TOPIC: Highest places team we are potentially as big as

if not Bournemouth then certainly Brentford?

And????

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Depends how you measure potential

kellsblue wrote:
1.
having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.
"a campaign to woo potential customers"
synonyms: possible, likely, prospective, future, probable, budding, in the making; More

markredfox73 wrote:
It's the start of a debate you idiot

Is that right.. theres nowt to debate.. under the baffoons we are tin pot who will never be in a position like the 2 clubs you mention.

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Watford

More like the fans who do nowt but moan and boycott for years on end

Forest Green

Who are Brentford potentially as big as then?. Its a bloody stupid argument and you just want someone to say were going no where under our current owners so you can say you won another bet. Nice try.

SilentStan wrote:
I didn't ask for a definition, I asked for a measure. You could argue we are potentially as big as anyone, conversely as small as anyone.

This is my 29th season following the blues. A quick trail through Wikipedia tells me that in that time we have finished higher than Bournemouth 5 times and Brentford 4.

I realise that the word "potential" is key but the fact is that over a longish period of time they have both been consistently stronger than us. The Championship side we have finished above the most in that period is Rotherham - 7 times, or roughly 24%. Different fans will have different periods of reference of course, and different ideas of what constitutes a 'big' club but I'm struggling to see us as bigger than a club who have finished above us in 75% of the seasons I have been watching football.

Well if we were lucky enough for a billionaire to take a fancy to us ploughing tens of millions into infrastructure and players we could do a Swansea or something similar

I would be happy to progress as a club organically though through good governing and business practices at the top with money filtering through over time

I think some bloke wanted to try and implement something like that a few month ago but got lied too and piss taken out of him by our supremo's


utb

Carlisle although it doesn ot have a high poplation density, populated has about 200 thousand people within a 30 minute drive, no rugby team, no football team etc not one person who could really challenge for support, if we made it to the premiership we could just about muster 20 thousand at a push

Happyblue wrote:
A bit like Wigan perhaps? I suppose with the right backer your probably right. Problem is I don't think the person needed exists.

Mystifies me why fans care about stuff like this, constantly we have people on her claiming that we are bigger than/have more potential than X clubs, realistically we have the potential to be anything from a premiership to non-league, as do every other team. Do you think Portsmouth fans would have even considered playing in League 2 when they won the FA cup ? And visa-versa with Wigan.

Clubs don't achieve major success by growing organically anymore, it may help you compete in your own league, but to really shoot up you need major investment.

For me, anyone who claims we have the potential to be in the prem if we had better owners, stadium and players is the equivalent of the guy who sits in the pub telling people he could've played for England if he hadn't got injured/smoked/drank/had any ability.

I think having watched the utter dross on display for a good 5/6 years at least, fans are becoming disillusioned and it's not ridiculous to look at clubs of similar sizes to us doing incredibly well and speculating as to just how good we could be with the right owner/owners! How far could Laffy have taken the club given the chance? We'll now not know but he gained a lot of supporters in a short period of time and could have inspired a real shift in mentality at the club.

I find it infuriating that Wigan Athletic won the FA cup! Swansea City the League Cup! Hull City made it to the FA cup Final! Bournemouth beat Chelsea and Manchester United this week. 10/15 years ago had someone said this to you you'd have wet yourself laughing! I would have! I honestly reckon Carlisle has massive potential and a good group of fans that do follow the club home and away! I'm regularly proud when I see our away attendances. So why can't we make comparisons with other successful clubs that have been on the brink of non league/administration etc and speculate as to how much better things could be?

I reckon with decent owners with a bit of ambition we could be as big as Blackpool.

And with a lot of investment possibly Juventus/Benfica.

I'm not saying it would be easy though.

People laughed when Greg Abbott said we were about the same level as Bury and Rochdale. They're no laughing now.

Champions95 wrote:
IF you've followed carlisle for the last 30 years you'd be hard pushed to find a team who've finished beneath us more often than not. We've spent at least 10 of those seasons scraping along the bottom of division four.

Barnsley and Burnley are teams from similar sized towns to us who've done well in the recent past. Whether this is sugar daddy money or being run well I don't know.

On the other hand there's places of similar size like Chester, Grimsby, Halifax, Lincoln who may not see the league again

Burnley are a bit of a phenomenon with the highest percentage of population attending games I think I read. A real footballing town you could say.

orfc wrote:
You need to look at north Cumbria population and not Carlisle population to find a club to compare us to,i see as many f not more people from outside of carisle at matches than people from Carlisle.

nobbyblue wrote:
You been on the sherry?!

We have underachieved for 30 years - its a disgrace we have never got back to the 2nd tier when you look at some of the teams without backing that have got there. Our catchment area is over 200k when you consider Carlisle 110k, Copeland 60k, Allerdale 94k, Eden 53k. Thats not including South Lakeland and SW Scotland either. We averaged 14,500 in the top flight when attendances were a lot lower in English football then they are now.

I don't think we should be looking at other teams to compare how big they are.
No matter what level we are at we should always be looking to improve and never think we have made it at any time.
That's why Abbott fell into that trap after winning the JPS Final and eventually failed.

Anyway wouldn't it be nice for other teams to look at us and wish they could be as good as us, instead of the other way round.

Somewhere between Leicester and York

Urban Designer wrote:
The problem is not many of that 60k in Copeland or 94k in Allerdale give a shit about Carlisle in general or Carlisle United. As for South West Scotland id hazard a guess that the football fans from that region support either QOTS or Rangers/Celtic.

Dancingbear wrote:
That funny as someone from Allendale i find it to be a different story i find actually most of the fans i see and talk at the Carlisle matches are from these areas which dont give a shit

Wazza wrote:
I thought you would've figured it out that Nobby was Scottish by now so replace the Sherry with Buckfast and you're onto a winner.

As for our Away attendances I find they are piss poor compared to a decade ago. We used to take around a thousand or over wherever we went.

Happyblue wrote:
The not many who do give a shit are already fans who do go quite regularly. When there's a big match the majority of extra fans are probably people from the Carlisle area who usually can't be bothered going a mile or two to get there every other week.