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  1. Piglet_Phoenix
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  3. 17-02-2021 02:19
I'd go back to good, honest, 4-4-2. Two central defensive midfielders, two wide players, two upfront centrally.

Farman

Tanner
Armer
Hayden
Bennett

Furman
Guy

Patrick (left wing)
Riley (right wing)

Scott
Kayode (as a centre-forward, not a wide player, and he's off throw-ins)

If you want to switch things tactically, you could take one of the forwards off, bring Alessandra on to play centrally in a 4-2-3-1.

Much more flexible and suited to the players we have than dumbly sticking to 4-3-3 come rain or shine.
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nobbyblue
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Farman

Tanner
Bennett
Hayden
Armer

Riley
Guy
Mellish

Patrick
Kayode
Toure
  1. 17-02-2021 05:32
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I'd go back to good, honest, 4-4-2. Two central defensive midfielders, two wide players, two upfront centrally.

Farman

Tanner
Armer
Hayden
Bennett

Furman
Guy

Patrick (left wing)
Riley (right wing)

Scott
Kayode (as a centre-forward, not a wide player, and he's off throw-ins)

If you want to switch things tactically, you could take one of the forwards off, bring Alessandra on to play centrally in a 4-2-3-1.

Much more flexible and suited to the players we have than dumbly sticking to 4-3-3 come rain or shine.
:D :D :D
  1. 17-02-2021 09:49
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aberdeenblue28
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Farman

Tanner
Bennett
Hayden
Armer

Riley
Guy
Mellish

Patrick
Kayode
Toure

Zanzala deserves to start tbf, he’s did seem quite lively and held the ball up well when he came on. Back to basics is needed
  1. 17-02-2021 09:58
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ParcelPete
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I will go for whatever Beech chooses as i presume he knows a lot more about football,tactics and the opposition than me
  1. 17-02-2021 10:15
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CUFC52
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Farman
Tanner
Hayden
Bennet
Anderton
Guy
Charters
Riley
Patrick
Zanzala
Kayode

Subs:
Norman
Armer
Dixon
Scott
Allesandra
Toure
Melish

That defence is capable of getting us up, charters best player on pitch v Walsall so should be in their.
  1. 17-02-2021 11:34
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Sad how our pre-season most exciting signing - Brennan Dickenson - isn't in anyone's squad. Having said that, on last night's performance he wouldn't be in mine either - but he will be in the squad that matters and that's the one that will lose at Salford unbeaten-at-home City.
  1. 17-02-2021 19:04
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crunchblue
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I'd go back to good, honest, 4-4-2.


A very wise man once said... You can’t play dominant football with 4-4-2. Triangles disappear. You should always have triangles, only then you have passing options.
  1. 17-02-2021 19:29
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Can’t believe folk are advocating Zanzala starting on Saturday. One of the worst substitute appearances I’ve seen last night, within his first 5 minutes he’d had a shot go out for a throw, fell over as he ran into the box in a promising position and managed to pass the ball back to their keeper from 6 yards from Walkers scuffed shot. Early days in his Carlisle career but the signs aren’t promising.
  1. 17-02-2021 19:38
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Piglet_Phoenix
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Johan Cruyff once said... You can’t play dominant football with 4-4-2. Triangles disappear. You should always have triangles, only then you have passing options.


Fixed that for you.

Alex Ferguson did ok as a manager using 4-4-2. Leicester won the league not so long ago using 4-4-2, I could go on...

But to get back to Cruyff's quote, I disagree with him entirely. You can pass and move in whatever formation you choose to deploy, your formation isn't the same as your technical approach. Beech plays 4-3-3 but also prefers his players not to pass the ball, but to smash it forward long all game. What's the point of playing a formation conducive to making pretty triangles when you lump it all the time? Our approach to the game is closer to working in a tolberone factory than it is to emulating Cruyff's Barcelona team.
  1. 17-02-2021 20:37
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flumeblue
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Having seen them both play for Carlisle I do rate Brennan Dickenson and Dean Furman. Either one of them are worth a place on Saturday.
  1. 17-02-2021 20:38
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Johan Cruyff once said... You can’t play dominant football with 4-4-2. Triangles disappear. You should always have triangles, only then you have passing options.


Fixed that for you.

Alex Ferguson did ok as a manager using 4-4-2. Leicester won the league not so long ago using 4-4-2, I could go on...

But to get back to Cruyff's quote, I disagree with him entirely. You can pass and move in whatever formation you choose to deploy, your formation isn't the same as your technical approach. Beech plays 4-3-3 but also prefers his players not to pass the ball, but to smash it forward long all game. What's the point of playing a formation conducive to making pretty triangles when you lump it all the time? Our approach to the game is closer to working in a tolberone factory than it is to emulating Cruyff's Barcelona team.


To be fair to Beech I think it is a bit more nuanced than just ''Smashing the ball forward'' although watching last night i agree it would be hard to argue with that point.

Surely the theory is to get the ball forward quickly hoping one of our front three hold the ball up bringing others in to play, failing that winning the second ball and then playing our football, as I say that's the theory, the practise was way off last night. However in general the front six have been good at doing that up to now.

We have won more games playing that way than not and it can be exiting to watch. I don't for one second think we have been ''found out''

We have generally been overpowering teams but that takes a team that is very fit and cannot carry any passengers, we had a bus full last night but I for one am convinced a run of games Tuesday Saturday and we will soon be back up to speed.
  1. 17-02-2021 21:20
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Piglet_Phoenix
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"the theory is to get the ball forward quickly hoping one of our front three hold the ball up bringing others in to play, failing that winning the second ball"

So basically "hit and hope", the same tactics deployed by Allardyce, Beck, Bassett etc.

It's about as "nuanced" as a kick in the b_llocks, and once you know what's coming fairly easy to set up against.

We're not brutal enough (a la Lincoln) to successfully pull this approach off for the whole season, and the irony is we actually have some decent footballers in the squad so we're not playing to our strengths. I think Beech would actually make quite a decent scout as he can pick a player with potential, but turning those players into a team is looking a struggle for him.
  1. 17-02-2021 22:38
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Johan Cruyff once said... You can’t play dominant football with 4-4-2. Triangles disappear. You should always have triangles, only then you have passing options.


Fixed that for you.

Alex Ferguson did ok as a manager using 4-4-2. Leicester won the league not so long ago using 4-4-2, I could go on...

But to get back to Cruyff's quote, I disagree with him entirely. You can pass and move in whatever formation you choose to deploy, your formation isn't the same as your technical approach. Beech plays 4-3-3 but also prefers his players not to pass the ball, but to smash it forward long all game. What's the point of playing a formation conducive to making pretty triangles when you lump it all the time? Our approach to the game is closer to working in a tolberone factory than it is to emulating Cruyff's Barcelona team.
Football evolved it always has 3/2/2/3 used to be dominant before 4/4/2 . Tactics changes as the problems they cause get solved.
  1. 18-02-2021 08:56
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Happyblue
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"the theory is to get the ball forward quickly hoping one of our front three hold the ball up bringing others in to play, failing that winning the second ball"

So basically "hit and hope", the same tactics deployed by Allardyce, Beck, Bassett etc.

It's about as "nuanced" as a kick in the b_llocks, and once you know what's coming fairly easy to set up against.

We're not brutal enough (a la Lincoln) to successfully pull this approach off for the whole season, and the irony is we actually have some decent footballers in the squad so we're not playing to our strengths. I think Beech would actually make quite a decent scout as he can pick a player with potential, but turning those players into a team is looking a struggle for him.



I honestly think you have the worst knowledge of football of anyone on here .
  1. 18-02-2021 08:58
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Some folk are way to quick to judge players.
It took Zoko and Haywood a whole season to settle both got very close to leaving at one point.
  1. 18-02-2021 10:19
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Happyblue
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Some folk are way to quick to judge players.
It took Zoko and Haywood a whole season to settle both got very close to leaving at one point.

Zoko didn't take a year to settle in , after he's first few matches he was so impressive his 6 month contract was extended .

But fans are way to quick , look at Danny Grainger, Charlie wyke, .
  1. 18-02-2021 10:26
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pacirv
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Remember Zoko being left out by Abbott and made to play in the Cumberland Cup. He was far from happy about it and didn't make any effort in the game. It must have worked in the end tho :D
  1. 18-02-2021 10:59
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nobbyblue
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Zoko was particularly brilliant when a contract (or new contract) might be in the offing.
  1. 18-02-2021 11:16
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Piglet_Phoenix
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Haywood was excellent from the moment he signed for us.

Scored on his debut, if memory serves, and was an upgrade on Davey giving us an extra dimension in midfield.
  1. 18-02-2021 14:52
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Piglet_Phoenix
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Football evolved it always has 3/2/2/3 used to be dominant before 4/4/2 . Tactics changes as the problems they cause get solved.


4-3-3 is actually an older formation than 4-4-2. Using a tactical approach deployed for the first time in the 1930s and then more regularly in the 50s & 60s is not "evolution"

AC Milan were the first side to use a genuine 4-4-2, way after the birth of 4-3-3.
  1. 18-02-2021 15:11
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nobbyblue
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Who is this Heywood fella?!
  1. 18-02-2021 15:14
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Who is this Heywood fella?!



I much preferred watching Steve Hayward play, after Davey left for Preston
  1. 18-02-2021 15:28
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09sider
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Farman

Tanner
Hayden
Bennett
Anderton

Riley
Guy
Dickinson

Kayode
Allesandra
Walker

Same as versus Harrogate, Beech doesn't seem like knee jerk sort of manager, he'll set his best team out as he sees it and only change if they consistently fail to deliver.

He has an excellent bench to shuffle the front 3 if needed. Toure and Patrick are such high energy players that both are better it given <45 minutes.

Personally I'd have Armer at LB but as he's been given the armband Anderton has a couple of lives left.
  1. 18-02-2021 16:48
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MidtableCUFC
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Farman
Tanner
Bennett
Hayden
Armer

Guy
Riley
Mellish

Kayode
Alessandra
Toure
  1. 18-02-2021 22:31
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redders71
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I think Beech has his favourites and no matter how they play will go with them next game.
Anderton, Tanner and Guy were especially poor on Tuesday but will start Saturday.
Walker was ineffective so surely can't start.
Armer will miss out on the bench as we have Dickinson to cover LB with either Furman or Scott being drafted in.
Personally I think that is piss poor as Armer deserves to be starting for me and will only get better the more he plays.
  1. 19-02-2021 05:25
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I agree about Anderton, he's got to start delivering some big performances soon or armband or not, Armer will be in at LB.
  1. 19-02-2021 11:03
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solwayblue
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I am happy to leave it up to Beech, in reality we may offer an opinion but let's leave it to the people in the know.
  1. 19-02-2021 14:53
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ccu
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I’d go with a 4-2-3-1 to mix it up a bit:

Farman,
Tanner, Hayden, Bennett, Armer,
Furman, Guy,
Kayode, Alessandra, Patrick,
Scott.



Subs: Norman, Anderton, McDonald, Riley, Mellish, Dickenson, Toure.
  1. 19-02-2021 17:42
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crunchblue
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As poor as Dickenson was on Tuesday, I’m not going to write him off after his first start in a year, in a shit team performance on a terrible pitch.

Think I’d give him another start against Salford.
  1. 19-02-2021 17:34
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ccu
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Knew I’d missed someone, he can go on Bench!
  1. 19-02-2021 17:42
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No Walker in the squad, CCU?!
  1. 19-02-2021 18:21
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ccu
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Nope. Him and Zanzala haven’t done enough for me in the last games...
  1. 19-02-2021 18:30
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newcarlislefan
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Give him a bit of time. He's hardly played any football. He'll score winning goals this season.
  1. 19-02-2021 18:35
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Piglet_Phoenix
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Walker was poor when he was with us earlier this season, his decision making in the final third is awful. His actual influence on games was a negative.

After he was injured and out of the side our form and effectiveness as a team dramatically improved.

Now he's back and has waltzed straight back into the starting XI (with zero justification) he's continued his fine form and we're playing like crap again.

Coincidence? No. Bad management? Yes.
  1. 19-02-2021 19:06
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Got to be time to give Armer a chance, Anderton keeps giving away penalties and free kicks. I would start Patrick as well, always looks lively.
We'll do well to get anything tomorrow
  1. 19-02-2021 19:28
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I’d go with a 4-2-3-1 to mix it up a bit:

Farman,
Tanner, Hayden, Bennett, Armer,
Furman, Guy,
Kayode, Alessandra, Patrick,
Scott.



Subs: Norman, Anderton, McDonald, Riley, Mellish, Dickenson, Toure.



I've got a feeling Mellish will start and I'd be very surprised if Anderton gets dropped, Beech likes him.

Good team you've selected but not sure Riley deserves to be dropped though.
  1. 20-02-2021 08:39
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aberdeenblue28
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Walker was poor when he was with us earlier this season, his decision making in the final third is awful. His actual influence on games was a negative.

After he was injured and out of the side our form and effectiveness as a team dramatically improved.

Now he's back and has waltzed straight back into the starting XI (with zero justification) he's continued his fine form and we're playing like crap again.

Coincidence? No. Bad management? Yes.

Yeah I agree with that, Walker was never that good in his first spell and often ran down blind alleys. If anything he should be playing on the right and use his pace and drive to get to the byline instead of having to check back. His miss away to Scunthorpe cost us that game.
  1. 20-02-2021 09:16
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nobbyblue
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I thought Walker looked quite impressive in his first spell. Not sure what his best position is though.
  1. 20-02-2021 10:01
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I thought Walker looked quite impressive in his first spell. Not sure what his best position is though.


He did when he was playing attacking left midfield.
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crunchblue
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We'll do well to get anything tomorrow


Agreed. I said before the Harrogate game that I think we’ll lose the next 3 games, so defeat today and on Tuesday against Tranmere.

Then after that we should be back to a good level, the fixtures start to look favourable for a few weeks and I expect us to put a good run together.
  1. 20-02-2021 10:08
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The criticism of Walker is totally unfair and quite disgusting The lad is only 18 FFS
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The criticism of Walker is totally unfair and quite disgusting The lad is only 18 FFS


Disgusting is a bit far , he was poor on Tuesday I forgot he was playing. Although the way we played was for from suited to his style of play and the pitch was to poor. For him to get the ball at his feet .
  1. 20-02-2021 11:08
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carlisleunited
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Farman
Tanner
Bennett
Hayden
Armer

Guy
Riley
Mellish

Kayode
Alessandra
Toure


I'd go with that team and give Toure and Patrick half each. Patrick looks far more effective off the bench, as that's what we were doing earlier in the season, a great impact sub.

Don't get me wrong, he's good enough to start, but starting Toure we looked better earlier on.
  1. 20-02-2021 11:14
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Salford are 15/8 and we're 8/5. Good odds on them considering they are a few unbeaten at home.
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