TOPIC: Player ratings for Yeovil match

Anyone want to have a go should be interesting after the awful start and recovery.

Gillespie 7
Atkinson 8
Ellis 7
Raynes 6
Grainger 8
Dicker 6
Kennedy 9
Hery 5
Gilliead 8
Wyke 7
Hope 6

Gillesphey 7
Asamoah 6
Miller 6

Just 6 for Raynes despite scoring two?

Gillespie 6
Raynes 7
Atkinson 6
Ellis 5
Grainger 7
Dicker 6
Kennedy 7
Gillead 6
Hery -
Hope 5
Wyke 5

Gillesphey 7

Gillespie 5
Atkinson 7
Ellis 5
Raynes 5
Grainger 7
Dicker 7
Kennedy 7
Hery 5
Gilliead 8
Wyke 7
Hope 7

Gillesphey 7
Asamoah 6
Miller 6

Other than his 2 goals, I thought Raynes was absolutely sh*t today.

I'm hoping he was just rusty after being out for a few weeks, but he looked like he didn't know where his feet were today and slipped on his arse quite often. The total opposite of his recent performances before the injury. I was quite surprised he got man of the match.



Gillespie 6

Atkinson 7 (best defender at the club, should be in the centre but played well at right back today)

Raynes 6 (would have been a 4 if not for his 2 goals)

Ellis 6

Grainger 7

Dicker 7

Kennedy 7

Hery 3

Gilliead 6

Wyke 7 (despite missing a sitter, I thought some of his touches were class. He got no help from the referee who allowed their defenders to attempt to choke him)

Hope 7 (impressed. Good turn leading up to the winner, worked very hard)

Asamoah 6
Gillesphey 7
Miller (not on long enough)

kellsblue wrote:
Big fan of Raynes but despite scoring two tap ins he was off the pace and out muscled for long periods today, was strangely poor in the air at both ends of the pitch.

crunchblue wrote:
Dunno if they were new boots he had on but I'd be taking them back if I was him. Slipped twice in critical situations and twice his right boot came off.

Gillespie 7 a very good save early on when Raynes fell over, little he could do about the second
Atkinson 7 well organised, confidant, solid
Ellis 7 a couple of early slips but thought he got better as the game went on, won plenty of headers in the 2nd half
Raynes 6 defensively he was clumsy and weak, took goals well, especially composed for the 2nd
Grainger 7 put some good balls in but free kicks not so good
Dicker 7 still the occasinal slip when he gives the ball away but used the ball intelligently
Kennedy 8 My MOTM, harried, always available, good passing, covered well
Hery 6 thought he was less greedy while he was on and played the ball early to Grainger for a change
Gilliead 7 always extra cover against him. I wish he'd come inside a bit more to keep the defenders guessing but very positive. A bit naive at times defensively. Needs to learn when to get rid of the ball early in those positions but what a one for the future
Wyke 7 got better as the game progressed and getting a little sharper
Hope 7 another that improved as the game progressed. Got stronger as he got more into it in the 2nd half and obviously an intelligent player

Gillesphey 6 kept his position well and helped make us a bit steadier defensively
Asamoah 6 would have liked to see him on earlier as just the sort of cumbersome defence he plays well against
Miller 6 not on long enough but helped close the game down

Despite falling 2-0 down I always felt we'd get something out of the game. We played some very good football at times and wasted a number of chances. Credit to Curle for changing things around.

Thought ref and linesman on paddock side were dire. Towards the end linesman gave us a couple of throws which were clearly theirs. Bird should have got a straight red for hitting Ellis in the face. When their defender knocked the ball out of Grainger's hands when he was taking a quick throw it was an obvious yellow.

Again we showed a bit of team spirit. Too many of the crowd booing the team when we went 0-2 despite playing some good football. Reading the match thread after i got home too many armchair 'supporters' knocking the team without being there and seeing what was actually happening.

For the first 15 minutes we were absolute sh1te. Agree that Raynes should send his boots back where they came from.
If we had Jabo fit we could have had 5 or 6 as we made them look a lot better than they were with the mickey mousedefending

Really surprising to see Kennedy getting such high ratings, wouldn't be in the team for me plenty of effort but hasn't done much last few games. After a slow start thought Gary Dicker was brilliant, his first thought is always to play the ball forward, sloppy foul for yellow in first half but some quality touches in the game and some lovely passes to Hope. Hope started slow but he did not stop running and sticks in my mind their winger stormed down the right in the first half and Hope tracked him all the way and got in front of him to stop a shot. Other than that thought Hope ran his arse off and had some good touches, could of gone down for a pen for our third lovely touch to roll his man. Wyke played well got roughed up all game but one thing that sticks in my mind was his touch off a long ball in the second half, brought it down beautifully and nut megged his man on the far left played well. Raynes defensively wasn't good but two goals made up for it. Atkinson was brilliant made a great block in the second half and looked comfortable on the ball. Ellis did okay in the air but looked suspect with ball at feet. Grainger was poor IMO especially in second half he was played through and didn't use his right foot to shoot and wasted a chance. Gilliead caused the full back problems all game, best thing about Alex every time he gets the ball the crowd get excited. Overall a good come back after an awful start

1954Blue wrote:
You forgot to give your regular 'we older lot love Jenkins and his chums' old school ratings.

Jenkins 10 - Because of all the money he has spent.

Nixon 9 - Solid clapping throughout.

Pattison - 6.5 - Some creaking hinges on the gates that a bit of WD40 would sort.

1954Blue wrote: .

You do know with these smart phone thingys it's possible to post from the game? I wasn't there actually but I got a few texts letting me know just how shite we were first twenty minutes.

You forgot to give your regular 'we older lot love Jenkins and his chums' old school ratings.

Jenkins 10 - Because of all the money he has spent.

Nixon 9 - Solid clapping throughout.

Pattison - 6.5 - Some creaking hinges on the gates that a bit of WD40 would sort.


Crangon, can you please tell me when I have ever posted anything along those lines? ( Let alone regularly! )

Just because I think during a game we should be getting behind the team doesn't mean I am supporting the board, or is that too difficult for you to understand?

You do know with these smart phone thingys it's possible to post from the game? I wasn't there actually but I got a few texts letting me know just how shite we were first twenty minutes.

Yes, I am aware of advances in technology, thank you, DB.

Yes, we were poor in the first 15 mins or so, but a game lasts 90 mins ( or in this case 102 mins, with 5 mins stoppage time in the first half and the ref played 7mins in the 2nd, although the board went up for 5mins but he added on extra because of our time wasting tactics when Atkinson got booked )

Wondered what had happened I was sat in a pub in Watford watching the clock on the bet365 inplay. Thought they'd just forgot to stop it lol

Yes, DB., although we looked less jittery than usual as we ran the clock down and bringing Miller on for the last few minutes was a good move by Curle.

I think there almost wasn't enough booing after 15 minutes or so. That opening period was an absolute disgrace to a man, and they were rightly criticised for it.

As soon as we struck 3 passes together for the first time, the fans got behind the team. It felt very quickly as though it was going to be fine since we had so long left.

It's just a pity that when someone takes the trouble to post an intelligent player ratings report, others have to come on here and criticise their efforts with childish and irrelevant comments.
1954, keep the reports coming, because they are the ones I look for first.

Gillespie 6
Atkinson 6
Raynes 6
Ellis 6
Grainger 6
Gilliead 7
Dicker 8 MOTM
Kennedy 7
Hery 4
Hope 7
Wyke 7

Gillesphey 7
Asamoah 5
Miller 5

the team deserved the abuse for the first 15 minutes.
Gillespey couldn't do anything about the goals and was unlucky not to stop the second. 2 good one on one stops.
I thought Hope was awful in the first half brushed off the ball and lost possession all the time. If we are going to play people for effort bring back Curran. Second half he was a man possessed he got better and better towards the end.

Even after going 2 down that quickly once we got playing it was obvious that we would score against what was a poor team. We wasted loads of chances at least 3 free headers and Derek could have nicked one at the front post. It was only a matter of would they score again during the usual lapses.
The ref was poor I thought. I thought there may have been a red card when Wyke was taken down on the edge of the box (don't know if it was inside or out). there was no cover imo.

Had Hope played the full 90 like he did in 2nd half he would of been MOTM hopefully the bit of game time has given him some confidence and he can continue like that for the month until Jabo is fully fit and match ready

Gillespie 7 - couldn't do anything about the goals and two superb saves when they were through 1 on 1. Flapped at times on crosses.
Atkinson 7 - doesn't look as comfortable at full back but was very solid.
Raynes 6 - gets 2 points for his goals but he was genuinely hopeless defensively at times. Not marking his player, ball watching, falling over all the time. It really was a poor display other than the goals... But he took those well so gets up to an average mark.
Ellis 6 - awful first half but improved 2nd
Grainger 7 - some good balls into the middle. Just a shame our forwards can't make the right runs.
Gilliead 7 - closely marked but flashes of brilliance.
Dicker 7 - dodgy start but was very composed after that. Great range of passing.
Kennedy 8 - MOM all action display. Covered every blade of grass. Hugely committed and helped drag us back into the game.
Hery 3 - pointless him being on the field if that is all he can contribute. Rightly subbed before half time. Needs a rocket up his arse from Curle.
Hope 6 - poor first half and offered very little. Improved later on with some nice turns. Great turn and shot to set up final goal
Wyke 6 - looked terribly slow and his first touch is very rusty. Improved as game went on with some nice link up play. still below par for me.

Gillesphey 7 - made a big difference. Very committee . Some good crosses and took his goal well.
Asamoah 5
Miller 5

I'm reading people's reports of the game and I keep hearing how we missed lots of chances... But there is very little mention of the fact that we gave Yeovil 7 or 8 absolutely gilt edged chances. Against a decent team we would have conceded 5 or 6 goals. In the first 30 minutes we conceded 2 goals, Gillespie had saved a one-on-one and they had missed an absolute sitter of a free header. The game could easily have been dead and buried by then. Later in the game they also had another one-on-one with the keeper, missed another absolute sitter header and had several other near misses. Make no mistake we were very lucky to win this game... Yes it was a great fight back and yes we had lots of chances BUT the game should have been finished in the first half. We were very fortunate Yeovil were hopeless and missed a hatful of sitters. We really do have to sort out the defence. We won't keep getting away with defending like that. Fair play to Curle for making the early substitution. Hery had been utterly useless... Moving Grainger to left midfield meant we got more crosses into the box... Which Yeovil were hopeless at defending. On the positive side the team showed great spirit and fight and other did enough to scrape a win. Two appallingly poor defensive units meant an exciting and open game... But I'm not sure my nerves are going to cope this season

Northumbrian wrote:
Think you're being a bit harsh there Nothumbrian, I know we had a couple of 'wobbles' especially when Raynes kept losing his bloody boots, but I never thought Yeovil had enough in them to give us any serious problems, (discounting that first 15/20 minutes).
I agree that we have to sort out that defence but you have to remember it was Ellis's first game and Atkinson (arguably our best centre back) was pushed out to right back, and despite Raynes falling on his arse and losing his boots and overlooking that first 20 minutes I though we did ok Infact I was quite impressed with Ellis and think he could turn into a great acquisition, the same with 'Hope' later on in the game.
Its the same old problem for me though, the 'tinkering', he just needs to give some of the players a bit more game time so they can hopefully 'gel' into a decent unit. He needs (if possible) to play this team next week at Plymouth.

Can't believe I'm reading folk saying Gillespie had no chance with the goals. The first was a header direct from a corner 3 yards out, if that's not a keepers ball I don't know what is! It's not the first time it's happened lately either, Northamptons winner was from a corner and a similar distance out, absolutely woeful goalkeeping. The six yard box is the keepers area, he should be taking everything put in there from corners but Gillespie remains rooted to his line time after time.

When he does come for crosses he's rarely convincing anyway, he flapped at 2 yesterday and was to blame for goals at Northampton and Wycombe recently doing similar. I've said it quite a few times but it's a major flaw in his game.

Yes he makes some vital saves, 2 yesterday, but unfortunately goalkeeping is about a lot more than shot stopping.

bluebry wrote: maybe a bit harsh but that's the way I saw it... Yes I always thought we'd score against them as they are a very poor team... However we should have been 4-0 down after about 20 minutes. That would have been game over. I counted about 8 chances that they should have scored... Not just decent chances.... Absolutely great chances to score. Do that against a good team and we will get battered. Ellis did well second half but was poor first half... And Raynes was all over the place positionally, never mind his slips. Don't get me wrong we played some decent stuff at times but a decent opposition forward line would have demolished us yesterday.

Northumbrian wrote:
Struggling to recall Yeovil's 7 or 8 chances yesterday, let alone the 7 or 8 gilt edged ones. We had far more and far better chances than Yeovil and deserved the win.

franksidebottom wrote: he's got no chance on the first goal as its whipped in with pace beyond the front post... There are a couple if defenders between him and the ball... They should have dealt with it. It would be very difficult for him to come for a ball delivered with pace and dip in front of the near post like that, especially with players in front of him. The defenders are there to do that job... He has to trust they will do their job... They didn't.

I'mfranksidebottom wrote: 2 goals, 2 one on ones with the keeper, two free headers from about six yards that were easier to score than miss off the top of my head... Those should all have been goals. There were several other very good chances too... I'd watch the highlights without the rose tinted specs. Yes we had good chances too but if you didn't see Yeovils chances then you must have been asleep.

Yes overall we were the better team and played some decent stuff. But football doesn't work like that... If they take all their early chances we should be 4-0 down... And they should have taken those chances. That is game over. Once they stopped pressing us and dropped deeper back I always thought we'd get back into the game... But they should have killed the game off inside half an hour.

2 goals, 2 one on ones and 1 close range header are the only good chances I remember and I was awake all game. I can't remember or recall any of the "several other very good chances" you talk of and neither can you by the sounds of it or you'd have mentioned them!

Compare this to our 3 goals, 3 free headers (two from Raynes and one from Grainger), Asamoah's chance at the near post, the shot that was deflected and tipped round the post by their keeper in the second half and it's obvious we had the much better chances.

Northumbrian wrote:
Sorry mate but totally disagree with you, a ball put in the box 3 yards out is the keepers all day long, whether it has pace on it or not

franksidebottom wrote: lol. Okay I guess we will have to agree to disagree... I saw at least a couple of other efforts, one first half and one at the end flashing past the post with the keeper beaten. Beck also should have deflected a shot in. A couple of our free headers were from about 15 yards away and were never anywhere near... But that really isn't the point... We all see differently I guess. What isn't in dispute is that we could easily have been 4-0 down... And that is my point... That would have been game over. Luckily they missed two of those chances and we grabbed a good 3 points, which is all that matters. I don't think we will ever agree on this one or the first goal so let's agree to disagree as its getting boring and a bit pointless.

Gillespie - 7

Atkinson - 7
Ellis - 5
Raynes - 6
Grainger - 7

Hery - 5
Kennedy - 6
Dicker - 7

Gilliead - 8
Hope - 6
Wyke - 6

Subs

Gillesphey - 7
Asamoah - 5
Miller - N/A


Thought we started off poorly and looked a shambles at the back. Genuinely surprsied at the good ratings for Ellis - he was decent in the air but watching back the highlights, he totally lost Bird for the first goal and neither he or Raynes picked up the runner for the second. Could just be that he's rusty but I wasn't overly impressed. Don't understand why Curle moved Atkinson from centre-back where he has been excellent in recent weeks. He was good at right-back but I'd rather have him in the middle and Miller out there. Raynes, as has been mentioned, was dreadful bar his goals. That slip in the first-half! Grainger had a decent game - didn't do too much wrong and as usual his crossing was very good.

In midfield, I though Hery was a tad unlucky to come off - I tend to agree with much of what was said on that thread about him the other day but he looked like he was at least trying to create something. We switched to 4-2-3-1 after he came off and arguably, he would have been ideal in the middle of the 3. Kennedy was busy and solid but didn't get as much of a chance to bomb forward after the formation change. Dicker was probably our best player after Gilliead - cool on the ball and brought it out well when needed.

Surprised to see people rating Hope overall so well - I thought he was dreadful first-half, constantly losing possession and often giving up. Second-half he was a different player though - a real menace, holding it up well, turning defenders and chasing everything down. More of the second-half and he'll be a real asset. Wyke was hit and miss, some good stuff, some dire stuff. Could argue he didn't get much support and does still look like he's building up his fitness (though he shouldn't be far off that now). Gilliead was the Man of the Match for me - not as impressive with his running (though had some moments) but his delivery on corners was excellent.

Of the subs, I thought Gillesphey had a good game and linked well with Grainger. Interestingly, he made a mistake not long after coming on and gave the ball away but recovered very quickly to put in a good strong tackle that got the crowd behind him. Good header for his goal. Asamoah gave us a good outlet though I'd probably have brought him on sooner. Miller shored things up on the right for the few minutes he was on.

Thought we got a bit lucky overall - Yeovil started well and their attacking players linked well - Ryan Bird stood out, as did Cornick and Thomas. It went wrong for them with the injuries they picked up, ending up with Bird at CB and their left-winger dropping back to left-back. A better side would have got at our two centre-backs for the full 90. That said, one thing you can't deny is that this Carlisle side has got a lot of fight in it.

franksidebottom wrote:
Watching the highlights on YouTube, it's to the near post and not the middle of the six-yard box so not easy for Gillespie to get to. His job is made even harder by the defender backing into him on the line - didn't get any support from his team-mates and even so, there's four players stood around the area the ball comes into!

Looking at those highlights, does anyone know why at least 3 of our players have a pop at their player after our 3rd goal. Seems a bit unnecessary given we've just scored.

franksidebottom wrote: ask any keeper or defender and they will say thats not a keepers ball, its a low whipped ball at the close 6 yard box, footballs are differnt from what they were when that saying was about they move a lot lot quicker and a lot differently

CheadleBlue wrote:
He was fouled in the first half but went down holding his face for some reason, then switched to holding his shoulder, rolling round like he'd been shot. Then when Dicker got booked, he was in the refs face screaming, probably demanding a card; add to that a bit of time wasting and laughing at the paddock when things weren't going our way.

First goal, Yeovil player is blocking Gillespie from getting to the ball, obstructing him. Second goal our number 4 allows their striker to run off him and score. Am I wrong?

biblioclasm wrote:
Joyce would have done well to pick him up from the stand...

Happyblue wrote:
Like Northumbria said on another thread it's getting a bit boring now but felt I had to respond to this.
Funny you should say that, I was stood with an ex-keeper (at a good level aswell) and he agreed with me!
It blatantly wasn't a low whipped ball as the tallest player on the pitch had to put in a good leap to reach it!
I'm not sure what the close 6 yard box is, is it a football term?
So ŵhat your saying in summing up is that the ball was swerving and dipping like a Ronaldo free kick because of the modern day ball? The goalscorer didn't seem to encounter any such problems when timing his jump and header. You'll have to try better than that mate!!

Can't be arsed doing all the ratings but Dicker was the best player on the pitch such an intelligent player, his football brain is way ahead of any of our players.

Ellbell wrote: He seems particularly good when he plays alongside Joyce.

Pity his choice of music is so awful. His Desert Islands Disc selection before the Yeovil match was probably the most excruciating few minutes of airtime in the history of Radio Cumbria. It even came with a suggestion to go and make a cup of tea to avoid it.

franksidebottom wrote: Most coaches and managers deem anything level with or in front of the near post as the defenders responsibility... the keeper needs to concentrate on the center. Goalkeeping has changed as the ball has changed... your friend is probably just commenting on what he was taught when he was a keeper. Things move on. I've seen several keepers talking about positioning for set pieces recently on TV and they all concentrate on the center for corners.. the keeper simply doesn't have time to get past the blocker and in front of the 2 defenders and striker in the time it takes the keeper to get there. Obviously you have a different opinion but Gillespie is a pretty good keeper at this level and we are lucky to have him. He made a couple of fantastic saves one-on-one without which we would have been buried. He is never going to be Peter Schmeichel battering defenders out of the way and taking high balls under pressure... we have to be realistic with expectations, he is a tier 4 keeper and he really isn't that big for a keeper.

Ever walked past Gillespie? He's hardly tiny!

The lad from Newcastle, Giillihead was my man of the match, roasted both left backs. I was disappointed in Wyke and Hope, ythought they offered very little going forward

I don't generally do the ratings out of ten stuff for individuals, and I won't start with this game. But just some general comments on the game overall.

I thought our initial set up was entirely suited to playing against a team struggling to win, however they were right into us early on and pressed hard, in fact they did really well, and deserved to go in front. The goals were both pretty sloppy, although the second was a really good run from their scorer and an excellent pass. It was still another 10 minutes before we woke up, even after that, and although I thought the formation was the right one it wasn't working particularly well. Curle spotted what was wrong and made the change, so congratulations to him for that (Hery did really well in the build up to the corner from which we scored our first by the way). As soon as we scored their pressing became very ragged, and I remarked to Griff that they looked tired, and we'd go on to win, and from then on we slaughtered them really.

There were good and bad performances, at the back Atkinson was excellent, and Gillesphey had a pretty good day (a small error followed by a fabulous tackle probably gave him confidence). Raynes and Ellis struggled at first, I guess with not having played together, and Raynes seemed to have a footwear issue, both improved second half, and I can see Ellis being a decent acquisition once he settles in. Raynes took his goals nicely and redeemed himself well. Gillespie is an odd one, for a big lad he worries me, as soon as the first goal was scored, I said it was a keeper's ball, but he gets blocked far too easily all the time, still his saves during the game were pretty good.

In midfield we were obviously by far the better team, Grainger had a very good game and was a real handful, Dicker was the best passer of the ball on the pitch by miles, but still has a few problems with his composure at times (his tackle was worse than what Joyce got sent off for). Kennedy was absolutely tireless, he won the ball, played it smart, supported the forwards and for me was the man of the match by a mile.

Gilliead had another very good day, absolutely tortured them, and they were doubling on him. He's obviously still learning, and there were a couple of occasions where he missed Hope getting into real god positions, but I can forgive him that because he's a very exciting prospect. Wyke was blowing a bit hot and cold, perhaps not fully up to speed, sometimes he was great, sometimes much less so, but there's plenty still to come, and Hope (I thought he might be taken off, and I could have commented that we were hopeless, but sadly not to be) was infuriating first half, because you can see what he has, but he just wasn't delivering. However after the break he was a different lad, full of energy and all over them, if he'd been that way all game he'd have been the man of the match.

Overall a great game to watch, loads of mistake, loads of action and plenty of goals, plus we came out on the right side of it. It was well worth the money I paid.

1954Blue wrote:
He played very little over the 5 mins in the 2nd half, I know because I'm sad enough to set off the stopwatch on my phone at the end of the 90 mins so I know exactly how long is left.

Moorlad wrote:
Pretty much exactly how I saw the game Moorlad, as soon as we got the first I felt there was only one winner. Kennedy easily MoM and spot on with your thoughts on Gillespie. Only thing I disagree with is about Dicker. I do like him and feel we're a much more composed side with him in it but I thought his passing was a bit ragged on Saturday, seemed to be a lot of aimless forward balls by him such as the one which led to Yeovil's second goal. As you said though, a really enjoyable game of football.

franksidebottom wrote:
Im with Northumbrian on this one. They had enough chances to be 5 up before we scored, not sure which game you were watching, maybe you were queing for a coffee or something, it's happened to me before.

When Raynes fell on his crack and Gillespie made the save, it was the resulting corner they scored from, so if that had gone in there'd have been no corner and therefore no extra chance. I certainly agree we were all at sea for the first 20 minutes, and I reckon they could have been 3 up. It was really strange because I also thought, once we recovered a bit, we could easily have gone in at half time at 4 - 2, Kennedy was unlucky with one he had to stretch for and put over the bar and we had a couple of very good headed chances as well. They were blowing a bit after half an hour, I mentioned it to Griff, they appeared very unfit (comparatively) and their pressing really went to pieces, their whole game plan appeared to be getting into our faces early and killing the game off, and fair play to them they almost managed it.

The trouble they had was once they had blown themselves out they were there for the taking. I think Northumbrian's probably right if they'd taken 4 of their chances we'd have been out of it, but teams at this level can't be relied on to convert every opportunity.