Aye you'll need to give a bit more information than that, Google throws up nothing for Lord Baker performance statistics 7 December 2015. A link maybe?As you said it's easy to find
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Not struggling with subtraction. Channel 4 fact checker on the cuts made and proposed to education funding. Cameron has refused to ring fencing spending on 16-19 year olds so Kenneth Baker's good idea could die a death before it has a chance to gain a foothold
That report assumes all is equal, which it is not. When I was a School Governor a child was worth about £4.5k per year + a top-up from the Barchester fund as the School was VA, so multiply by the school numbers, hey presto your gross income.
1 x Child around £5250
10x Childern £52500
The report certainly does not make it clear that costs do not go up proportionally..........
1 or 100 children the fixed costs remain the same.
What the key part of the report is, is that Cameron has kept the payments per child up with inflation. What he has reduced is payments outside of that. Money for nursery schools for example and money for things like maintenance. You would expect maintenance costs to increase in line with the number of kids.
The reason that all of that is relevant here is that funding is being cut for 16-19 year olds and that includes these UTCs. He has come on here and held up these colleges as shining examples of Tory ingenuity which have captured the imagination of private industry and are attracting vast amounts of funds from our entrepreneurs who have had their tax bills slashed by Cameron. In fact nothing could be further from the truth. They were planned by Labour. Lord Dorking has had a constant battle with the Education Secretary and has achieved what he has achieved despite the Government not because of. The most insidious part though is this claim that cutting taxes will lead to entrepreneurs investing, recruiting, creating value and winning bullshit bingo. I can't find one example of a private company that has invested in these things, I'm convinced some have somewhere but hardly the Tinkerbell world where private industry will take over funding education if people earning 20 grand a year vote for tax cuts for people who can buy football teams. The greatest shame of course is that to Laffy's credit it does sound like a good idea and something that is worth supporting, Just a shame we have a Government that doesn't give a crap.
Nicky Morgan talking about Government spending
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Marko, you are right. Cutting taxes on the rich doesn't make them more likely to share their good fortune. They are more likely to give to good causes if they get a sizeable tax break from doing so and this works best when taxes are higher. I do some work with a student funding scheme and tax rates of 45% and gift aid are crucial for making it work. We can also get matched funding from other trusts and the giver can attach his name to the awards. So for every £1 of after tax income donated £4 or so of benefit can be given to a student and the donor gets his name in lights. The richer people are the more they want in return for their 'benevolence'.
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I'm not getting involved in who invented what-suffice to say that the Labour Party have always left the country's finances in a worse state than that inherited.
It's a sad state of affairs when any business or society comes to rely on benevolance as the taps can be turned off as quickly as turned on
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We have wasted Billions creating a disenfranchised generation who are in life-long debt with a degree that is worthless. Why? because this was Labours response to a damning European report showing the UK at the bottom of the league for over 18 graduates Blair and Brown response, throw money at it. In addition, Labour promised 80% of all kids at KS2 would achieve a SATS result of level 4 minimum, in English, Maths and Science. To achieve these ambitions they threw Billions of taxpayers money down the toilet, the statistics started to show a failing policy as only 51% were achieving the promised level. Miraculously, within a period of 2 x years labours stats showed the 80% target was being achieved.
Do you think this is because of reform, or better learning schemes, or employing better teachers or any other ? No, typical of labour and targets, the bar was lowered.
It is ironic,that the left is a bit jealous of the success of a system that was put in place to help working class kids ' get a trade ' Apprenticeships always were and are today the best practical way to get kids to work, a real way forward. It is also ironic that the major Unions (with the exception of 1) do not support employing young people or winning heats and minds, or apprenticeships. Don't you find that a bit strange.....
The Construction Industry alone requires 50k apprentices per year, they get less than one-quarter of that. So, cry all you like about this, that or the other, unfortunately it was the Labour party who were the ' Custodians over Failure ' on education.
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I'm not getting involved in who invented what-suffice to say that the Labour Party have always left the country's finances in a worse state than that inherited.
It's a sad state of affairs when any business or society comes to rely on benevolence as the taps can be turned off as quickly as turned on
And I'm not getting involved in paper chases to look for justifications why the current warmongering Government thinks bombs are more important than our children. If there is a grain of truth in anything you say then stick up a link. But don't try and waste my time making me justify your empty claims.
Every Labour Party has left the finances in a worse state when they left- that is simply not true The post war Labour Party began the process of rebuilding Britain and restored her financial position, even though the Tories got in in 51 they continued the same financial and social policies started by Labour. The Blair Government increased average incomes hugely and debt only increased from 42% to 50% of GDP. Just read the article, child benefit increases of 72%, poorest third of pensioners have have real increases of £1750 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premiership_of_Tony_Blair
and George Osborne who has created more debt than every Labour Government in history. Here is a link, if you click on it you can read the justification given by an independent person, its called a link anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02...rne-debt-monger.html
The Daily Mail Bumper Boys Book of Bollocks is available at bargain book stores and at shops serving the terminally gullible now. Or you can buy a copy by sending a cheque to Viscount Rothmere (non dom), Chairman of the Daily Mail Trust in George Town, the Cayman Islands. You can then use the book to teach your kids to read because there is no [censored] way they will have books at school if Cameron continues
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I would go and have a cold shower matey.At moments like like I remind myself of the crass 'there's no money' note left by Liam Byrne when Supreme Leader Gordon Brown was prised from power in 2010.
Not sure how to stick up a link on here re Lord Baker's efforts so not being difficult
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Impressive statistics, though those who choose to go to that sort of College are probably already more motivated than the lower quartile of students that drop out of schooling with few or no qualifications. Still a worthy project though.
Let's not forget though, that this Government has borrowed just as much, if not more, than the previous labour one, and I note that they've had to stop the jibes about Labour Party spending. Someone said the other day that Labour spent billions on transport, education and the NHS (not to mention having to bail out the banks), but looking at the Conservative borrowings I'm not sure where the money's gone. Can anyone help?
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At least Liam Byrne learnt to write. Its control c control v just like everywhere else in life. Haven't you got an intern? Bloody hell, not doing a great job of promoting Tory education
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Impressive statistics, though those who choose to go to that sort of College are probably already more motivated than the lower quartile of students that drop out of schooling with few or no qualifications. Still a worthy project though.
Let's not forget though, that this Government has borrowed just as much, if not more, than the previous labour one, and I note that they've had to stop the jibes about Labour Party spending. Someone said the other day that Labour spent billions on transport, education and the NHS (not to mention having to bail out the banks), but looking at the Conservative borrowings I'm not sure where the money's gone. Can anyone help?
Indeed impressive and I don't think anyone thinks its a bad idea. Shame then that the funding is not ring fenced for this, no evidence of private funding bore drone apologies to bruntonpasty
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Markovtich, you have to accept the UK can only do what we can do. If you took over an ailing business with massive debts, you would strip it down, sell the assets, pay the debts and start again - or - Cut costs, reduce overheads, demand out-standings then borrow to re-liquidate and move forward on a long-term plan. When labour lost, they left a basket case (option 1 above) but we can't liquidate the assets of the UK economy, so we have no option but to plan a long-term approach.
After the damage done under 'Bomber Blair' and 'Spend it today, b****cks to tomorrow Brown' to our economy, we couldn't even rely on good old commodities like Gold to fall back on, they'd flogged that off as well.
Remember what socialism did to every Political Party in the 70's, right royally stuffed us all, so the cycle is simple and will not change. For a decade + the Cons will balance the books of UK Ltd, then infighting will allow the opposition to force change. The Socialists will p** away the money, bring the Country to the brink then get voted out, and so on and so on and so on..........However, this time the wilderness for the Socialists will become familiar, no matter how bad the Cons may be, the real scrapping within the Labour Party has not even started yet..
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I'm not the slightest bit interested in ring fencing-thus far,the academies have flourished and nobody complains about lack of funding-in contrast to the state system.
Kenneth Baker got off his backside and has built this from nothing-yet we are defending it on here!
Is it me?
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They need to borrow all the money to pay the Teachers and glorified Dinner Ladies or should i say Teaching Assistants .Theres more people work at my local Primary School than Pirellis factory .
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They need to borrow all the money to pay the Teachers and glorified Dinner Ladies or should i say Teaching Assistants .Theres more people work at my local Primary School than Pirellis factory .
Stop fishing.
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They need to borrow all the money to pay the Teachers and glorified Dinner Ladies or should i say Teaching Assistants .Theres more people work at my local Primary School than Pirellis factory .
Stop fishing.
Or at least buy a decent rod.
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Markovtich, you have to accept the UK can only do what we can do. If you took over an ailing business with massive debts, you would strip it down, sell the assets, pay the debts and start again - or - Cut costs, reduce overheads, demand out-standings then borrow to re-liquidate and move forward on a long-term plan. When labour lost, they left a basket case (option 1 above) but we can't liquidate the assets of the UK economy, so we have no option but to plan a long-term approach.
After the damage done under 'Bomber Blair' and 'Spend it today, b****cks to tomorrow Brown' to our economy, we couldn't even rely on good old commodities like Gold to fall back on, they'd flogged that off as well.
Remember what socialism did to every Political Party in the 70's, right royally stuffed us all, so the cycle is simple and will not change. For a decade + the Cons will balance the books of UK Ltd, then infighting will allow the opposition to force change. The Socialists will p** away the money, bring the Country to the brink then get voted out, and so on and so on and so on..........However, this time the wilderness for the Socialists will become familiar, no matter how bad the Cons may be, the real scrapping within the Labour Party has not even started yet..
So is there a Daily Mail bollocks cliche conference on in Carlisle today, you boys are out in force.
If you take the Blair years debt stayed at a levelish 25-35% of GDP. We saw sharp rises in 2009 when Brown was Chancellor so debt had risen to about 50% of GDP by the time Cameron and the lizard people slithered in. In 6 years it has risen from 50 to 85% or a 70% increase on what was inherited. Assuming we have the projected 2016 budget deficit it the deficits in every year of Cameron's Tory Government will have been bigger than any deficit since 1994 when the Chancellor was, er John Major. You can use the graph machine to generate figures www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/spending_char...UKp_10c1li111lcn_H0t
As for the 70s I remember the 3 day week under Heath and the 80% rise in crime when Thatcher came to power.
As for academies flourishing?! Where do you get that from? Nicky Morgon who looks like an iguana giving a blow job. No evidence whatsoever they are a step forward though if flourishing means brain washing central has taken over their finance that is certainly true www.independent.co.uk/news/education/edu...search-10356408.html
Here is Stephen Gibb explaining why academies are being forced on schools that don't want it. Lots of use of the word flourish though, adding value gets a look in as well
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I'm not the slightest bit interested in ring fencing-thus far,the academies have flourished and nobody complains about lack of funding-in contrast to the state system.
Kenneth Baker got off his backside and has built this from nothing-yet we are defending it on here!
Is it me?
Your post says academies have flourished. There is no evidence of that, there are just lots of them.
Lord Dorking did get off his arse, though he would be handsomely paid for getting off his arse of course. I don't think anyone so far has said these UTCs are bad, certainly my opinion is that on paper at least they seem a very good idea. The greater concerns expressed not just by me are that the Tory education cuts will strangle them. They are specifically not ring fenced and as the current Government is cutting all non ring fenced education spending that seems to be a bit of a foregone conclusion.
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Marko, with regard to the topic title, take a look on the news and star website. There's an article about Mr Woodcock, Labour MP for Barrow, Apparently, from his twitter comments, things are not a bed of roses at Labour HQ either.
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Very understandable, scrapping Trident is brilliant news for the economy as a whole but bad news for those areas which support Trident. Corbyn has suggested keeping Trident going without the missiles which has been poo poo-ed by the Daily Mail ignoring the fact that, that is exactly what Germany, Japan etc etc do. Trident will cost £130bn of which £20bn will be spent in the UK, the balance going to the US. Corbyn could increase defence spending by 50% ie spend £30bn and still have £100bn to improve UTCs, hospitals etc
If you had a 50% budget increase to spend in Barrow, Portsmouth and Faslane how would you spend it to safeguard jobs? I don't pretend to have the answer to that question and creating like for like jobs won't be easy
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No argument there. I'm SNP. Its much easier to criticise the Tories when you are not in power. Th SNP will have its fair share of perverts, crooks and ne'er do wells as do all parties, they will also make mistakes.
As for Trident a decision in the national interest will cause regional suffering. Corbyn will have a sizeable war chest to smooth the change but for some it will not be a comfortable transformation. Unfortunately you can't please all the people all the time
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Ah, the party that allows civil servants to spy on your kids,breaks Forth Bridge,invents oil, chucks farmers out of their homes,refuses to accept a referendum result. But none if is any of their fault. Ever.
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Well today is SNP Independence Day-if you had won but to remind all,and some in your party forget,you lost and by a heavy margin.I saw raw nationalism in Glasgow two years ago-it wasn't pretty.
According to the IFS yesterday,you would now be £11bn worse off this financial year-basically meltdown financially with each individual Scot £2000 worse off.
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Well today is SNP Independence Day-if you had won but to remind all,and some in your party forget,you lost and by a heavy margin.I saw raw nationalism in Glasgow two years ago-it wasn't pretty.
According to the IFS yesterday,you would now be £11bn worse off this financial year-basically meltdown financially with each individual Scot £2000 worse off.
Hm, well its even £15bn in some newspapers. Of course it ignores a couple of little items
1) The 10bn Cameron offered to keep Trident in Scotland
2) That it includes an allocation of debt Osborne has borrowed for the UK. It could be up to 40%, we don't know in Scotland because Westminster doesn't release the make up of all the GERs number to the Scottish Parliament
3) 40% of Scottish spending is controlled by Westminster
4) The SNP's manifesto acknowledges that in the early days of independence we will have to borrow
The Government Expenditure and Revenue figures as you well know as a Chartered Accountant include great swathes of allocations of expenditures for the UK. We are therefore saddled with 'our share' of expenditure and borrowing the intellectual midget in power has locked us into.
These include £600m for cyber security to defend us against Isis. If dunderbrain hadn't sent our troops to slaughter arabs we could have spent ---£0 as Spain, Italy and Portugal have done. £800m for special ops in the middle east, why the bloody hell do people in Crieff and Lanark need that shit? Get these cretins away from us. If we have a few less quid in our pockets at least we'll have decent schools, UTCs, swimming pools and hospitals
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Well today is SNP Independence Day-if you had won but to remind all,and some in your party forget,you lost and by a heavy margin.I saw raw nationalism in Glasgow two years ago-it wasn't pretty.
According to the IFS yesterday,you would now be £11bn worse off this financial year-basically meltdown financially with each individual Scot £2000 worse off.
Hm, well its even £15bn in some newspapers. Of course it ignores a couple of little items
1) The 10bn Cameron offered to keep Trident in Scotland
2) That it includes an allocation of debt Osborne has borrowed for the UK. It could be up to 40%, we don't know in Scotland because Westminster doesn't release the make up of all the GERs number to the Scottish Parliament
3) 40% of Scottish spending is controlled by Westminster
4) The SNP's manifesto acknowledges that in the early days of independence we will have to borrow
The Government Expenditure and Revenue figures as you well know as a Chartered Accountant include great swathes of allocations of expenditures for the UK. We are therefore saddled with 'our share' of expenditure and borrowing the intellectual midget in power has locked us into.
These include £600m for cyber security to defend us against Isis. If dunderbrain hadn't sent our troops to slaughter arabs we could have spent ---£0 as Spain, Italy and Portugal have done. £800m for special ops in the middle east, why the bloody hell do people in Crieff and Lanark need that shit? Get these cretins away from us. If we have a few less quid in our pockets at least we'll have decent schools, UTCs, swimming pools and hospitals
Ive been to Crieff im sure my golf ball got attacked by ISIS.
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We are destined to agree to disagree.Working in Glasgow,I do get to see both sides of the fence and the SNP only secured a large vote through offering untold wealth in utopia land-as Alex Salmond's ex policy chief notes today in the FT,offering both independence and wealth was all well and good but the wealth case has since collapsed and is not credible.I do find it amusing and intellectually challenging that they want independence but also to stay in Europe.
Anyway,we shall have to agree to disagree and move back to football matters
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Wrong course. Played the Ferntower course a couple of times. Used to go up that area every year with a couple of lads from work. Some lovely little courses up there.
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No argument there. I'm SNP. Its much easier to criticise the Tories when you are not in power. Th SNP will have its fair share of perverts, crooks and ne'er do wells as do all parties, they will also make mistakes.
As for Trident a decision in the national interest will cause regional suffering. Corbyn will have a sizeable war chest to smooth the change but for some it will not be a comfortable transformation. Unfortunately you can't please all the people all the time
The SNP? FFS, here was me thinking Markovitch was talking a lot of sense!
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Well today is SNP Independence Day-if you had won but to remind all,and some in your party forget,you lost and by a heavy margin.I saw raw nationalism in Glasgow two years ago-it wasn't pretty.
According to the IFS yesterday,you would now be £11bn worse off this financial year-basically meltdown financially with each individual Scot £2000 worse off.
Makes you wonder why the rest of the UK wanted Scotland to remain. If they had left we would have been billions better off considering the Scottish expenditure.
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