chief Secretary to the Treasury Liam Byrne, apologising to his successor that there was no money left. The rumour in the Met was that, unless and until the Government were prepared to fund it, we would not undertake such an expensive operation which, as desirable as it might have been, was not really something on which Londoners should see their Council Tax spent.

However, before this, just a few days after the NotW story I did receive a call from a senior officer in the Met whom I knew quite well. This officer told me I would do better to avoid the McCann investigation if it did happen, because "You wouldn't be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not".

That is the totality of the advice I received. It was made clear that this was an ‘unofficial’ call and that it was made in my interest – so that I might not end up taking on a task which would ultimately frustrate me. As such I never pressed the caller for more information, nor will I ever be in a position to disclose who the officer was.

I was familiar enough with the reporting of the McCann case in the media to understand that there was a widespread reluctance to talk of any scenario which did not involve an abduction and in which no blame or complicity was to be attributed to the parents and their friends. This struck me as odd but, in those days, quite frankly I was busy enough with he investigations I was involved in without undertaking any 'off the books' look at what had gone on in Praia de Luz. I had assumed that there was good reason for this; that those who had been involved had satisfied themselves that was the case.

I retired after 30 years service in early 2011. At the time I retired there had been no decision made to mount the Met operation. As I embarked upon a new career writing and commenting I looked at the case a little, sufficiently enough to provide sensible assistance to the media when they asked me. This was, though, always around police procedures and techniques. Nobody ever asked me what I thought might have happened, only what the police were doing, why and what they might do next.

Last year Sky asked me to a meeting to discuss what a ten-year anniversary film might achieve. I explained that I would be willing to take part but that my position was one where I was as sceptical of the accepted (abduction) theory as I was of any other. I said I would also like to make the point that Operation Grange was so restricted from the start as to be destined to fail. In support of this I presented the original Grange terms of reference and told them of the advice I had received in the phone call.

To their credit (and, actually, to my surprise) they accepted that this was a valid point of view to hold and one which should be presented in their film. Within the limitations and constraints of legal matters, the editing process and the need to present a rounded story, I think the Sky film was pretty good. It is certainly the most balanced mainstream report I have seen and one with which I am entirely happy to be associated. I also think it represented my views well.

I am neither an anti nor a pro – of the McCanns or the media or the police. I felt, feel indeed, that the limitations which seem to have been imposed on Operation Grange were worthy of being publicised and would inform the debate. I am not necessarily advocating that it be started afresh, just that it is understood what it was and what it tried to do.

I do though think that a point worthy of reinforcing is that a proper, conclusive and reasoned elimination or implication of Kate and Gerry McCann would have been in everyone's interest, most of all theirs. That would have been my first objective had I been leading Operation Grange and so that is the biggest issue I have with how that investigation proceeded. To eliminate or implicate those closest to the child in this type of case is not only the documented best investigative practice but is common sense. Had Grange done this then everything would be a lot clearer. I have no idea why this was not done but I am satisfied on what has been said by the Met and what is available that it was not.

I want to continue to raise and discuss issues around Madeleine’s disappearance when it is appropriate to do so. I am mindful that, to maintain credibility and access to meaningful platforms that I will need to do so in a considered, reasoned and evidenced way. If I don't offer support to theories and assumptions it doesn't mean I don't understand or believe them, just that I don't think it is appropriate to adopt them or comment upon them at the moment.

Finally a paragraph on me. I am nowhere near naïve enough to have thought that I could become involved in this debate without suffering some abuse and denigration. While it is water from a duck’s back I won't expose myself to it unnecessarily. Hence I won't take part in discussions on the various forums and I am likely to block those on Twitter who can’t be reasonable and polite. Like us all I am far from perfect but I did give many years of service to the community – as do thousands of others – and during that time I was lucky enough to achieve some results of which I will always be proud. My expertise and reputation is well-regarded by the media and I have no need to raise my profile; I turn away as much media work as I accept. I am not writing a book on Madeleine McCann and I have no motivation other than that which has been with me for many, many years – to get to the truth. So I will continue to tweet about the case ( @colinsutton ) and when people raise good questions I will try to respond quickly.
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The answer is I don't know. And neither do you.

What I do know is that the McCanns will have been fully investigated and there have been a lot of gossip which you seem to take as gospel. Do you really think that if the UK police thought them guilty they would have carried on for the past 13 years?

You chose about 3 days ago to state "there is no new evidence". How do you know that?

Have you been a grieving parent? I have! There is not a normal response to the death of a child.

What are you frightened of Mark?


What I do know is that the McCanns will have been fully investigated and there have been a lot of gossip which you seem to take as gospel.

A direct quote from your post

From your second post

I did receive a call from a senior officer in the Met whom I knew quite well. This officer told me I would do better to avoid the McCann investigation if it did happen, because "You wouldn't be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not".

That is the totality of the advice I received. It was made clear that this was an ‘unofficial’ call and that it was made in my interest – so that I might not end up taking on a task which would ultimately frustrate me. As such I never pressed the caller for more information, nor will I ever be in a position to disclose who the officer was.


So it hasn't been fully investigated, It's been an investigation 'where officers were told what you (they) could look at and what you (they) could not'. If they are not allowed to look at parts of the investigation that by definition means not fully, it means partially.

That the McCanns refused to speak to police, participate in the search, hand over photographs of the wee girl, participate in the Netflix documentary and participate in a reconstruction is not gossip, it is fact. But if the McCanns are refusing to speak to Portuguese police and Scotland Yard isn't asking anything other than about an abduction, how can you conclude that they are innocent and that anyone who disagrees with you is not intelligent?
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The answer is I don't know. And neither do you.

What I do know is that the McCanns will have been fully investigated and there have been a lot of gossip which you seem to take as gospel. Do you really think that if the UK police thought them guilty they would have carried on for the past 13 years?

You chose about 3 days ago to state "there is no new evidence". How do you know that?

Have you been a grieving parent? I have! There is not a normal response to the death of a child.

What are you frightened of Mark?


What I do know is that the McCanns will have been fully investigated and there have been a lot of gossip which you seem to take as gospel.

A direct quote from your post

From your second post

I did receive a call from a senior officer in the Met whom I knew quite well. This officer told me I would do better to avoid the McCann investigation if it did happen, because "You wouldn't be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not".

That is the totality of the advice I received. It was made clear that this was an ‘unofficial’ call and that it was made in my interest – so that I might not end up taking on a task which would ultimately frustrate me. As such I never pressed the caller for more information, nor will I ever be in a position to disclose who the officer was.


So it hasn't been fully investigated, It's been an investigation 'where officers were told what you (they) could look at and what you (they) could not'. If they are not allowed to look at parts of the investigation that by definition means not fully, it means partially.

That the McCanns refused to speak to police, participate in the search, hand over photographs of the wee girl, participate in the Netflix documentary and participate in a reconstruction is not gossip, it is fact. But if the McCanns are refusing to speak to Portuguese police and Scotland Yard isn't asking anything other than about an abduction, how can you conclude that they are innocent and that anyone who disagrees with you is not intelligent?


FFS
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Oh good, Baldrick has joined the conversation
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Oh good, Baldrick has joined the conversation


Yep, Baldrick the servant and dung gatherer here to deal with your theories on this subject.
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I’m not going to come on here and pretend I know what happened to the little girl or even cast aspersions as I’m not privy to all the TRUE details of the case.

What I do know is that it’s showed Markovitch up for the wally that he is, it really hasn’t gone well for him. So much so he’s had to resort to using The Daily Mail for his references - who would have thought it, Markovitch a Daily Mail reader!

Have a rest old boy, the fatigue is beginning to show.
“Yeah, I know of Barry. Bit of a fantasist” - John Courtenay 2003
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Another intellectual giant flexes his muscles. Haven't seen you for a while Frank, shagged out after the intellectual exertion of telling the difference between even and odd numbers?

Any major (big) investigation is expected to add a profiler and a statement analyst. We aren't allowed to know what the British counterparts said, though we do now that the UK profiler Lee Rainbow contacted Portuguese police and urged them to keep up the pressure on the McCanns. This is what US enforcement analysts and profilers said

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaLZ6vf0Ybc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS6ucYudNAo

Not much doubt about the view of the American specialists, and lets be honest if anyone is going to have experience of weirdos killing children it's going to the Americans
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I guess those American specialist will be just perfect in interpreting what a scouser and a Glaswegian saying. Your arguments would be funny if the won't so pathetic.

I spoke to my brother who believes there is an extremely minimal chance (1%) that the parents were involved. Plus he reckons that profilers while sometimes right are more normally full of BS.

I will take any future utterances by you on any subject with a pinch of salt.
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I'm shoveling as best I can M'lud, but I've not known anyone produce as much as the one known as Marko.
Whats that Sir?, he’s madder than Mad Jack McMad, the winner of last year’s Mr Madman competition?
You could be right Sir.
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I guess those American specialist will be just perfect in interpreting what a scouser and a Glaswegian saying. Your arguments would be funny if the won't so pathetic.

I spoke to my brother who believes there is an extremely minimal chance (1%) that the parents were involved. Plus he reckons that profilers while sometimes right are more normally full of BS.

I will take any future utterances by you on any subject with a pinch of salt.


And your brother is? A criminal psychologist? A...
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