Concert Ticket sales

Not season tickets but sales for the two concerts at BP this summer. Does anyone know how many have been sold? Is it looking like a good turn out? I hope so as others will surely come if it is a success.
Do the club make much from these occasions and is it based on sales or just a rental fee.

Not having my finger on the music scene since the stone roses were first trying on flares, I'm a little out the loop when it comes to Murs and I wouldn't have thought UB40 would have been popular enough to fill stadiums now. I hope I'm wrong.

Theres no way UB40 are bigger than the likes of the Levellers, Blondie etc that played at the Sands. They are not on the same level as Elton John or Rod Stuart. A strange choice to pick BP as a venue.

They've only opened the waterworks for UB40.

Drove past Darlos old ground yesterday. UB40 Level 42 etc were on there last night so must be doing a few biggish shows.

Supposedly sold around 3,000 for UB40.
Some ticket sites are now selling tickets "2 for the price of 1"
And 9,000 for Olly Murs.

Urban Designer wrote: Theres no way UB40 are bigger than the likes of the Levellers, Blondie etc that played at the Sands. They are not on the same level as Elton John or Rod Stuart. A strange choice to pick BP as a venue.

I would say UB40 were bigger than the Levellers,doesn't mean they are better though.

Another year of no home friendlies?

ParcelPete wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: Theres no way UB40 are bigger than the likes of the Levellers, Blondie etc that played at the Sands. They are not on the same level as Elton John or Rod Stuart. A strange choice to pick BP as a venue.

I would say UB40 were bigger than the Levellers,doesn't mean they are better though.

Admittedly they play smaller gigs now but they usually sell out fairly quick at academy 1-2k size venues. Had to go to Birmingham last December as all the more northern ones that I could make had sold out. I'd still say UB40 were the bigger at their peak.

3000 isn't great. I wonder how many went to the darlo one.
Not been there since we played them. Has it changed at all? Do they play the rugby there too? What a white elephant that is.

bruntonpete wrote: 3000 isn't great. I wonder how many went to the darlo one.
Not been there since we played them. Has it changed at all? Do they play the rugby there too? What a white elephant that is.

Didn't look much different. Just big signs saying it the home of the rugby team.

Is there not two versions of UB40 these days due to fallouts over time and the like?

This is the version with Ally Campbell and a couple of others, whereas that Sands Gig was the 'rest of'? Think there was legal discussion over who had the right to use the name etc? Sure someone will know!

Regardless they were a strange choice for a gig at BP!

Not many at Wrexham on Friday night

Would have thought BP would have been a better venue than Bitts Park for Bryan Adams.

Blues86 wrote: Would have thought BP would have been a better venue than Bitts Park for Bryan Adams.

I agree give me asbestos riddled rust box over a lovely Park with a castle as a backdrop for a concert any day of the week.

Alan wrote:

Blues86 wrote: Would have thought BP would have been a better venue than Bitts Park for Bryan Adams.

I agree give me asbestos riddled rust box over a lovely Park with a castle as a backdrop for a concert any day of the week.

These are different promoters than the ones theyve used before they were Cuffe and Taylor and they dont seem to be doing any stadium tours this summer just their usual stuff like Lytham Proms which gets bigger every year and their one off concerts which this year includes Tom Jones at Cartmel Racecourse.

Mate of mine who works for them on a lot of their events says they seriously got their fingers burnt last year [ although he says the Carlisle events actually did quite well ] and thats why theyve cut back quite a bit.They actually got into dispute with Rod Stewart over that tour to the point where hes doing a one off show for them for expenses only this summer as an out of court settlement what actually happened seems to be be pretty top secret though.

UB40 are a miles bigger band that The Levellers.

It is like comparing The Daisy Chain Connection to The Beatles.

Plus The Levellers sold out on all their principles, plastic tree huggers for the masses.

Alan wrote:

Blues86 wrote: Would have thought BP would have been a better venue than Bitts Park for Bryan Adams.

I agree give me asbestos riddled rust box over a lovely Park with a castle as a backdrop for a concert any day of the week.

I was thinking more of the fact BP has stands/elevated seating where as Bitts is flat with no seating so those further back will find it harder to see. Ive been to large gigs in hyde park and whilst being a lovely setting, most of the crowd were watching it on big screens for this very reason. Most outdoor festivals tend to be in areas with a sloping elevation to give it a natural amphitheater feel to it. Guessing if you're paying to see a band you actually want to see them and the surrounding scenery is secondary. Perhaps not.

munchymagic wrote: UB40 are a miles bigger band that The Levellers.

It is like comparing The Daisy Chain Connection to The Beatles.

Plus The Levellers sold out on all their principles, plastic tree huggers for the masses.

How did they sell out on all their principles?

65,000 people can be accomodated in hyde park so theres always going to be an issue with viewing for some .
I think bitts park is around 17000 so im sure most people will have a great view and as for brunton park most people are on the pitch not in the elevated stands .
Just admit your wrong for a change .

Alan wrote: 65,000 people can be accomodated in hyde park so theres always going to be an issue with viewing for some .
I think bitts park is around 17000 so im sure most people will have a great view and as for brunton park most people are on the pitch not in the elevated stands .
Just admit your wrong for a change .

Calm down man. No need to be so grumpy and tetchy.

All i was saying was i thought BP was a more natural location for a gig. Thats my opinion. I didnt say i was right or you were wrong You think otherwise, great. You could well be right. Im allowed an opinion.

Dancingbear wrote:

munchymagic wrote: UB40 are a miles bigger band that The Levellers.

It is like comparing The Daisy Chain Connection to The Beatles.

Plus The Levellers sold out on all their principles, plastic tree huggers for the masses.

How did they sell out on all their principles?

That one was for you DB as I know you are a fan and would bite

They were an anti establishment band that bought/built a studio when they got loads of cash and became the establishment.

munchymagic wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

munchymagic wrote: UB40 are a miles bigger band that The Levellers.

It is like comparing The Daisy Chain Connection to The Beatles.

Plus The Levellers sold out on all their principles, plastic tree huggers for the masses.

How did they sell out on all their principles?

That one was for you DB as I know you are a fan and would bite

They were an anti establishment band that bought/built a studio when they got loads of cash and became the establishment.

Maybe they took that route so they didn't have to "pay the man" recording fees. I find it interesting because people always say they sold out but then can't really say how they think they sold out. Metallica are another who always get accused of selling out prob because they did a few slower songs and became massive. Went to see Iron Maiden last night and they were bloody brilliant. Dunno how they have so much energy after 42 years!!!

Dancingbear wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

munchymagic wrote: UB40 are a miles bigger band that The Levellers.

It is like comparing The Daisy Chain Connection to The Beatles.

Plus The Levellers sold out on all their principles, plastic tree huggers for the masses.

How did they sell out on all their principles?

That one was for you DB as I know you are a fan and would bite

They were an anti establishment band that bought/built a studio when they got loads of cash and became the establishment.

Maybe they took that route so they didn't have to "pay the man" recording fees. I find it interesting because people always say they sold out but then can't really say how they think they sold out. Metallica are another who always get accused of selling out prob because they did a few slower songs and became massive. Went to see Iron Maiden last night and they were bloody brilliant. Dunno how they have so much energy after 42 years!!!

I don't think that when you are number one in the charts that you would be too fussed about recording studio fees when to be fair the most of The Levellers stuff sounds like it was concocted around a camp fire, can listen to a couple of early tunes but not my thing really but got a few mates who rate them and love to bring this story up to wind them up

From a bloke standing on one leg playing a flute to eardrum bashing heavy metal is a bit of a wide range of tastes DB.

I would say eclectic but only w ankers use that word to make themselves sound sophisticated - good old Bryan Ferry, used to be all sophisticated in his day and now people call him eclectic, poor Bryan must not know what he is.

Aye i used to like Slayer as well. For the record i am not going to the sodding Olly Murs concert though

Urban Designer wrote: Theres no way UB40 are bigger than the likes of the Levellers, Blondie etc that played at the Sands. They are not on the same level as Elton John or Rod Stuart. A strange choice to pick BP as a venue.

Looks like they are doing a mix of football grounds and racecourses.

Madness did the same when they last went on tour.

Day of racing followed by a popularish band/singer seems to be a popular event now.

CCU wrote: Is there not two versions of UB40 these days due to fallouts over time and the like?

This is the version with Ally Campbell and a couple of others, whereas that Sands Gig was the 'rest of'? Think there was legal discussion over who had the right to use the name etc? Sure someone will know!

Regardless they were a strange choice for a gig at BP!

Basically 3 of them left and set up their own band. Both claim to be the "original UB40".

I think they market as UB40 and UB40 featuring Ali Campbell, Astro and Mickey Virtue.

DeckchairBlue wrote:

CCU wrote: Is there not two versions of UB40 these days due to fallouts over time and the like?

This is the version with Ally Campbell and a couple of others, whereas that Sands Gig was the 'rest of'? Think there was legal discussion over who had the right to use the name etc? Sure someone will know!

Regardless they were a strange choice for a gig at BP!

Basically 3 of them left and set up their own band. Both claim to be the "original UB40".

I think they market as UB40 and UB40 featuring Ali Campbell, Astro and Mickey Virtue.

Cheers Deckchair, knew it was something along those lines...

I bought a UB40 ticket and then burnt it, just to make doubly sure I won't be there.

I went off UB40 after the later stuff, too many cover versions.

However the early bleak stuff I thought was brilliant like Food For Thought and all that dub material was great - if they played all this I would be down there like a shot.

What will happen though is you will get Cherry Oh f ucking Baby and I would be out there immediately before they offended me further by playing Rat In Mi Kitchen.

we`ve mentioned this before but how much do the club stand to make from the 2 gigs.....(sorry if its been mentioned at some time in the past )

seesaw50 wrote: we`ve mentioned this before but how much do the club stand to make from the 2 gigs.....(sorry if its been mentioned at some time in the past )

Very little from the UB40 one by the looks of it as the promoters will have an attendance point below which theyll pay no more than a straight rental fee and from whats being said it looks as if theyre a long way off that for UB40

The real money is made when you break thru the sweet spot figure which is usually somewhere about 75 to 80% where everyone and everything has been paid and sales of the last portion are actually a bonus for the promoters and to get the venue to push sales on towards a sell out the venue gets a pretty generous cut of each ticket price.

Which is why you see tickets for two types of scenario on the likes of groupon at 2 for the price of one. The first is where sales are a disaster and as there are thousands of seats theyll never fill so theres no harm in giving away a 1000 seats if it means another 1000 who wouldnt of bought a ticket without the offer buy one and the other is if sales have gone thru the sweet figure but have then died if youve got 2000 left and youre getting 50% of any further sales 50% of a thousand tickets is better than 50% of none.