Tuesday, 17 December 2019
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Now the GE is done and dusted, and with MP’s returning to Parliament today to begin being sworn in, we’ve locked the GE Thread last night, and you can now use this one for any Westminster related stuff.

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7 hours ago
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#311918
How about watching your next door neighbour having his head blown off by a Russian soldier then having your own place machine gunned as you are ordered to leave?Then staying behind to pick up your neighbour’s body parts in a bag so he can be disposed of?

As an aside, my sponsored family received a Council tax bill from Northumberland CC for 22/23, only a couple of weeks since moving into their house with precisely nothing.Watch this space as I will be taking this crap to the highest possible level in a very public way.


Terrible isn't it. But then if their government hadn't spent 8 years ignoring the Minsk agreement and shelling donetsk daily this wouldn't have happened. 75% of the civilian casualties are ethnic Russians. That's what happens when you have America as an ally


Lies, and you know it, as has been shown and proved on multiple occasions, in this thread, and is fact, the Ukrainians did not start the problems in Donbas region, it was started by the Ruskies.

The orgy of Raping Women and Children in 2022 is a legacy that the Rusky people will have to carry as a heavy burden for generations to come. It will be part of war tribunals, and in the future, the most heinous crimes will be replayed time and time again, as the West will never let the Ruskies forget.

Putin will not care one iota. he will be dust.


Only thing you've ever proved on multiple occasions is that you are dumb as a brick. I just got back yesterday, annoyingly missing the Penrith game. Europe is now preparing a letter from Lithuania that forces them to back down on Kaliningrad. Numerous countries have said no more money for weapons, NATO as of today can't defend Latvia if Russia invades. Britain has enough ammunition to support a war for 3 days. The British delegation was forced to admit that Scotland won't release any more funds for Ukraine from her budget. Ukraine has gone from a 3:1 advantage in numbers to parity on the front line. Europe needs the war to end before the cold weather comes, and China has rated very badly to US statements that it is encouraging war.

France 24 from Lisishchansk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQJJIvakwo&ab_channel=FRANCE24English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vi9BCo1jNw&ab_channel=PatrickLancaster



The war in Donbas is an armed conflict in the Donbas region of Ukraine, part of the broader Russo-Ukrainian War. In March 2014, immediately following the Euromaidan protest movement and subsequent Revolution of Dignity, protests by pro-Russian, anti-government separatist groups arose in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, collectively called the Donbas. These demonstrations began around the same time as Russia's annexation of Crimea, and were part of wider pro-Russian protests across southern and eastern Ukraine. Declaring the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR, respectively), armed Russian-backed separatist groups seized government buildings throughout the Donbas, leading to armed conflict with Ukrainian government forces

With Love from the Brick (and Wikipedia)

Soon to be followed by the Torture, Mutilation and Rape of Men, Women and Children by the Rusky Rapists.
7 hours ago
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#311915
Boris's wild promises to Ukraine are just not deliverable. As Marko says we now don't have enough ammo for our own defences and NATO commitments never mind supplying Ukraine. And other European countries are in similar positions. We have done what we can to support Ukraine but as we are not on a war footing we don't have the defence production capabilities to sustain a war. Ukraine has mainly been using its huge stock of ex-Soviet shells. NATO shells are not compatible. The ammunition stores are being rapidly depleted and there have been almost comical attempts to source Soviet ammo from countries in Africa and Asia which have stockpiles. Arms dealers have been scurrying around trying to do deals only to find the Russians have beaten them to it by buying up everything they can in return for gold, cash and promises of cheap grain.
7 hours ago
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#311914
I must admit I thought twice when Boris announced a further £1bn for arms when it’s clear the Russians are going to win.Difficult decisions
8 hours ago
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#311913
How about watching your next door neighbour having his head blown off by a Russian soldier then having your own place machine gunned as you are ordered to leave?Then staying behind to pick up your neighbour’s body parts in a bag so he can be disposed of?

As an aside, my sponsored family received a Council tax bill from Northumberland CC for 22/23, only a couple of weeks since moving into their house with precisely nothing.Watch this space as I will be taking this crap to the highest possible level in a very public way.


Terrible isn't it. But then if their government hadn't spent 8 years ignoring the Minsk agreement and shelling donetsk daily this wouldn't have happened. 75% of the civilian casualties are ethnic Russians. That's what happens when you have America as an ally


Lies, and you know it, as has been shown and proved on multiple occasions, in this thread, and is fact, the Ukrainians did not start the problems in Donbas region, it was started by the Ruskies.

The orgy of Raping Women and Children in 2022 is a legacy that the Rusky people will have to carry as a heavy burden for generations to come. It will be part of war tribunals, and in the future, the most heinous crimes will be replayed time and time again, as the West will never let the Ruskies forget.

Putin will not care one iota. he will be dust.


Only thing you've ever proved on multiple occasions is that you are dumb as a brick. I just got back yesterday, annoyingly missing the Penrith game. Europe is now preparing a letter from Lithuania that forces them to back down on Kaliningrad. Numerous countries have said no more money for weapons, NATO as of today can't defend Latvia if Russia invades. Britain has enough ammunition to support a war for 3 days. The British delegation was forced to admit that Scotland won't release any more funds for Ukraine from her budget. Ukraine has gone from a 3:1 advantage in numbers to parity on the front line. Europe needs the war to end before the cold weather comes, and China has rated very badly to US statements that it is encouraging war.

France 24 from Lisishchansk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQJJIvakwo&ab_channel=FRANCE24English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vi9BCo1jNw&ab_channel=PatrickLancaster
8 hours ago
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#311912
I don't think people on this messageboard will understand what you have to achieve to become a newly qualified solicitor at a top city firm. The salary is similar to a teenage footballer at a Premier League club but the job is much harder to get. Firstly you need to be in the top 25% or so of law graduates from Oxford or Cambridge or a star student at a handful of other universities to be selected to do your articles (training) at a top City firm. You are then expected to work a minimum of 60 hours a week and be constantly on call. You will have no social life. Your work is stressful and your job security is very poor as a newly-qualified if you don't hit your targets for chargeable hours. Frankly I am surprised that clever young people want to subject themselves to such purgatory in the hope that eventually they might make partner.
8 hours ago
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#311911
It highlights my point about the dross we end up with in Parliament-why be an MP on £80k a year?So we end up with touchers, thieves, uneducated, sycophant rubbish
... and...
2 days ago
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#311784
How about watching your next door neighbour having his head blown off by a Russian soldier then having your own place machine gunned as you are ordered to leave?Then staying behind to pick up your neighbour’s body parts in a bag so he can be disposed of?

As an aside, my sponsored family received a Council tax bill from Northumberland CC for 22/23, only a couple of weeks since moving into their house with precisely nothing.Watch this space as I will be taking this crap to the highest possible level in a very public way.


Terrible isn't it. But then if their government hadn't spent 8 years ignoring the Minsk agreement and shelling donetsk daily this wouldn't have happened. 75% of the civilian casualties are ethnic Russians. That's what happens when you have America as an ally


Lies, and you know it, as has been shown and proved on multiple occasions, in this thread, and is fact, the Ukrainians did not start the problems in Donbas region, it was started by the Ruskies.

The orgy of Raping Women and Children in 2022 is a legacy that the Rusky people will have to carry as a heavy burden for generations to come. It will be part of war tribunals, and in the future, the most heinous crimes will be replayed time and time again, as the West will never let the Ruskies forget.

Putin will not care one iota. he will be dust.
2 days ago
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#311780
How about watching your next door neighbour having his head blown off by a Russian soldier then having your own place machine gunned as you are ordered to leave?Then staying behind to pick up your neighbour’s body parts in a bag so he can be disposed of?

As an aside, my sponsored family received a Council tax bill from Northumberland CC for 22/23, only a couple of weeks since moving into their house with precisely nothing.Watch this space as I will be taking this crap to the highest possible level in a very public way.


Terrible isn't it. But then if their government hadn't spent 8 years ignoring the Minsk agreement and shelling donetsk daily this wouldn't have happened. 75% of the civilian casualties are ethnic Russians. That's what happens when you have America as an ally
2 days ago
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#311779
With respect Laffy, if you move into a house you are liable to pay council tax. There are certain exemptions but they don't include being poor or being Ukrainian. You'll just have to help them out a little bit more until their universal credit comes through.
2 days ago
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#311777
How about watching your next door neighbour having his head blown off by a Russian soldier then having your own place machine gunned as you are ordered to leave?Then staying behind to pick up your neighbour’s body parts in a bag so he can be disposed of?

As an aside, my sponsored family received a Council tax bill from Northumberland CC for 22/23, only a couple of weeks since moving into their house with precisely nothing.Watch this space as I will be taking this crap to the highest possible level in a very public way.
2 days ago
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#311775
Did I miss the point? So we have had 49 claims of butchery, targeting civilians, rape, genocide, some more rape for our oaps etcetc. Its all been mince. But claim number 50 is true? Getting a bit tired isn't it?

Shopping malls in Ukraine have the same issues as the lanes. Internet sites, shoppers have no cash etc so half the shops are shut. Then add in that since February air, road, river and rail commercial transport is non existant, what shops are open and selling? A market, different question, but who is selling what, and to whom?

It could be true, but what is the chance, based on recent history?
"Detonation of stored Western weapons and ammunition caused a fire in a nearby non-functioning shopping mall" stated Igor Konashenkov, Russian Defence Military spokesperson.

Glad that one is cleared up Marko.
3 days ago
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#311748
If it’s not all about money, why the [censored] is half the country wanting to be out on strike??

To suggest money isn’t the key motivator for most workers is naive


There are now food banks set up in hospitals for staff to use yes that’s Nurses is this what this country has come too

Nurse and public sector workers are at least 20% behind in pay over the 12 years of Tory rule

I work in the private sector my wife’s pay as a nurse was always on par with mine since we met 32 years ago Now her pay is a long way behind me





What a pile of poop..........

If your wife has been a nurse for 32 years, she will now be at least a Band 6 or 7 (or should be)

Now, if a nurse with 5 years + service is earning less than £33k, then they need to look in the mirror, and ask themselves why.

As your wife will have been in the Pension Scheme prior to 1995, she can also retire at 55 on a full Pension.

If you cannot live off £33k in Carlisle, then you need some lessons in economics, meaning the whole food-bank issue is a scam, or BS !

https://www.nurses.co.uk/careers-hub/nursing-pay-guide/


She’s top of a band 6 But I earn 10k more her pay hasn’t kept up We don’t need food banks

This isn’t a scam or BS

At least six NHS trusts have set up food banks or launched food voucher schemes for workers as part of efforts to help staff cope with the rising cost of living.

Before the current crises an estimated one in eight NHS workers were affected by in-work poverty.

Mr Brown made the intervention giving a speech at the Royal College of Nursing’s annual congress in Glasgow yesterday.

“Thousands of nurses report that, because of the cost-of-living crisis, they are skipping meals so they can feed their children,” he said.



The food-banks with the exception of one, are in and around London. In Carlisle we can only dream of the private property rent costs they charge.

London is a bubble, and is not reflective of the rest of the UK, unless your on the dole, or earning at least £50k min you simply cannot afford to live there.

If everyone's income was based on the living costs of London, we'd go bankrupt.

You need to cut your cloth accordingly, so unless you are high earner, or in a household with two incomes, you simply cannot afford to live in London alone.


I give you some credit of looking up facts it’s not a scam or BS

A band 5 nurse is on starts 25 k after paying for 3 years training
3 days ago
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#311747
If it’s not all about money, why the [censored] is half the country wanting to be out on strike??

To suggest money isn’t the key motivator for most workers is naive


There are now food banks set up in hospitals for staff to use yes that’s Nurses is this what this country has come too

Nurse and public sector workers are at least 20% behind in pay over the 12 years of Tory rule

I work in the private sector my wife’s pay as a nurse was always on par with mine since we met 32 years ago Now her pay is a long way behind me





What a pile of poop..........

If your wife has been a nurse for 32 years, she will now be at least a Band 6 or 7 (or should be)

Now, if a nurse with 5 years + service is earning less than £33k, then they need to look in the mirror, and ask themselves why.

As your wife will have been in the Pension Scheme prior to 1995, she can also retire at 55 on a full Pension.

If you cannot live off £33k in Carlisle, then you need some lessons in economics, meaning the whole food-bank issue is a scam, or BS !

https://www.nurses.co.uk/careers-hub/nursing-pay-guide/


She’s top of a band 6 But I earn 10k more her pay hasn’t kept up We don’t need food banks

This isn’t a scam or BS

At least six NHS trusts have set up food banks or launched food voucher schemes for workers as part of efforts to help staff cope with the rising cost of living.

Before the current crises an estimated one in eight NHS workers were affected by in-work poverty.

Mr Brown made the intervention giving a speech at the Royal College of Nursing’s annual congress in Glasgow yesterday.

“Thousands of nurses report that, because of the cost-of-living crisis, they are skipping meals so they can feed their children,” he said.



The food-banks with the exception of one, are in and around London. In Carlisle we can only dream of the private property rent costs they charge.

London is a bubble, and is not reflective of the rest of the UK, unless your on the dole, or earning at least £50k min you simply cannot afford to live there.

If everyone's income was based on the living costs of London, we'd go bankrupt.

You need to cut your cloth accordingly, so unless you are high earner, or in a household with two incomes, you simply cannot afford to live in London alone.
3 days ago
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#311743
If it’s not all about money, why the [censored] is half the country wanting to be out on strike??

To suggest money isn’t the key motivator for most workers is naive


There are now food banks set up in hospitals for staff to use yes that’s Nurses is this what this country has come too

Nurse and public sector workers are at least 20% behind in pay over the 12 years of Tory rule

I work in the private sector my wife’s pay as a nurse was always on par with mine since we met 32 years ago Now her pay is a long way behind me





What a pile of poop..........

If your wife has been a nurse for 32 years, she will now be at least a Band 6 or 7 (or should be)

Now, if a nurse with 5 years + service is earning less than £33k, then they need to look in the mirror, and ask themselves why.

As your wife will have been in the Pension Scheme prior to 1995, she can also retire at 55 on a full Pension.

If you cannot live off £33k in Carlisle, then you need some lessons in economics, meaning the whole food-bank issue is a scam, or BS !

https://www.nurses.co.uk/careers-hub/nursing-pay-guide/


She’s top of a band 6 But I earn 10k more her pay hasn’t kept up We don’t need food banks

This isn’t a scam or BS

At least six NHS trusts have set up food banks or launched food voucher schemes for workers as part of efforts to help staff cope with the rising cost of living.

Before the current crises an estimated one in eight NHS workers were affected by in-work poverty.

Mr Brown made the intervention giving a speech at the Royal College of Nursing’s annual congress in Glasgow yesterday.

“Thousands of nurses report that, because of the cost-of-living crisis, they are skipping meals so they can feed their children,” he said.
4 days ago
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#311741
If it’s not all about money, why the [censored] is half the country wanting to be out on strike??

To suggest money isn’t the key motivator for most workers is naive


There are now food banks set up in hospitals for staff to use yes that’s Nurses is this what this country has come too

Nurse and public sector workers are at least 20% behind in pay over the 12 years of Tory rule

I work in the private sector my wife’s pay as a nurse was always on par with mine since we met 32 years ago Now her pay is a long way behind me





What a pile of poop..........

If your wife has been a nurse for 32 years, she will now be at least a Band 6 or 7 (or should be)

Now, if a nurse with 5 years + service is earning less than £33k, then they need to look in the mirror, and ask themselves why.

As your wife will have been in the Pension Scheme prior to 1995, she can also retire at 55 on a full Pension.

If you cannot live off £33k in Carlisle, then you need some lessons in economics, meaning the whole food-bank issue is a scam, or BS !

https://www.nurses.co.uk/careers-hub/nursing-pay-guide/
4 days ago
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#311734
“Once in a generation” - Nicola Sturgeon numerous times in 2014!

4 days ago
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#311700
If it’s not all about money, why the [censored] is half the country wanting to be out on strike??

To suggest money isn’t the key motivator for most workers is naive


There are now food banks set up in hospitals for staff to use yes that’s Nurses is this what this country has come too

Nurse and public sector workers are at least 20% behind in pay over the 12 years of Tory rule

I work in the private sector my wife’s pay as a nurse was always on par with mine since we met 32 years ago Now her pay is a long way behind me
5 days ago
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#311686
If it’s not all about money, why the [censored] is half the country wanting to be out on strike??

To suggest money isn’t the key motivator for most workers is naive


We're not talking about most workers though are we. There are 650 MPs. It's hardly a common job. And it's a straw man to compare rail workers with MPs anyways.

Of course salary is important, but It's not naive to think that some people prioritise public service and/or job enjoyment over money, money, money. Perhaps people who's only driver is money struggle to get their heads around that. Being an MP, like being an officer in the Armed Forces, or a civil servant, being a charity worker etc etc. will involve some sacrifice in terms of salary over the big earning industries like banking, finance and law. That's part of the deal. If all they want to achieve in life is to own a Ferrari then its probably not for them. You will never be able to compete on a salary level with those sectors anyways.
5 days ago
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#311685
In my experience, well educated and professionally qualified people don’t want to work for 80 grand a year and get abused.You may not like it but that is the reality.

Pay peanuts and you get monkeys-and boy does this Parliament have its fair share.Perverts, sex pests, porn addicts, 39 year old grannies, liars, cheats, ginger growlers, commies, blah blah-but not many achievers


Most army officers will earn less than £80k a year. You'd have to be a colonel or above. Generals get around £130k a year. Yet our armed forces is staffed with highly competent and highly motivated individuals. The fact they could all earn more as a lawyer or a banker in London does not change this. It's not about whether I like it, you seem to think the only motivator in life is loads of money.


I think you should change that to " become "

In some cases the the military is the last chance saloon for many misfits. However the discipline a camaraderie they learn, brings out the very best in them. The sad thing is, once they leave, many quickly fall back into old ways.

To many end up alky's and drug addicts, as the only real family and friends as well as life order they had, was in the military.

Salaries and promotion in the military is also about climbing as high as possible up the promotion ladder before retirement, as this reflects in the pension.

We should have a guaranteed employment route and career path for all of our ex-military.


I'm talking about officers. You don't get into Sandhurst if you're a druggy misfit.
5 days ago
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#311684
From the man who voted for Boris I can't live on £125000 a year Johnson. If money is not important why not give it to the rail guys?

Johnson has given £2bn to Ukraine but he can't give £2k to a train driver. When May needed support she found £1.5bn to bribe NI. If Johnson prioritises politics over the needs of the people, then why should the people vote for him?

The tories are just failures. Cameron was going to wipe out all the debt, more than ever. Austerity, fire a few teachers and bin men, we'll be back on track. Just shite, they make the country worse every day, only not for themselves
5 days ago
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#311683
If it’s not all about money, why the [censored] is half the country wanting to be out on strike??

To suggest money isn’t the key motivator for most workers is naive
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