TOPIC: EFL Trophy (Formerly JPT) changes for next season - Group Format & Prem Academies

Imagine all those Man U fans from Carlisle showing up in the away end when we play their kids.



Eurgh

bejustandfearprokas wrote:
I remember the Reserve match when we were in the Conference - there was nearly a punch-up or two in the Main Stand when some Carlisle Reds suggested that the Blues weren't very good...

The Archer wrote:
And i hope some white coach who should have got the job on merit sues the arse off them for Rcial Discrmination [or in your world are you saying White British People cannot not be discriminated against ]

Even Keith Curle thinks that its a total waste of time www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/03...carlisle-rooney-rule

Utter Fu*ckin Disgrace but what else can you expect from a total tw*at like Nixon

So far in L2, it's confirmed that Accrington Stanley, Hartlepool United, Luton Town and Portsmouth all voted against it.

Edit - as pointed out by someone else, AFC Wimbledon are now L1!

Interesting article - seems Premier League clubs aren't as convinced about this as the EFL are!

www.thisisanfield.com/2016/06/football-l...gue-21-teams-201617/

MerseysideBlue wrote:
And going by that article it looks like thetre going to be dicking around with the dates as well

These reasons include not being able to play anyone registered in the first team squad of 25 players, and that all games are to be played during the international breaks.

The Archer wrote:
Your a better turn than Shaldon I'll give you that. I'd bet our manager would be quite upset a prominent supporter like yourself thinks Nicon only gave him the job coz of his colour.

I am really, really disappointed in this decision, not surprised, but sickened at the lack of respect shown for the pride and loyalty of fans of League 1 and 2.

This has always been OUR trophy, and we at Carlisle United can claim an allegiance to this competition that goes beyond any other club.

Six finals, beating Colchester and Brentford. Looking back our losses in the final certainly do not look too shoddy either. Swansea and Southampton, two clubs on the way to the top, Birmingham and Bristol City also on the rise. We felt proud in those finals, as fans, win or lose, it was great.

Win or lose, would I feel pride to be in a final v Arsenal U21s, would I hell!

To be in a plastic competition, made simply because the big teams hoover up any kid with a modicum of talent to sit and rot in their Reserves, as much to stop them being available to anyone else, rather than because they think they will grace their first team. It stinks. It stinks of the suit’s the money men, those who don’t give a care in the world about fans, who would be quite happy if lower Leagues disappeared altogether and were replaced by feeder clubs, or better still sponsored behind closed door stadiums, to be used for the big boys Academies. That could be shown on their own TV channel. Far more sanitary and cost effective than actually having to deal with FANS.

I really hope that Carlisle United has not voted for this proposal. This steps on our dreams. The dreams of walking down Wembley Way, that many thought not possible. Our dreams fulfilled, holding up the Cup at Wembly’s old and new. We won the cup, we were the best of the lower Leagues in a real National competition. Not a bastardised piece of Premiership appeasement, a proper cup.

Couldn't have said it better myself Bumble. I won't be attending any of those games and if my club have voted in favour I'll be utterly ashamed of them.

Wouldn't take be funny if none of the prem teams took up their invitation to join the competition

So the FA will have further alienated league fans with no gain.

I would hope that CUSAT will confirm that they will not be running any buses to these "away" games and I'd hope the die hards that go to every game will make exceptions in this case.

Arabblue wrote:
£1 million divided by the 64 clubs entered gives an average figure of just over £15,000. That's less than the gate money from one home game. In fact most will receive far less of the Premier League money than this with the bigger prize money going to those which progress furthest.

It's supposedly done to help the Premier League and the England team.
How many players from our League play England Internationals? Why does the Premier League, with all their money and resources need help from the Football League?.

It's more about the blazers involved at the FA and Football League than anything else.

Flatcap wrote:
Interesting to look at the current England squad and see how many of them started their careers at FL level...

Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster*, Joe Hart (Shrewsbury Town), Tom Heaton*.

Defenders: Ryan Betrand*, Gary Cahill*, Nathaniel Clyne (Crystal Palace), Danny Rose (Leeds United), Chris Smalling (Maidstone United), John Stones (Barnsley), Kyle Walker (Sheffield United)

Midfielders: Dele Alli (MK Dons), Ross Barkley**, Eric Dier, Jordan Henderson**, Adam Lallana (Southampton), James Milner**, Raheem Sterling, Jack Wilshere.

Forwards: Harry Kane*, Marcus Rashford, Wayne Rooney, Daniel Sturridge, Jamie Vardy (Stocksbridge Park Steels)

Shows that a decent number of the England squad started their careers at clubs in either the Football League or below. The ones with one * made their professional debuts in loan spells at FL clubs, while the two ** had loan spells at FL clubs at some point.

A relistic world where £1.95m isnt a lot shared between 64 clubs.

Port Vale now confirmed as having voted against. That's 6 - suggestion is there was only 6 out of the 48 now.

MerseysideBlue wrote:
If they really want to help the development of young English players they should stop their clubs signing so many bloody foreigners or at least encourage them not to like say a £100k levy on each non British player to be paid into a fund to be divided out between the FL clubs at the end of each season. Thereby killing 2 birds with one stone.

MerseysideBlue wrote:
They may of voted NO but i.m not sure why Luton did given their comments afterwards

Quite clearly a bit of electioneering.

How can clubs who are not in the EFL compete for the EFL trophy?

There must have been a big piss up on the previous night in Portugal when they voted this through!

Its all about them shitting themselves because they havnt got off their arses and found a new title sponsor after Jonstones announced that they wouldnt be renewing.

The proposal is bad for us as we have a successful history in the competition and generally we take it seriously. However for smaller clubs like Stevenage it would be good news as they wouldn't be losing anything and they could play young Arsenal and Tottenham teams attracting good crowds.

I don't think it is a first step towards allowing 'B' teams in the League and probably something has to be done to increase interest in the EFL Trophy.

The whole idea is sickening and a message of fk you fans ... i will not be attending any games if this is going ahead. Wrong in every way.

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This will decrease interest in the EFL Trophy.

Spurs and Arsenal's youth teams are not going to have fans flocking down on a midweek night.

Just wrong another selfish move by the greed powered Premier league.

Another step into introducing B Teams in the League structure which would kill the best and strongest structure of Football in the World.

Turkeys voting for Christmas but all they see is cash. I'm another who will not be attending any of these games.

crunchblue wrote:
Maybe Stevenage is an unusual exception as despite being Hertfordshire, the area is very 'North London'. I can see either of the North London clubs attracting a lot of families as the kids' first chance to see Arsenal or Spurs play at their local ground. As it is just down the road from me, I wouldn't mind going as a neutral for a tenner.

What we don't like is the thought of all the local kids turning up in their replica shirts with their parents if we were to play Liverpool or Man U. This is probably where the idea is most pernicious. It gives the Premier League clubs a way of promoting its brand and creating its next generation of supporters outside natural catchment areas. I became a Carlisle fan after seeing them play in a local friendly as a 10 year-old. It didn't matter that it wasn't the first team. It was still a chance to see my team where I lived. I think if you had Arsenal U20's playing in Yeovil on a Tuesday night you'd have families travelling from as far as Bristol to give their kids a chance to wear their Arsenal shirts at a real game.

I can understand why the Premier League wants this but it does nothing for building support for the lower league clubs.

Couldnt care less about the prem development whatever part of country its in.... its disgusting ..fans do not want this at all. If its time for fans to unite to make a stance now is the time on the outrageous issue.

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markredfox73 wrote:
If they are that bothered about developing home grown players, why don't they try the revolutionary idea of actually playing them in their first teams? Instead of paying £20million for a 19yr old French kid.

Why do we have to suffer because they want to develop their players? it's the premier league clubs problems, why should the football league have to be the ones providing the solution?

It's shit. Really shit.

Couldn't agree more with some of the sentiments on here.
This competition has got sod all to do with the tarts from the premiership, this is OUR Trophy a real chance for all lower division sides to get to a cup final on an equal basis.
And despite what I have previously said about boycotting games I would seriously think about NOT going if we get drawn against any bloody Academy team from the Premiership.
Sorry but this absolutely STINKS!!

Our club votes in favour. That's a few quid saved then. I won't be attending now. Disgraceful.

I won't be going either

carwash wrote:
Well put, and unfortunately at BP - it will be young kids (and fully grown men) turning up in their replica Man U shirt. I dread to think if we lost to a Man U or Liverpool, the annoying, cocky stick we'd get from glory hunters in Carlisle. 'You can't even beat our academy!'

crunchblue wrote:
I think reading this has almost made me look at it from a complete other angle.

Does Port Vale, Accrington, Morecambe, Chesterfield etc bring the crowds flocking down Warwick Road on a Tuesday night for a piss pot trophy? We got just under 3k for R1 at home to Chesterfield this season, which is probably inflated if your first league game of the season is away.

Is there genuinely much interest in the competition before you get to the regional semi final?

We have a massive affinity with this competition, more so than any other club, but still do you genuinely get excited about the first couple of rounds?

At first sight this is a sickening thing to do, and I will not be attending any games this year in this competition. But then what if we get Sunderland away (not far away from where I live), and tickets are a tenner?

Absolutely no way should the idea of putting them in the league pyramid be entertained, but this competition isn't exactly thriving. The Football League is as strong as it has ever been, crowds are still very good all the way down the leagues, so nothing has to change there. But a competition that none of us care about until the latter stages getting a bit of a shake up?

I look forward to the JPT every season as the only cup we could realistically win. It's untrue to say no one cares until the later rounds.

sirjimmyglass wrote:
Its not thriving, no - you're right, but is it THAT broken that you have to alienate 90% of League 1 and 2 fans? The northern area finals, and finals at Wembley are great. Okay, Wembley may not be full - but my memories against Birmingham (age 5), then a win at Colchester, then finals right up to Brentford, have been some of the best ones for me as a Carlisle fan.

If we got to the final this year, to play Wolves U21, I'm not sure I'd even want to go. In fact, even if it was Aresnal or Man U who may even sell their allocation - I'd much rather we played a Leyton Orient, a Gillingham or a Swindon, knowing it was as big of a day out to their fans as it is to ours.

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea is a grade A c**t. Simple as that.

If you think this is anything less than a foot in the door for B teams to eventually join the football league then you're in denial.

If/when that day happens, English football is f***ed completely.

Absolutely right, I'd not have any interest in seeing a final with the reserves of a Premier League team in it. I don't agree with them doing this, and I'm ashamed of the club for voting for it, but I can see why the idea has been entertained.

Sadly football clubs are not about representing their supporters anymore. One conversation with a cross section of our fans would tell you that this is not what we, or the fans of any other club around us want.

They should replace the name Carlisle United with John Nixon in that press release. All about him feathering his own nest and climbing the greasy F.A pole.

I hope there's a widespread boycott in the games involving these 'B' teams and would any 'supporter' of these so called big clubs be bothered how their 'B' teams are doing anyways. I bet the majority couldn't tell you where their respective youth teams finished in their league this season.

This isn't about boosting attendances, or developing young talent. It's about TV viewing figures and literally no one watches efl trophy games on TV.

We should treat this plan with the contempt it deserves and play our B team when up against the Premiershit B teams.... at least that way we'd get a few competitive reserve games.

I guarantee our set of clowns voted in favour of this idiotic plan. I for one will never ever watch my team playing a B team, whether that is in this cup or in the league. If we are forced to play against them then I hope our players kick seven bells of sh1te out of the starlets until the Premier league teams see that it is a bad idea.

I wonder how many fans would be at the Wembley final if it were between let's say Swansea U20s and Burnley U20s. Not many, I'll bet. I wouldn't anticipate many fans of the bigger clubs being bothered with this competition in the slightest. Look how many clubs that get into Europe get poor gates for their first team against continental opposition.

However, if its true that these youth teams cant get past the group stages, well, what is the point of it all? Just extra and totally pointless matches for the league teams in an already very full season

bluestblue wrote:
The point is it's a foot in the door for the B teams to enter the football league.

When the plans were originally put forward, they were widely rejected by most. So they've gone for the long game now, they'll get in the FL trophy, then the "whole game solution" will be voted in, making an extra 8 places and a new League 3. I think that vote is taking place next year? And I wonder who the extra 8 places would be taken by....

A full boycott of the whole competition this season is needed to prove a point from.all.fans around the country...

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markredfox73 wrote:
I was thinking of boycotting the whole thing, but then I was thinking maybe boycotting only the B team fixtures would send a more powerful message.

E.g if say 3,000 turned up for Carlisle v Rochdale, then 2 weeks later 400 turned up for Carlisle v Sunderland B. Would that not send out a message that it's the B teams we hate, not the competition.

Think this was posted before, if you havent seen it, here's a petition doing the rounds

www.change.org/p/the-head-of-the-efl-aba...efl-trophy-proposals

bluestblue wrote:
Liverpool have said they.ll wait to see the final proposals but that they are almost certain NOT to take part.

bejustandfearprokas wrote:
And heres the sanctimonious reply the the lad got from the FL Today

www.change.org/p/the-head-of-the-efl-aba...ate&utm;_medium=email

I don't understand how they can possibly think this will increase attendances.

crunchblue wrote: It's down to us fans to PROVE that it won't improve attendances.

thefoot wrote:
Your talking about real fans in the stadium though. What would pull the bigger TV crowd. Carlisle v Accrington or Carlisle v Man Utd B? Id go with the latter and thats prob what theyre bothered about.

crunchblue wrote:
If they really want to do somthing for the lower two leagues then create a merit pot with a prize pot of say a million pounds winner picking up 500k down to 5k for 10th where points are awarded for attendances, away attendances goals scored, clean sheets,no bookings,no sending of runs etc etc for most of the clubs 500k would be a club changing amount.and therefore worth trying to win.

But if they want to increase attendances in the early rounds then just make it free to attend and then send a ticket to every secondary school kid in the county and let the FA pay the match expenses under one of their hair brained schemes for recruiting the under 16.s

Or how about exemption to the 3rd round of the FA Cup for the teams who win the groups

Oh i forgot they can fu*ck about with our competitions but you try suggesting messing about with one of theirs.and they wont want to know.