TOPIC: The EU referendum: Remain or Out

simple question, and a 1 word answer would be sufficient.


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Was undecided. After tonight's debate definitely OUT.

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I thought the German was quite good tonight.

Why stop at UK out. Surely England out would be better. Cumbria out would be even better. No sorry I meant Cumberland. No wait a minute that would include the jam eaters. No what I really meant was Carlisle out. Hang on a minute that would include Raffles. What I really meant was my house. As long as my house is OK the world is a wonderful place.

Small minded people rule OK?

Grow up and embrace the world.

IN.

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howoldboy wrote:
I thought you'd reminded me of something:

3/1 for out looking excellent value.

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howoldboy wrote: freedom for Stanwix, if it's good enough for that pro leave gentleman Lord Cumberland then it's good enough for me. take that you remain scum Bonnie prince Islam.

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Out from me but there's not a hope in hell of a leave vote unfortunately.

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Seems to be a lot of small 'minded people' on this thread how old boy. What part of one word, in or out didn't you understand? Stop trying to claim the moral high ground. Grow up? You grow up. Idiot.

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howoldboy wrote: It is actually you that is being small minded by assuming everyone who votes out is small minded....

I want to embrace the world.... I want to trade with the world.... I want to be able to trade on a free trade basis with huge developing economies like China, India, South America, south East Asia..... unfortunately the small minded, inward looking EU is blocking our attempts to set up trade agreements with these areas.

Free trade market available to EU members = $7 trillion GDP
Free Trade market available to Switzerland = $30+ Trillion GDP
Free Trade market available to Chile = $59 Trillion GDP

Voting leave is a vote to embrace the world.... and crucially it will allow us to trade with the world.

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Oot!

Don't worry Eddie Izzard must have lost the In campaign a few thousand votes last with his quite frankly embarrassing performance on question time last night

As Northumbrian eloquently put it the staying in is the small minded option

there is a world of trade markets out there and is Europe really going to shut out its best customer if it leaves

Can anyone tell me what exactly we'd export to the likes of China, South East Asia, India etc?

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I voted Out in 1975 but they didn't Listen!

I don't think that enough people agree with me this time either. It'll be a big mistake as our lives in this country will be adversely affected year on year, as sure as night follows day.

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loser wrote: "UK exports of goods to China have more than doubled since 2010. They were worth £14.1 billion in 2014, doubling over the term of the last UK parliament and making China the UK’s sixth largest export market.

The UK is now the second biggest European exporter to China. 35% of our goods exports are cars. One third of our exports to China are services.

Top UK exports to China in 2014:

road vehicles
medicinal and pharmaceutical products
power generating machinery / equipment
metalliferous ores and scrap metal
general industrial machinery, equipment and parts"

That is a brief summary of our exports. Happy with that? Imagine what we could do if we left the EU and followed the mighty Iceland's footsteps and negotiated a free trade deal with them.... imagine how high our exports could be then? The worlds second largest economy and biggest single market and we do not have access to free trade, yet Iceland do. Thanks EU.

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Northumbrian, you should have fronted the out campaign instead of the idiots like Farage who are trying to persuade people to vote leave by making them fear immigration.

CheadleBlue wrote: Haha. Thanks. The irony was that I was very pro-european a few years back..... but the whole EU project has gone to seed in the last decade. The reality is that it no longer works for any of the major nations in the EU and they are all starting to wake up to that fact.... there is massive discontent with the EU in France, Germany and other member countries too. It's a nice idea in principle but only really works if the member countries are of a fairly similar economic development and ideology.

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howoldboy wrote:
If only we were allowed! What a silly statement

OUT (in capitals) btw

CheadleBlue wrote:
If Nigel Farage hadn't brought to the attention of the masses the ways of the undemocratic,money wasting, corrupt entity that is the EU a few years ago I doubt we would be having this referendum.

farage is far from being an idiot to be fair

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4 of us in my office, all under 30 (just). 2 in, 2 out.

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I wouldn't class myself as being beyond sway-able in this, mind.

One thing that most people would agree on I would think is that this whole process has been a bloody shambles, and that our politicians have been nothing short of a disgrace. Nobody trusts what the politicians are feeding us, because they're all contradicting each other but not being able to back each other up.

Someone complained about people asking to be told what the cold hard facts are, citing the fact that the facts are available for anyone who wants to find them, especially online. But there's so much guff online that you have no idea what to believe, so you go back to trusting your instinct on what's going to be best for you.

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www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/10...lfgang-schauble-says

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It's worth a try, it's not like we can't rejoin if it went tits up(which I doubt it will) I'm sure they won't turn their noses up at the next 10 billion quid.

The thing is you can't provide facts for occurrences in the future which is what it all hinges on. Facts and stats can also be interpreted and presented in different ways according to the quoters beliefs. There was a figure quoted the other night by the In campaign, they said that 65% of big businesses in UK wanted us to stay. The actual truth was that 65% of the big businesses which responded to the question wanted us to stay, however only 40% of those asked bothered to respond. A big difference!

Whenever you watch any politics programme there are numerous figures quoted by all parties which they expect us just to take as the truth as we don't know any better, however in this day and age it's easy just to google their claims and find out the actual truth. A website called fullfacts is very good, it's independent and regularly checks figures, stats and claims from politicians on TV. Quite alarming how many liars frequent the House of Commons!

Northumbrian wrote: Yeah thanks. I wasn't having a go, was just curious and you answered my question.

Another question though! If we already export all those good then why do we need to leave the EU to do it? If we already do it?

This is the sort of debate that is needed. I know f*ck all in the grand scheme of things but both sides are only interested in insults, scaremongering, and blatantly over/understated half-truths rather than genuinely informing people. I've tried asking questions to "normal" people who want out, but they just turn out to be halfwits who come up with stupid reasons like "I just like change" or "I'm just voting out because of Cameron trying to scare us". They are hardly legitimate reasons to take such a big risk. You come across far better than that though, you seem to actually know what you want and have solid reasons for it.

loser wrote: Because we currently have to pay duties to export to China, which makes your products more expensive.... if we can negotiate free trade with China then our products will be cheaper to the Chinese and therefore more appealing... which should lead to much higher export levels. Basically the EU has a terrible record of negotiating these free trade deals.... they have failed repeatedly to come to an agreement with South American block, South East Asian block, India, China and the USA over many, many years of negotiations. The reason is that there are some EU governments that are protectionist... that is they would rather protect their own market because they fear outside competition... the main culprit is France. They have a veto on any new agreement and are not afraid to use it if they think any deal is a threat to their economy in any way.... because of that we are effectively being prevented from trading with much of the world on a free trade basis. The proof of this is that small countries not in the EU, like Iceland, Switzerland and Chile have successfully negotiated free trade agreements with many regions that the EU hasn't.... meaning that they effectively have a free trade market 6 or 7 times the size of the one we currently have as an EU member. Leaving the EU may mean we lose access to the EU free trade zone... although I seriously doubt that longer term.... but that loss would easily be made up by gaining access to much bigger markets like China and India on a free trade basis. The EU is a backward inward looking organisation that holds us back when it comes to international trade.I'm amazed that this hasn't been highlighted much more by the leave campaign... but they seem to be more focused on BS and fear, like the remain campaign.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/10...lfgang-schauble-says

Well lets hope this Kraut wa*nker is correct because if he is the EU will have imploded within 5 years as its largest companies and the people who own them will go to war on the unelected bueracrats who seem to think they know whats best for those companies.

Bring it on as soon as possible.

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Here is an interesting conundrum.
It is perceived that the majority of people living in Scotland now want to be independent from the UK. It is also said that a large majority wish to remain in the EU.
On that basis, it is considered that a UK wide vote to leave the EU could lead to a second referendum in Scotland with a possible outcome of Scotland becoming independent.
Accordingly, a logical vote by Scottish nationalists in the up coming referendum would be a tactical "LEAVE". This would increase the possibility of the UK voting to leave the EU.
But if this was to be the case, how would the Scottish nationalists justify a new independence referendum, if the majority of voters in Scotland had voted LEAVE?

Cayambe wrote:

Very interesting that! The wicked witch up there has been a fairly vociferous supporter of Remain and said so during their referendum yet, voting leave could potentially give them what they want.