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  3. 20-03-2017 12:23
Looks like they have made a loan to the 1921 company-registered at Companies House.
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Nixon (TOTH ) and Pattison should certainly be removed from their Directorships and never have a say in the running of the club again.
However the same should apply to Jenkins who is the main reason for our problems. It would be a dreadful mistake to allow any of the 3 to have a say in the running of CUFC ever again. I would judge any potential takeover by the above.
  1. 22-03-2017 15:24
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Nice to see someone in Bangladesh can get a response from them.
  1. 25-05-2020 02:51
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Dirty trick by EWM at a time when people are most vulnerable. A decision they will live to regret.
  1. 19-03-2020 20:13
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Ill treat your post as sensible even though I think you are a wind up merchant.

I don't think there are many on here who are, as you refer to them, football supporters with a success overnight attitude. Most who post on here would be happy , initially , with an owner who could put into place a plan to halt our ongoing decline. This decline is firmly and fairly on the shoulders of the custodians. We also need an owner who values the supporters and will put in place a plan to attract more support and maintain it. We need forward thinkers not the stuck in the seventies buffoons we have now. Most fans aren't expecting the premier league in five years, personally i hope we never reach the premiership. Most fans just want some hope, something to be optimistic about, a club that is forward looking.
  1. 28-05-2018 20:53
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I was privelidged to see Carlisle's only season in the top flight and certainly don't expect them to get there again. But equally why should myself and others have to accept the crap served up over the last nine years, which is the direct responsibility of Jenkins, Pattinson and Nixon.
  1. 30-08-2018 21:42
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Thanks Silentone. that all looks very standard. I think people have pieced together most of the clues. It looks very much like a two-stage process. EWM come in now as lender of last resort taking out PFD (Pioneer) and probably absolving AJ from the need to put any more money in. EWM will then look at stadium naming rights, shirt sponsorship etc and possibly a full takeover in the summer. The Jenkins family can withdraw gracefully from supporting the club financially leaving AJ there as Life President. Probably some more information will be released later this week and more in the programme notes on Saturday.

If my guesswork is correct then this has to be good news all round.
  1. 22-03-2017 12:44
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I wont let go of any of their shite till they go and admit the billionaire is a big fat lie
  1. 24-03-2017 21:38
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He won’t be no hero in my eyes, I think he’s an ignoramus the way he ignores people’s requests for interviews and keeping the fans in the dark.
I would much rather have approachable local businessmen in who are accountable for what they do.
  1. 20-03-2020 06:55
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I get the impression that Clibbens is trying to control the news flow so that for a change the club's pr is better handled.


He's disabled Pattinson's Twitter account?
  1. 24-03-2017 09:10
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If John Nixon has any involvement within the club apart from cleaning the bogs once this deal is finalised Day can go and get [censored] too.
  1. 24-03-2017 21:16
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The main problem as I see it is time. All the time we are just standing still, if not going backwards. New season coming and the club is flat, no buzz, nothing. If they had the club's interests at heart they would have stepped aside ages ago. Temporary custodians my arse.
  1. 05-07-2017 22:58
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Was planning to boycott the season like many, however couldn't resist any longer come yesterday morning. I love Carlisle United. I attended. I loved every minute.

Superb energy in Brunton Park come full time. Like myself, four thousand people cheering at full time desperate for success. The passion in their faces and voices said it all.

So come on Mr Day, you hold all the cards, let us dream. Please give us the chance to go on an amazing journey. Please don't let us be the only sports club on the planet owned (in everything but name) by a billionaire, but operated on a shoestring budget!
  1. 26-08-2018 15:40
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Translated. They are propping the failed regime up and will continue to do so. We won't say why, it's nothing to do with you plebs, so go away.
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Jumpers for goalposts?;)
  1. 20-03-2017 21:27
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I take your hungry lions and shackled bears and raise you a two week jam deprived markredfox...


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  1. 21-03-2017 20:33
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Just hope their interest doesn't shrink in the wash
  1. 30-03-2017 14:55
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  1. 30-03-2017 17:58
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hopefully the new incumbents will have the balls to do a Bradford, up to a point. with the expected upsurge in attendance once the news is official, they should take the bull by the horns and slash ST prices. never mind early bird and renewal bonuses, a simple £200 would show intent and help remove the feeling of contempt towards the fans that has hung over the place for years.

I believe that when Nixon was asked why we don't do as Bradford do and have £149 ST, he replied 'only clubs desperate for money do that'.
aye, that desperate they only get 20,000 at home games.
  1. 30-03-2017 22:31
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Doesn't everybody see what is happening? We tried the big spending approach with Curle which brought us a top 10 position, an annual loss of £700k, no young players of our own being developed, dull football and falling attendances. Clibbens with the tacit support of EWM has said we need to have a different approach.

They have looked at the figures and seen if they take £750k out the playing budget and play attractive football the Club might expect to finish say 10th to 14th but importantly break even. With a good manager we could do much better as Accrington have proved. Add in the prospect of future football fortune from selling on players like we used to do and suddenly the Club looks a much more attractive proposition for new owners/investment.

People are wrong to say EWM are simply keeping the Board in place. They are actually working with Clibbens to bring about change.
  1. 18-05-2018 09:55
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Is that the space between your ears?
  1. 30-08-2018 14:25
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Sphincter.
  1. 03-04-2019 10:55
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FFS, so we have the farcical situation which could probably only happen at Carlisle United, where we are controlled/owned in everything but name by a Dubai based billionaire, but operated on the budget of a non league team.

There must be someone, just someone in PD's extensive list of business and personal contacts willing to take us on! Come on Phil man, help us out here. Drop leaflets through letter boxes on the Dubai Palm, flyer the Sheikhs, work the bars of the Burj Al Arab Jumeirah, email every wealthy person you know. Come on Phil, you are a sales guy, get out there man and tell the world - CARLISLE UNITED IS FOR SALE.
  1. 09-07-2019 07:50
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I've supported this club since the early 60's.

There are 92 clubs in our leagues as it stands, the way football is now televised and promoted worldwide you would thought a club like ours would be attractive to potential investors.

I have never been keen on overseas investors just because there wouldn't be a real local connection.

It is every fans dream to have a local businessman, a la Fred Story to take the club on and build it up sensibly without breaking the bank, we are never going to be in the Champions Leauge.

Now we have a local businessman, a billionaire no less,running the club and where are we? A few points off the National League.

It is the frustration of not knowing what's going on that kills peoples enthusiasm, for christ sake just give us a clue.
  1. 23-12-2019 22:25
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We didnt get progressively worse under Gregg but we did keep him past his sell by date.


Said it a hundred times before on here. Under Abbott we had year on year improvement in L1, until his last full Season (12/13). We should’ve parted that Summer like we did with Curle.

Abbott also had plenty of contacts for bringing in Loans, we had some crackers under him.

Far, far better Manager than most like to give him credit for some unknown reason...
  1. 26-12-2019 10:32
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They're really not endearing themselves to the fans for a takeover that's for sure.

Refuse to tell the fans anything at all as to their intentions for the club. They are worse than the board in that respect.

Propping up a failed regime at CUFC.

Now crapping on their staff from a great height.
  1. 19-03-2020 22:25
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  1. 23-05-2020 08:22
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Probably to ensure the £1m apiece for Man Utd and England debuts for Henderson goes to repayment...

:D
  1. 03-09-2020 17:20
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When Henderson plays his 600th game for Man Utd we have plans in place to upgrade the paddock bogs.
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Am looking forward to next seasons new kit....

maybe a nice navy blue lambs wool v neck with white chevron..
  1. 20-03-2017 17:39
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I wouldn't get too giddy about this as a couple of wins will see a "mystery overseas investor" appear and Day will be given his money back and told to wait for 5 to 10 days whilst they have "talks".
  1. 20-03-2017 21:56
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Good structure would be 76pc EWM,14pc locals and 10pc protected for the Trust.

Simple
  1. 21-03-2017 16:17
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We could end up like the sports direct for knitwear. Outlets all over selling 70% off all jumpers and woollen socks.

The first knitted kit. Heaviest strip going and all our fans in 'club wear' on the terraces in v necks and polo sweatshirts.

A knitted roof over the waterworks end and KC sat in the dugout dressed head to toe in an acrylic onesie.
Come on Day! Get your finger out and make it happen.
  1. 21-03-2017 17:55
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All looking quite exciting then if Carwashes theory is correct.

Don't know what the set up will be but Nixon and Pattinson will be uncomfortable if they are forced to engage with the fans more and not be allowed to hide anymore.

You can't buy success but it would be nice to see a well run club with people running it that create that buzz that makes people feel that they are welcome back, they may even improve the catering - just little things.

And lets not forget, we are only two promotions away from being in what I believe is one of the most exciting leagues in Europe due to its unpredictability.

All sounds good, a bit like the Berlin Wall being smashed down in footballing terms :)


Let's not be getting carried away, a takeover yes but to improve catering would be inconceivable!


Dunno, looks like Deano's having a cracking on another thread.
  1. 23-03-2017 00:27
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Does Phillip Day live in the UK full time or is he a non dom? If hes a non dom and his time in the country is restricted I imagine he would need someone running the club on a day to day and his own involvement would be limited. In which case I worry that Jenkins is simply going to be replaced by Day as Mr Emergency Loan and Nixon/Clibbins end up staying where they are.


PD is a UK citizen living in Cumbria. There is no way he could qualify as a non dom under the current tax rules.


Ok, wasnt sure as id heard it mentioned that he possibly lived overseas and only came back to Brampton at certain times of the year. Made me wonder how much of that time hed be prepared to spend on cufc.


Why would you live anywhere else in the world when you can live in Brampton.
  1. 24-03-2017 17:06
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The Archer we are where we are because of AJ's inability to run a football club aided and abetted by Nixon. They need to go along with the other waste of space if our club is to survive .
  1. 24-03-2017 22:43
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Northernsoul may I point out I did not say the the EWM were taking over . Stop making assumptions. Also you call people thick is like the kettle calling the pot black you can't even tell the difference between an apostrophe and a comma . Your a gobshite with never any evidence to back up what you say as you can't provide any. As for you constantly writing in capitals , it's been proven not to attract people's attention and more people ignore it .
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Greetings from Nashville

I suspect the Board are hoping PD becomes embroiled in the Club to the point that he cannot extract himself-like a Venus fly trap.He then assumes control and off we go.Trouble is we don't know if that's what PD wants.

With three levels of debt now in the Club,plus creditors, capex on BP and falling attendances,NC is quite right to note the Club aren't seeking new investment-it would be totally ludicrous to think anyone would invest in this balance sheet.The Board cannot be comfortable with the level of debt.The Trust should be asking the question rather than getting bogged down in flag waiving,raffles and other minutiae.

The Club is getting more and more into debt-and the P&L is under pressure again due to poor performances on the pitch.Its like we have gone back to 2014 again I'm afraid.The spiral I mentioned a few days ago.
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I can accept poor decisions and mistakes by the board and management. I can accept poor performances on the pitch, but I cannot accept being fobbed off and not told the truth. The club is cancer riddled and it makes me sick!
  1. 17-09-2017 18:24
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I don't know but I think EWM feel a moral responsibility as the wealthiest company which will be based in Carlisle to support us. The arrangement so far is entirely commercial and lacking in any 'benevolence. Clibbens has said he is working to extend the relationship however I would interpret this as meaning borrowing more money beyond the value of the existing security and relying on the good will of EWM.

Where the relationship will take the Club is unclear but at the moment it is ensuring our survival after Curle spending money like water.


Curle spent the budget he was given, it wasn't his job to make sure the club could afford to provide that budget.
  1. 08-05-2018 10:28
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Doesn't everybody see what is happening? We tried the big spending approach with Curle which brought us a top 10 position, an annual loss of £700k, no young players of our own being developed, dull football and falling attendances. Clibbens with the tacit support of EWM has said we need to have a different approach.

They have looked at the figures and seen if they take £750k out the playing budget and play attractive football the Club might expect to finish say 10th to 14th but importantly break even. With a good manager we could do much better as Accrington have proved. Add in the prospect of future football fortune from selling on players like we used to do and suddenly the Club looks a much more attractive proposition for new owners/investment.

People are wrong to say EWM are simply keeping the Board in place. They are actually working with Clibbens to bring about change.


But if you look at those figures put on the Forum yesterday Carlisle spend an average amount on players wages - 11th, I think. Not sure as to the voracity of those figures but it doesn't seem a million miles off.
I know lots of people don't like Curle but he didn't have a top budget and if the past few seasons have represented a big spending approach then God help the club in its new austerity role. Big spenders are Notts County, Luton, Mansfield, Coventry, Chesterfield, Swindon, Exeter and so on.
Accrington are the only successful team I can see in the bottom 2 divisions doing it on a shoestring. If it was easy and the norm all the clubs would have a weekly wage bill of 15k. It isn't and stories like Accrington attract such interest because they are so unusual. It's not to say that Carlisle can't do that but to spend 3 years putting money into a squad and then dismantling it seems knee jerk.
Wiping out an annual loss of 700k in 1 year is hugely risky if it means slashing the playing staff. I appreciate that racking up debts isn't sustainable in the long term but this feels like a fire sale but with no sales coming in.
It can't go on losing 700k and something needs to change but this has the feel of crushing a butterfly on a wheel.
Sales of players from L2 clubs in the past year over 250K - Wyke's fee, I think, total 9 players. 1 was Ched Evans. 2 were from Exeter, 2 from Luton, 1 from Forest Green, 1 from Coventry, 1 from Lincoln and 1, you've guessed it, 1 from Accrington.
All of these cubs are big spenders apart from Accy.
It's a fantastic model to try and copy and there's nothing wrong in aspiring to it but if you look at stats, successful teams, player sales etc etc it all points to investment unless you happen to have this unique Accy story.
The current slash and burn approach is my eyes just backs the club into a corner. It's like, well tried this, it didn't work so let's do the complete opposite.
If I was Clibbens I spend a week in Exeter and a week in Luton. Speak to everybody from the bottom to the top of the club. And then go to Accy and spend a week there.
It's such a risky strategy just getting rid of the higher earners and hoping that you unearth a new manager who's going to find hidden jewels.
You're right that player sales, as Luton and Exeter have done, generate football fortune but where's the room for it in this model? Player development isn't free.
And in the meantime the club, hopefully won't go down.
I's very risky. It does look good for investment or a takeover but only if it's in L2.
It just all feels so very rushed and draconian at the moment. I hope I'm wrong but it's asking an awful lot to get a new man in who can keep the club going forwards and keeping fans coming in with a lower playing budget.
If breaking even and finishing 14th means new investment then it's been a job well done by Clibbens. We got 10th last year with Clint in the side.
But, boy, it's a hell of a gamble.
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When it goes tits up you mean. This season is gonna be make or break. I fear the latter is the most likely. I hope I'm wrong


Seems like the reluctant custodians have found an equally reluctant cash cow.

EWM should be chucking money at their new project or they are of very little use to us drip feeding Jenkins cash here and there if Holdsworth deems it acceptable.

This business model seems crap to me, just give Sheridan some cash to bring in some quality, between the pair of them this is peanuts to do so why are they behaving like Scrooge?

Just move over and let someone else in, talk about clinging on with your fingertips on the outside of a fast moving car, these lot are a disgrace.
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...the other thing about EWM, they are not one's for spouting. Day is never quoted, and at best, any other quotes from EWM are from "a Company spokesperson"

They tend to get on with it....


Like what happened at Gelt Woods?
  1. 26-07-2018 16:57
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We wont be avoiding it for much longer with the 3 amigos in charge and if you think otherwise you are totally deluded.
The club has never prospered under Jenkins control
If it hadn't been for Knighton taking it off him we would be by now a nice little non-league club to quote Jenkins' comment at the time and OK he didn't exactly come out of it smelling of roses but kept us afloat.
Jenkins and his 2 sidekicks couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery let alone run a football club.
The whole club is a shambles and has been on a downward spiral since Fred walked out the door and gave the idiots the club.
I think a well done to the trust for participating in that one.
Only a change of ownership and kicking CUOSC into the long grass will help our club to survive and move forward
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Well Mouldy, my friends who dont post on here are very happy that EWM are propping the club up. They only see it as a good thing. I say to them well theyre preventing new ownership to which i get well no one wants to buy us anyway or if they do they havent come out and said so. Hard to argue with them tbh.
  1. 03-11-2018 10:43
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Good on them reporting this. Everyone should know that you don't cross anyone from Maryport and get away with it.
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Rola cola
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When I was a kid we went on holiday to St Andrews and the Edinburgh Woolly Mill shop had a cafe on the first floor that overlooked the last tee on the old course AND gave out free pop to kids

It's this kind of largesse that has led to it collapsing on its arse

Though if they owned the freehold on that site they could probably sell it and clear whatever financial difficulties they've got

Arse, just checked on google maps and it's now a golf shop


Oh dear goodness that has brought back a memory from a holiday trip there in the mid-80s.

We went to that cafe as well, free refill fizzy juice from a series of dispensing slots like where they now put the Orange juice in a hotel breakfast. Me, my brother and cousin all gorged ourselves on the stuff and couldn't move for the rest of the day for the pissing and burping :D We were mixing and matching from the dispensers as well, so one third Cola, one third lemonade and one third Iron Brew or whatever to see who could come up with the best mix. :p

Happy times and places. Sorry we screwed EWM and thousands may lose their jobs but we certainly got our moneys worth.
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You need to be a part of the new world order Kes. Those of us in the know were told to buy Pfiser last week ;)
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Afternoon

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2020/nov/10/uk-unemployment-redundancies-record-high-covid-19-markets-business-live

This is why we need socialism. Unemployment is soaring, more and more people are being pushed into poverty as a result of this pandemic but the fat cats and the businessmen continue to get rich.


And Mullen
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‘Happy with where we are’

It seems mediocrity and under achievement is contagious.I find it corrosive and call it failure
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