TOPIC: Morecambe

Can't pay wages apparently.

Must have cocked up budget WISE.

Massive shame if it all goes wrong for them. The perils of grabbing foreign investment I suppose, but hopefully it will sort itself out.

I always enjoy our trips to Morecambe and they have looked after us in the past when we were flooded.

I had heard things were pretty desperate at the end of last season, just hope they haven't thrown themselves at the the first potential investor without doing all the checks.

I still feel slightly embarrassed we are in the same league as them!

Thought they'd recently been taken over by someone from overseas who was going to put a bit of money in.

Just shows you've got to be careful what you wish for when it comes to being taken over by someone no one's ever heard of.

From what i.m told the problem isnt so much with the foreign investors but with the previous lot all clamouring to get back what they think theyre owed.

But as people have said be careful what you wish for and i bet the Morecambe fans wish they hadnt let a load of bandwagon jumpers piss Peter Marsden off when they had an owner who cared about the club and more importantly its fans and who given time would have found them a great new owner rather than just falling at the feet of the first bloke who comes along claiming to have a few million to invest.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:
Sounds like you have come round to accepting and endorsing Jenkins and co!

crunchblue wrote:
Always said it.......hope they sort it out.

At least we boosted hopefully the wage budget the other week.

You are on a hiding to nothing if you think that you can buy/get given a football club and make any money from it, Jenkins seems a bit miffed that he has had to prop up his rich mans play thing with cash and has the cheek to ask for his coin back!

munchymagic wrote:
Red Bull Leipzig, Hoffenheim - 2nd and 3rd in the Bundesliga - both bought when miles further down pyramid and now with great Managers. Can be done when people who are good at business are behind it all, people are in a bloody dream world if they think people exist in great numbers who are willing to invest simply for the love of the Club and not give a toss if they profit from it.

Richard Archer wrote:
Oh I imagine everyone who goes into buying a club believes that it is a money spinning venture and that they will be successful with it but the percentage of owners who lose money to those who gain must be massive but there have been loads of crooks who have gained I guess.

I would be at least fifteen million quid down if I came into loads of money and bought the club with doing up Brunton Park - I definitely would never see that money ever again and wouldn't want to

Get that lottery on munchy

munchymagic wrote:
The point is there is a right and wrong way to do it and people seem to have a serious issue with those who do it the right way and run it like a business. It's hard to not upset people by breaking tradition but there are decent ways to do this - such as RB Leipzig (apart from renaming the bloody Club of course)/Hoffenheim/Stoke and also bad ways - West Ham it seems. One issue is renaming of Stadiums, in my opinion if a Stadium gets a sponsor but it means fans get in cheaper it is a good thing but if not then its giving nothing at all back to the fans and local area.

munchymagic wrote:
I agree totally. If I came into big money either through luck or hard work id happily spend many millions on united and wouldn't expect a penny back. If it was a huge amount, I'd give us a stadium to be proud of to last well after I'd popped my clogs.

That is the difference maybe - people who have earned their millions have probably done it by being good at business whereas people who have became rich through good fortune are far dafter with their money I guess.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Peter Marsden was the Chairman at Accrington, nothing to do with Morecambe. He is now the Chairman at Wealdstone.

If I earned 50 million through my own enterprise, I wouldn't want to give half of it away, so that footballers can spend it in lap dancing clubs and gambling.
i wouldn't want to think I was just lining someone else pockets.
I wouldn't want people like Greg Abbott or Billy Paynter to get a penny of my money.
I would be pissed off when I heard criticism and would then probably throw my toys out the pram and want my money back.

moose wrote:
I think he meant Peter McGuigan to be honest.

Is a statement here:

www.morecambefc.com/news/article/2016-17...ll-club-3401207.aspx

whytakemypostcode wrote:
No exactly the opposite really to me there is only one answer to ownership of clubs below championship level and that has to be the fans

The days of the butcher the baker or the local pie maker are gone for good and unless you get really lucky and find a guy like Bristol Rovers did your left with 2 options the first idiots with a bag of cash who come along or a cobbled together bid of local businessmen who either want the shares or the power and kudos and are quite happy to milch 10k out of their companies and become presidents but you try getting them to put 75k up and committ to 25k a year for the good of the community and its club they run a mile unless theres some of them free shares going of course.

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Richard Archer wrote:
Aye dont know where that one came from Moose but RA is right it was Peter McGuigan i meant he was for a long time the head honcho at Umbro.

Richard Archer wrote:
Both of those teams have had significant amounts of investment from their owners to get them to the stage they are at though haven't they ?

Hoffenheim are bankrolled my a supporter in Hopp who has invested £250m and are based in a village with a population that could fit in their stadium 10 times over.

DeckchairBlue wrote:
Did anyone say they hadn't had significant investment? Karlsruhr didn't want Hopp - look at where they are compared to Hoffenheim. RB are probably going to go joint top tomorrow and be in the CL next season, they have a squad full of young players - I bet you haven't heard of hardly any of them. Hasn't been a case of buying proven players on hepped up salaries, carefully selected players with potential.

Have a read up on Hopp - you might be surprised what he has done for charity. Far more important things in his life than his Football Club.

Faceless consortiums seem to lose more money these days rather than an individual like say Jack Walker.

As you say DB, loads of money ploughed in - a lot offset I guess by sponsorship.

Richard Archer wrote:
"people are in a bloody dream world if they think people exist in great numbers who are willing to invest simply for the love of the Club and not give a toss if they profit from it." Simply pointing out that one of the clubs you used as an example are backed by a guy who has thrown money at them.

Your right I wouldn't have heard of many of them, mainly because I don't follow European football that much.

DeckchairBlue wrote:
Do you think many exist? He also is pretty astute, good and bad ways to try and make money from Football fans at the end of the day and Hoffenheim have done pretty well so far since he got involved.

You would expect to have heard of some players though at a Club heading for the CL from a major league but most have been bought with what they could do rather than what they have done in mind - can't say the same can be said for other Clubs expected to qualify for next seasons CL from the top leagues. Many are German as well - not foreign.

True, not many outside of the Arabs and Oligarch's.

Still spent £40m+ this summer which is a fair bit for a newly promoted team surely ?

Nice to see they are promoting youth though after a few years of chucking money to it to get to this point.

Many fans in Germany, including the DFL, see them as everything that's wrong with football don't they ?

DeckchairBlue wrote:
Not really a massive amount, Newcastle spent similar over the summer.

Better youth set up than Bayern, have a look how many Bayern players have came through the youth system last 5 years - next to none.

Plenty of articles on it all on the net, been through it with loads of folk. Think you need to know how bad things were in Leipzig for folk watching Football to understand it personally - neo nazis and all this. Trendy to have a pop at them even from England where most people will never have the social issues a City like Leipzig has.

If a major company/backer were willing to come to a place like Carlisle and put it on the map Football wise I would be all for it me. Just getting folk in for under 10 quid would be a huge positive these days.

Richard Archer wrote:
Growing trend among 'big' clubs isn't it. Much easier to let smaller clubs do the work and buy their products than make your own.

Undoubtedly it's been a success for the club and the little I've read around it its been good for the city too, massive city not to have had a decent team to support in a long time isn't it.

Absolutely I'd back them, not sure I'd be in support of a name change though.

DeckchairBlue wrote:
Aye that is pretty much the only part of it I oppose, the replica kits aren't good either to be fair but if a little lad can go Football and not see his Dad threatened or a match called off in the middle due to racism or whatever I am all for it.

Hopp wanted to merge 3 Clubs together like - I disagree with that. Just wanted Bundesliga Football for that area. He also set up some charity and gave 60% (I think) of his wealth to it to form a foundation or something.

Yeah team kits are just indentakits with the other teams they own aren't they. Purely and simply a brand building exercise organised at RedBull HQ than anything to do with the clubs.

Read that the DFL threatened to refuse them a licence if they didn't redesign their badge to make it less like the Red Bull crest.

DeckchairBlue wrote:
Ha ha, aye they take the piss on some fronts. Have a look at that lad Bernado - he is from Brazil and has only ever played for Red Bull Clubs! He may well be from a slum though so I doubt he is too bothered.

Nothing wrong with a bit if sly people trafficking.

Looked him up, son of the a bloke who played 5 times for Brazil in the 80s

Their best player gone.

www.morecambefc.com/news/article/2016-17...khuizen-3408529.aspx

crunchblue wrote:
And in very suspicious circumstances

Rumour is they have allowed Morecambe to cancel his contract meaning he can no longer play for them He has signed for Nob End who will pay his wages from today but wont be able to play for them till January in exchange for the down payment being used to pay the wage bill they couldn't pay last week.

Just to be clear, McGuigan would fall into Steve Patt's dictionary definition of not having a pot to piss in. People have been silently pouring money in to prop the club up for a good while now. So not really that they pissed him off, more that he couldn't carry on whether he wanted to or not

Won't exist soon I have been told today:

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38366843?ns...ok&ns;_linkname=sport

Bumble wrote:
Why is this happening over and over with foreign owners...look at Hearts ,they were in the same boat with the Lithuanians or whoever they were!

Shame if that did happen, we moan at just under five thousand on the gate, theirs is probably akin to Barrow's gates.

Not getting this fair play thing as in if say they get gates of one and a half thousand then surely that isn't enough and are they forced to play youth players - also even if this Brazilian bloke was minted then would it be a waste of his time as he is not allowed to spend it?

Bet Devitt and Miller are glad they signed for us......sad state of affairs indeed

This is the other end to the success stories of the small clubs getting to what is for them a vey high league position.Fleetwood and Burton are other clubs that have done remarkable but can they sustain a football club in the leagues they are in on gates they get. Wigan made it work with Wheelens millions although they are struggling now.Bournmouth is another succes story but how long can they survive in the top division,they are just as likely to do a Blackpool and tumble down the leagues as remain in the Premiership,
We had the chance to go into the Championship and blew it ,rumours at the time where that we did it on purpose ,one thing that is correct is that Story bailed out almost immediately.He obviously new that to sustain a championship club he would need to invest heavily ,he also new that the the support would soon dwindle if the succes we had didn't continue.
The year we had in the top division was unbelievable,as Shankley said " it's the greatest achivment in Enlglish football a city the size of Carlisle reaching the 1st division.

Talking about Shankly:

books.google.co.uk/books?id=RTZA4iaEoKYC...#v=onepage&q;&f;=false

Also, interesting post on Shrimpsvoices on L2 finances:

giraffe.arvixe.com/~iomkeith/shrimpsvoic...opic.php?f=1&t;=22077

Richard Archer wrote:
Plymouth and Pompey will benefit if they don't see the season out. The other 4 teams in the top 6 will lose 3 points.

Think closer to 2018 than 2016 mind.

Bloody hell, thought you meant next couple of month not next couple of year!

More rumblings: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38392407

This is what I am frightened will happen to CU......this guy buys the majority shareholding from McGiggan, less than 3 months ago......who remains as Chairman......now the new "owner" goes incommunicado and no money to run the club by the sounds of it.........very worrying to any right minded person

Jenkins would have us believe that this is what would have happened to us had he sold to Laffy which as we all know is complete clart.