TOPIC: Curles contract

Have I missed something about this.

What was he refusing to answer in post match interview?

Probably refusing to say that the club aren't offering him a good enough deal for him to sign.
So if someone else offers him a decent deal he will be off! A bit like Potts and Dempsey

He's waiting for our billionare to dot the i's and cross the t's on it so theres nowt to worry about .

huddersfieldcock wrote:
PLEASE SOMEBODY OFFER THE FUCKER A DEAL!!!!

RonBacardi wrote:
Basically everybody thought that KC's contract expired at the end of this season, it's now emerged that this may not be the case and he could he on a month-to-month rolling contract.

However neither the club nor KC will confirm or deny any of this.

Means if a club wanted to take him off us they would only have to pay us 1 months wages as compensation.

I thought it rather odd during his interview ahead of the Liverpool game when he was speaking about wanting to manage in the Premier League, he said wanted to manage at the highest level possible but he wasn't necessarily saying he would take Carlisle there. This was much more of a personal ambition. It did seem like an invitation for clubs at League 1 and above to look at him as a potential manager.

I said weeks ago that we should be offering him a new longer contract as I was worried about him going elsewhere particularly as he was developing a style of football that would be hard for an incoming manager to replicate. From the first pre-season friendly at Blyth I realised he and his team of Lee Dykes and Simon Tracey were doing something remarkably good after what we had endured for several previous seasons.

Currently the playing style, recruitment and Gillespie's form are extremely good and Curle's management team will take full credit for this. If KC, LD and ST moved on to somewhere else this would be a disaster for the club. No doubt he is hinting at this in order to get salary increases through (we've all done it at work before - threaten to leave and get a pay rise).

I go back to what I said earlier, this should have been sorted weeks ago not now when KC thinks he and his team are irreplaceable.

Irreplaceable. ..hahah Yeh right!

I said to another Boarder in the Summer that some of what he was saying was the words of a man touting himself for other jobs...

Do contracts really count for anything in football any more? A long term contract won't keep KC at the club it will just increase the amount of compo we get

Would any of us want to work for the two amigos of course not. Can't Blaim him if he is keeping his options open.
He's no chance of getting fans back to BP as long as they are still ruining the club.

carwash....irreplaceable...hahahahaha!

KC's contract as far as I know from having discussion with one of the three was that CUFC could have ended it if relegated, but as we survived it was up to KC to take up the option of a further year. If he hasn't signed or explicitly taken up the option then it's his decision. This may mean:

1) He wants more cash
2) Longer contract
3) All these plus assurances on budget
4) Any of these plus anything else not mentioned

I am not a KC fan but would agree that he has made some positive changes in style and recruitment. However, I still believe he needs to look at the defence and his persistence with 3 at the back. He has also got to get the ball moving forward from the back quicker and with purpose. Possession alone does not win games.

If KC was to go there are other managers around that would love to take over our present squad.

So who's on the shortlist?

I accept KC hasn't sorted out our defence yet but I don't want him to go as I'm scared who would come in and undo the progress we have made so far this season. KC has done a brilliant job in rebuilding his reputation with the team playing attractive football, recruiting star players like Ibehre and Hery and holding Liverpool to a draw after 120 minutes. It is only natural for someone in KC's currently strong position to want to maximise his earnings either by staying with a better deal or moving on.

He still needs to properly prove himself though. He talked a good game to begin with, but in no way are we the finished article. Get us into the play-offs and other clubs might sniff round.

ianell wrote:
Warwick Davis and Janette Krankie.

ParcelPete wrote:
Carlos Rocca and Brendan McGill

It's win win really.

Our last 2 managers we've had to pay off a year of their remaining contract. We even had to pay Greg f-ing Abbott while he was against us for Notts County.

If Curle doesn't show signs of taking the club forward, we can get rid easily at little cost.
If he proves he's an excellent manager and is the man to take us forward, then we'll have to dip into the clubs coffers to make sure we keep him, but if he's the right man then that's not an issue is it.

I wish they would just be straight forward on these kind of issues. Obviously he must want more money and or certain conditions to be met if he is infact on a rolling contract. Can't see it being the board who don't want him to have a permanent and long contract.

If he thinks he can go higher and is keeping his options open then that's fair enough but in my opinion sign a deal or leave

If he does go it'll be a serious case of "careful what you wish for" for the anti-Curle mob. Wonder how long they'll still blame him for when we bring in someone sh*te and we start seriously slipping back down.

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loser wrote: 'Slipping Back Down'
We haven't exactly skyrocketed since he came have we?

carwash wrote:
'Irreplaceable', I hope you are joking, if not then what ever you've been drinking can I have some?

crunchblue wrote: To be honest 'Crunch' I think you have just about got it spot on. Curle HAS to prove he can hack it, he has had 4 jobs before coming to Brunton, everyone he has failed, fair enough I don't know the ins and outs but his record so far (with other clubs) but they seem to have been fair to poor, he hasn't (in my opinion) set the world alight here, and I'm sorry a draw at Liverpool hardly elevates him into cult status. Giving him any sort of a lengthy contract is the worst the board can do.

bluebry wrote: Can you remind me where we were in the table this time last season and how our prospects looked? I seen to have forgotten.

Cheers!

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It doesn't have to be lengthy. 2 years would be about right. I think he has done a great job and is going in the right direction with his assistants and scouting. It would be too easy for him to leave if approached by someone offering a say 2 year deal but if he was shown confidence here and given a contract it would be harder to leave, dare I say it he would want to stay loyal to people who showed confidence him.

loser wrote:

Point missed spectacularly. Well done.

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loser wrote:
No, Point not missed at all, we were further down than we are now agreed, but Curle had just taken over from GK. and at the end of the season we only 'JUST' missed out on relegation, and apart from an odd few results which have gone in our favour this season, at this moment in time I don't see a great improvement from last season, time will tell of course, but with his constant meddling and tinkering, not addressing the problems at the back, do you honestly expect us to get much better? And yesterday was an absolute prime example. We got absolutely battered against Barnet, how we won I'll never know to this day, we threw a two goal lead away at York when they were down to 10 men, and yesterday we lost to the worst side in the football league, you can make all the excuses known to man kind for those results, but at the end of the day for a so called 'genius' of a manager (as some people would have you believe|) they don't make very good reading.

i would not give keith curle any contract . one reason is as a defender kc was playing at the highest level our defence is shocking . . all four clubs kc has managed been a failure . kc team selections are very strange . one good game does not mean a good season . finally if keith curle thinks he can manage a top flight club then he is more out off touch with reality than david cameron .

why not try and get paul simpson back . not be long until paul is free from newcastle united .

dumfriesblue67 wrote:
Yeah coz hes had success everywhere hes been since he jumped ship hasnt he?

I do think at this moment in time he is irreplaceable as are his management team. Lee Dykes has impressed me very much. I think Lee Fearn is also very good at what he does and Simon Tracey must take credit for Gillespie's consistent performances of late as even last year he was a bit suspect.

How far would losing that team set us back? The style of play has changed dramatically. The feel around the place is on the whole, better barring the big elephants in the room! We have for the first time in 6+ years looked a settled and pretty well organised club (playing aspect only)! We've made our best start in an age, highest goal scorers in the country and the quality of player we've attracted has been better!

There are issues with KC like his tinkering which from time to time bugs me, he's had his public player spats and he has given some bizarre interviews but no one can deny he hasn't improved the playing performances the results speak for themselves. Should we lose the management team I think it'd be disastrous, you then have another change in backroom staff, different philosophies and different playing styles, how long will it take to readjust? You do see managers come in and improve performances but at this level who out there is available and better realistically than Curle?

We could go up this year I honestly believe that which 12 months ago I was more worried about our existence! I'd stick and I'd be very annoyed if he left before the end of this season.

carwash wrote: I Think a few are getting a bit too excited on the back of a good showing against Liverpool in the cup game... the reality is that we are 12th, have just lost at home to the bottom team, the game before we chucked away a two goal lead against 10 men and we have so far conceded 18 goals in 9 league games. That is hardly "remarkable". There are some positive signs, the football has been better to watch, we look more dangerous in attack and the recruitment in the summer appears to have been quite good. There are signs that the players are starting to get Curle's game plan and beginning to look more comfortable with the 3 at the back... BUT we have a hell of a long way to go before he is irreplaceable. We are still leaking goals, he is still making bizaare selections and substitutions, he still seems to be isolating some squad players (Rigg, CMW) and there is still the nagging feeling that Jabo's early season form dug us out of the crap in many games...when he went off on Saturday we looked clueless, can we cope with injury or loss of form from Jabo? I'd offer him until the end of the season... if he doesn't want to sign that then so be it... he is free to leave if a better offer comes along.

I think we should be more worried about the players contracts that Curle's.

Whilst at the time it seemed great to that we were signing players on 6m-12m contracts as it would protect us from flops like last year, it now means that players who have shown quality may leave at Xmas/Summer and we'll be back to square one.

Both Jabo and Gillespie signed 1 year deals with views to a further year (didn't say who's favour this was in). So theoretically we could lose our top scorer and goalie for nothing.

If we do pick up a bit of form other clubs are bound to have a look at our better players, so we are in real danger of losing the majority of our team.

dumfriesblue67 wrote:
Not sure where the Curle haters get their claims from that he has failed in his previous managerial jobs. His record is mixed.

At Notts County he only lost 11 in 45 games and went on a 22 unbeaten away games run, that's a whole season without losing away. Their erratic chairman sacked him when they were 10th. In his only full season in charge at Mansfield he got them into the playoffs.

At Chester he was doing well until their Chairman did a Knighton. Torquay did go down while he was coach there, but he had less than three months of the season to save them and they were in big trouble at the bottom when he joined.

I am fine with Curle not having a contract here. Jenkins and Nixon have been too keen before to hand out long contracts and look where that got us with the last two managers. Let's wait a couple more months before considering offering Curle something longer...

Just been on Radio Cumbria

Nixons too busy to talk to Philips and Jenkins says talking to the media about it isnt the way he conducts his business. Nowt new there then eh?

Dancingbear wrote:
Heard that on the radio aswell. Curle asked "what has the club said", Phillips said "nothing" so Curle said "well I'm saying nothing". Radio Cumbria asked Nixon on but he was busy so they asked Jenkins and he said it was confidential (bit of a buzz word at BP!)

You couldn't make it up what goes on down at that club.

This time last season we were rock bottom and odds on for relegation, would have got f*cking battered (score-wise) tonight this time last season.

Yet there has been no vast improvement. Oh no.

5 points off top spit...

And folk say we no better than last season........really

Zebby wrote:
Yeah but with a proper manager we'd only be 4 points off top. Shit if we'd beaten Newport and York we'd be joint top anyway.

Only had 6 points at this stage last season, don't know how people cant see the improvement

DanCufc_ wrote:
Because some people won't let reason and the blindingly obvious get in the way of disliking someone. He'll never be right for some people.

i dont hate keith curle . think keith is doing a good job at brunton park .

franksidebottom wrote:
Nixon must be engaged with conference calls to billionaires agents agent again

Zebby wrote: Who said we were no better than last season? I don't think I have heard anybody say that to be honest. We have made progress under Curle and the team are showing some good signs... many on here rightly point to the fact that we are conceding way too many goals still... and the fact that some of the selections are very strange to say the least. Keith needs to remedy those areas if he wants to convert everybody.

Northumbrian wrote:
At the end of last season i wouldnt have been bothered in the slightest if he went. However the football ive seen at times this season has been outstanding. I also think if he'd got a couple of players off the wage bill that are earning more than their value to the team ala Troy then maybe he'd have been able to strengthen the defence further as well. Theres no way our previous managers could have brought about such a quick turnaround in fact wed prob have been in the conference now under either of them so im happy the way things are progressing.

So long as he doesn't appear that bothered about his contract situation, I'm not really.

The excitement this season has been the best for years, we are passing the ball from the back, getting great stats for possession and scoring loads of goals. I'm not all that worried about conceding goals, while we are continuing to score, but it can't last like that all season. I think Raynes has got to grips with the fact that he is currently our back one, and he's done it quickly, and is playing very well at the moment. I also think if we get Atkinson back we'll be a different defensive proposition.

For me Curle is like a breath of fresh air, and has been since he came in and cleared the shit out of the manager's office. He expects players to buy into what he's doing, and to work bloody hard, if they don't he obviously thinks "sod them" and waits for them to be prepared to work. We are seeing players coming off the pitch having given their all and obviously knackered having run themselves into the ground. We've had players (even Dicker) flinging themselves in the way of shots from all angles, we have a completely different mentality and are a proper team.

The Archer wrote:


Because they are hate filled toss bags who would rather listen to tales out of the school yard, you know the ones, they kind of go like this...

My mate who has something to do with the club, can't tell you his name as he will get in bother like, but he said that none of the players like Curle, they think he is a knob head.

Closely followed by the other idiots who still side with Billy "I ate every pie in Carlisle and laughed in your face while doing so" Paynter.

Yes we are not the finished article, but for the first time in years we have something that looks promising, but they will always find something to moan about, now just where is Colin West

I wonder who 'leaked' his contract status to the press, surely only a few people must've been aware that he is possibly in contract dispute.

What would be his or her motive? The main outcomes appear to be that some fan pressure is applied to the board to sort it out and that clubs looking for a manager now suspect they can avoid paying compensation, should they want Curle.

The local press kept linking him to the Peterboro job but Doncaster and Rotherham, close to his Sheffield home, are searching for new managers...

And Fleetwood.

Also, the fans singing Mysterious Curle song, not sure what to make of that tbh!!

The Archer wrote:
Most sensible post on this thread. Given our BoD are so secretive, it's highly unlikely they've told the press he's under a minimal contract at present...