Possible Attack in London

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147014

This is getting silly.

Yep and its not gonna get any better

I'm so angry right now. Who the [censored] do these people think they are?
What we're doing now, its obviously not working.
Any terror related incident should be considered treason and they should re instate capital punishment for it and it should be allowed to be retrospectively applied.
Those two pices of shit that murdered Rigby, and I hope they've doing seriously hard time, the should just be lined up and shot.
And it's not supposed to be a deterrent.

They should ban all British nationals from travelling to Syria, Libya etc. Unless they've got a damn good reason.

Do you think it's as simple as booking a flight to Tripoli or Aleppo ?

Fact is, as much as we will try, it's almost impossible to completely stop random attacks like this, we struggled when it was the IRA too

6 dead, 30 injured.

plus, 3 terrorists dead, apparently the Police had shot them dead within 8 minutes of this whole tragedy began. Well done to our Police.

The one who blew up the concert was in contact with the British military and was encouraged to go to Libya and Syria because he was a moderate terrorist according to his brother and sister. Maybe time for Boris to say we're not going to do this shit any more? Poor people, I would expect more attacks leading up to the election as well

Why do people write "Pray for London" on social media?

I dont think itll stop after the election either.

Forgive my ignorance but what exactly do these extremists expect to achieve at the end of the day. What other than getting to their paradise or whatever they call it do they hope that they will end up with.

They achieve very little , if there is a heaven or what ever the Muslim heaven is they don't go there .

The idea of terrorism is basic create fear and separation in society to hope we start fighting with ourselves. Looking by the how were pulling together they've failed, but the sad thing is innocent keep dying because of the actions of the minority of Muslims twisting the teaching of a book written thousands of years ago, we need to kill this at the source find the preachers and lock then away in a dark cell with no light, the reason I don't believe in killing these scum is the second they die they become martyr, these people don't no deserve this the deserve to be taking away from any light to show that if there is a god they have deserted them

pacirv wrote: Forgive my ignorance but what exactly do these extremists expect to achieve at the end of the day. What other than getting to their paradise or whatever they call it do they hope that they will end up with.

I agree, the IRA had a pretty clear aim, a united Ireland. These lot? I have no idea! Do they want an islamist world? They can feck off with that idea!

Deckchairblue, no I don't think any single measure will fix the problem, but every little bit helps.

The worrying thing is this one was obviously quite spontaneous, a very simple plan, hire a van and get some knives. There's obviously a lot of pissed off extremists knocking about and these attacks can come from anywhere and from people who have never been in any kind of trouble.

Personally, I think they're impossible to stop. Sad.

They hate all non Muslims ( non believers) and hate our way of life. Their stated goal is to have the Islamic flag flying in Downing st. Don't think it will ever stop now, how many more of them are there in this country prepaired to commit such attrocities and crucially how many Muslims are sympathetic to their cause.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40148737

Enough is enough, says PM after terror attack

Speaking in Downing Street after a meeting of the government's emergency Cobra committee, the prime minister said the country "cannot and must not pretend that things can continue as they are". "We believe we are experiencing a new trend in the threat we face as terrorism breeds terrorism," she said. Mrs May promised to step up efforts to combat Islamist ideology and work with other countries to prevent the internet being a "safe space" for terrorists. She said there was "too much tolerance of extremism in our country" and while it would involve "some difficult and embarrassing conversations", that must change.





www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/...blished-saudi-arabia

'Sensitive' UK terror funding inquiry may never be published

Investigation into foreign funding and support of jihadi groups operating in UK understood to focus on Saudi Arabia

An investigation into the foreign funding and support of jihadi groups that was authorised by David Cameron may never be published, the Home Office has admitted.

The inquiry into revenue streams for extremist groups operating in the UK was commissioned by the former prime minister and is thought to focus on Saudi Arabia, which has repeatedly been highlighted by European leaders as a funding source for Islamist jihadis.

The investigation was launched as part of a deal with the Liberal Democrats in exchange for the party supporting the extension of British airstrikes against Islamic State into Syria in December 2015.

Tom Brake, the Lib Dem foreign affairs spokesman, has written to the prime minister asking her to confirm that the investigation will not be shelved.

The Observer reported in January last year that the Home Office’s extremism analysis unit had been directed by Downing Street to investigate overseas funding of extremist groups in the UK, with findings to be shown to Theresa May, then home secretary, and Cameron.

However, 18 months later, the Home Office confirmed the report had not yet been completed and said it would not necessarily be published, calling the contents “very sensitive”.

A decision would be taken “after the election by the next government” about the future of the investigation, a Home Office spokesman said.

In his letter to May, Brake wrote: “As home secretary at the time, your department was one of those leading on the report. Eighteen months later, and following two horrific terrorist attacks by British-born citizens, that report still remains incomplete and unpublished.

“It is no secret that Saudi Arabia in particular provides funding to hundreds of mosques in the UK, espousing a very hardline Wahhabist interpretation of Islam. It is often in these institutions that British extremism takes root.”

The contents of the report may prove politically as well as legally sensitive. Saudi Arabia, which has been a funding source for fundamentalist Islamist preachers and mosques, was visited by May earlier this year.

Last December, a leaked report from Germany’s federal intelligence service accused several Gulf groups of funding religious schools and radical Salafist preachers in mosques, calling it “a long-term strategy of influence”.

The Lib Dem leader, Tim Farron, said he felt the government had not held up its side of the bargain made ahead of the vote on airstrikes. The report must be published when it was completed, he insisted, despite the Home Office caution that information in the document would be sensitive.

“That short-sighted approach needs to change. It is critical that these extreme, hardline views are confronted head on, and that those who fund them are called out publicly,” he said.

“If the Conservatives are serious about stopping terrorism on our shores, they must stop stalling and reopen investigation into foreign funding of violent extremism in the UK.”





"too much tolerance of extremism in our country"

cufcaussiebranch wrote: Deckchairblue, no I don't think any single measure will fix the problem, but every little bit helps.

The worrying thing is this one was obviously quite spontaneous, a very simple plan, hire a van and get some knives. There's obviously a lot of pissed off extremists knocking about and these attacks can come from anywhere and from people who have never been in any kind of trouble.

Personally, I think they're impossible to stop. Sad.

I know one action that will definitely fix the problem

No Muslims in the country No attacks in the country pretty simple really

The only way to ever tackle this (and even then it will never truly solve it) is through education. The attitudes of people now won't change so you have got to work on the problem long term. How you deal with those lost in society now is a different matter.
I teach in a school with 95% non white British children. They are like any other children - fun loving, kind, hard working and decent but they are little sponges and will take on what they have heard or are told and, the sad thing is - due to the culture they are brought up in - the two hours of daily mosque time is considered more important to the families than school.
Within this time, they are painted a view of the world that is blinkered and one sided.
They come to school with attitudes (aside from the doctrines) that are false and dangerous e.g. all white people are christians, only Muslims will go to heaven or its equivalent, girls can't go here or there or do certain things in society and many many more.
When I tell them I'm not a Christian they can't understand it. I am and that's that.
I don't even think the imans in the mosque understand what they are saying - they don't have to be qualified or educated themselves to take on that role unlike a priest or vicar. Not that they have a better take on the world themselves as they are clouded by more religious intolerance too.
The children have these ingrained beliefs that, as anyone knows who attended a church school, is hard to shake off.
Add that to a mental instability and you have the potential to be a terrorist.
Education is the long term answer. Short term is more frightening.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

cufcaussiebranch wrote: Deckchairblue, no I don't think any single measure will fix the problem, but every little bit helps.

The worrying thing is this one was obviously quite spontaneous, a very simple plan, hire a van and get some knives. There's obviously a lot of pissed off extremists knocking about and these attacks can come from anywhere and from people who have never been in any kind of trouble.

Personally, I think they're impossible to stop. Sad.

I know one action that will definitely fix the problem

No Muslims in the country No attacks in the country pretty simple really

Yeh, just attacks outside the country on british tourists instead, like tunisia and bali. Problem sorted.

The shoot to kill job worked with the [censored]... can they also shoot sadiq khan for his fuckwit comments about being a safe city...

Left the guard down on this in my view on terrorist alerts.. there has been to much focus on a needless concert in manchester...easy pickings for the sick gets to kill again elsewhere.

We have become to soft. Zero tolerance must be used from now on. If they can track a known football hooligan they can do it with these extremists surely???

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If they can track a known football hooligan they can do it with these extremists surely???

You wouldn't be hard to find in Maryport to be fair.

pacirv wrote: Forgive my ignorance but what exactly do these extremists expect to achieve at the end of the day. What other than getting to their paradise or whatever they call it do they hope that they will end up with.

What does Boris Johnson want to achieve bombing Syria? They've been at it a few years now, anyone's life better because of it? Over a billion spent.




Jeremy Hunt has said the NHS has 150 unnecessary deaths a week. Over 5 years that is 39000 people. Perhaps if the Government wants to defend its people it could focus on that rather than Syria. Just a thought

Massive problem in jails with radicalisation once caught these individuals are left to mix with others preaching their vile ways recruiting and spreading like cancer
When convicted Tact prisoners should be isolated in special accommodation in segregation units and barred from any religious contact make it impossible to spread their views

You'd get some leftard lawyer arguing about human rights.

Whats the point of isolating prisoners with radical views if we a quite happy to let Saudi Arabia set up who knows how many mosques and schools where anyone off the street can go and listen to these ideas being taught/preached freely?

Dont worry everything will carry on as normal.They will praise the police , light a few candles then sing a few songs put down a few flowers and balloons and then nothing will be done about it.You wont be able to say anything about them you will be classed as a racist , there human rights seem more important than the children they are killing.This is a reflection of the soft arsed country we now live in its time for these liberal types to open there eyes.They protested about Trump and Brexit but no sign of them after what happened in Cologne and Rotherham they will not mention anything against these terrorist attacks poor snowflakes or whatever you call them.They are a bigger problem to the safety of the world than Trump or Putin with there soft arsed views.

You are an intelligent man Barry and you have no need, and know better than, to propose daft "solutions".

What is the response e.g. to those who say longer custodial sentences how is that going to deter people who are prepared to die?

I guess we must work very closely with vast majority of decent law abiding moslems to root out the evil ones and deal with them as appropriate. Now I don't know what appropriate might be.

We must be firm; respect the believes of the adherents to Islam, but get rid of this crazy pc attitude of being terrified to maintain our own values and ceremonies. Respect must be mutual. e.g anyone in a decision making capacity who suggests that we cannot celebrate christian festivals should be immediately relieved ofhis / her job, and anyone who suggests that a moslem woman cannot wear her traditional garb should suffer the same fate.

Anyone who is suspected of being a terrorist threat should be targetted and the authorities should not wait until they commit an act of terrorism.

By the way Markovitch - how does one define a moderate terrorist??

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

cufcaussiebranch wrote: Deckchairblue, no I don't think any single measure will fix the problem, but every little bit helps.

The worrying thing is this one was obviously quite spontaneous, a very simple plan, hire a van and get some knives. There's obviously a lot of pissed off extremists knocking about and these attacks can come from anywhere and from people who have never been in any kind of trouble.

Personally, I think they're impossible to stop. Sad.

I know one action that will definitely fix the problem

No Muslims in the country No attacks in the country pretty simple really

I don't want to tempt fate but the only positive out the London attacks is the terrorists haven't had firearms so I would assume they struggle to get hold of them without being picked up.

Very true. The difference between Paris and London is our anti gun laws. On a related note, I really hope this doesn't change the fact police are unarmed. Such a good thing in this country that we dont need police to carry guns and it would be very sad if attacks changed that. Id also say an 8 minute response time from the armed police is incredible even for central London. Great job,

We were stopping in London 2 miles from London Bridge last night.

Sadly a French couple who were stopping at our hotel were unaccounted for this morning, thoughts should be with those today!

We were safe and heard gun shots. The speed of the police must be congratulated!

pacirv wrote: Forgive my ignorance but what exactly do these extremists expect to achieve at the end of the day. What other than getting to their paradise or whatever they call it do they hope that they will end up with.

No hopers or as Trump said Losers in Life

BlueAl wrote: They hate all non Muslims ( non believers) and hate our way of life. Their stated goal is to have the Islamic flag flying in Downing st. Don't think it will ever stop now, how many more of them are there in this country prepaired to commit such attrocities and crucially how many Muslims are sympathetic to their cause.

Moderate Muslims and so called Community Leaders need to have a louder public voice and the press and TV need to quote them and get them higher profile out there in areas where Muslims live ....they (good Muslim people) need to report more to the authorities when they suspect someone is no good.

Alan wrote: I don't want to tempt fate but the only positive out the London attacks is the terrorists haven't had firearms so I would assume they struggle to get hold of them without being picked up.

Obviously they didn't fancy reaching paradise in a thousand pieces ...fake suicide belts I ask you......shooting them is too good an end I'm afraid

orfc wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

cufcaussiebranch wrote: Deckchairblue, no I don't think any single measure will fix the problem, but every little bit helps.

The worrying thing is this one was obviously quite spontaneous, a very simple plan, hire a van and get some knives. There's obviously a lot of pissed off extremists knocking about and these attacks can come from anywhere and from people who have never been in any kind of trouble.

Personally, I think they're impossible to stop. Sad.

I know one action that will definitely fix the problem

No Muslims in the country No attacks in the country pretty simple really

Yeh, just attacks outside the country on british tourists instead, like tunisia and bali. Problem sorted.

Well as i have no intention of visiting Tunisia or Bali i couldnt give a shit

The countrys that want our tourism money would soon follow suit

The sooner uncle Donald gets the ball rolling the better and one things for sure the good old US of A wouldnt be sat on its arse doing nothing if theyd been attacked 3 times in 3 months.

And you can be sure that Donald would have that idiot mayor out on his arse by now as well but what do you expect when give them votes and let them elect their own.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

orfc wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

cufcaussiebranch wrote: Deckchairblue, no I don't think any single measure will fix the problem, but every little bit helps.

The worrying thing is this one was obviously quite spontaneous, a very simple plan, hire a van and get some knives. There's obviously a lot of pissed off extremists knocking about and these attacks can come from anywhere and from people who have never been in any kind of trouble.

Personally, I think they're impossible to stop. Sad.

I know one action that will definitely fix the problem

No Muslims in the country No attacks in the country pretty simple really

Yeh, just attacks outside the country on british tourists instead, like tunisia and bali. Problem sorted.

Well as i have no intention of visiting Tunisia or Bali i couldnt give a shit

The countrys that want our tourism money would soon follow suit

The sooner uncle Donald gets the ball rolling the better and one things for sure the good old US of A wouldnt be sat on its arse doing nothing if theyd been attacked 3 times in 3 months.

And you can be sure that Donald would have that idiot mayor out on his arse by now as well but what do you expect when give them votes and let them elect their own.

Are you joking?! 57 terror attacks in the USA last year alone. Many more than 3 per month. Americans are just as toothless as us in this fight, as is the nature of the enemy.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

If you think responding by not allowing muslims into the country and increasing division and racial and religious hatred is the best way forward, then that speaks volumes for your level intelligence.

You don't plan on going to Bali or Tunisia so you don't give a shit? Can you imagine living in a world of Northernsouls...?!

Carlislefan wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

orfc wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

cufcaussiebranch wrote: Deckchairblue, no I don't think any single measure will fix the problem, but every little bit helps.

The worrying thing is this one was obviously quite spontaneous, a very simple plan, hire a van and get some knives. There's obviously a lot of pissed off extremists knocking about and these attacks can come from anywhere and from people who have never been in any kind of trouble.

Personally, I think they're impossible to stop. Sad.

I know one action that will definitely fix the problem

No Muslims in the country No attacks in the country pretty simple really

Yeh, just attacks outside the country on british tourists instead, like tunisia and bali. Problem sorted.

Well as i have no intention of visiting Tunisia or Bali i couldnt give a shit

The countrys that want our tourism money would soon follow suit

The sooner uncle Donald gets the ball rolling the better and one things for sure the good old US of A wouldnt be sat on its arse doing nothing if theyd been attacked 3 times in 3 months.

And you can be sure that Donald would have that idiot mayor out on his arse by now as well but what do you expect when give them votes and let them elect their own.

Are you joking?! 57 terror attacks in the USA last year alone. Many more than 3 per month. Americans are just as toothless as us in this fight, as is the nature of the enemy.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

If you think responding by not allowing muslims into the country and increasing division and racial and religious hatred is the best way forward, then that speaks volumes for your level intelligence.

You don't plan on going to Bali or Tunisia so you don't give a shit? Can you imagine living in a world of Northernsouls...?!

Yore missing the point if theyre not here there is no division and racial or religious hatred is there

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Carlislefan wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

orfc wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

cufcaussiebranch wrote: Deckchairblue, no I don't think any single measure will fix the problem, but every little bit helps.

The worrying thing is this one was obviously quite spontaneous, a very simple plan, hire a van and get some knives. There's obviously a lot of pissed off extremists knocking about and these attacks can come from anywhere and from people who have never been in any kind of trouble.

Personally, I think they're impossible to stop. Sad.

I know one action that will definitely fix the problem

No Muslims in the country No attacks in the country pretty simple really

Yeh, just attacks outside the country on british tourists instead, like tunisia and bali. Problem sorted.

Well as i have no intention of visiting Tunisia or Bali i couldnt give a shit

The countrys that want our tourism money would soon follow suit

The sooner uncle Donald gets the ball rolling the better and one things for sure the good old US of A wouldnt be sat on its arse doing nothing if theyd been attacked 3 times in 3 months.

And you can be sure that Donald would have that idiot mayor out on his arse by now as well but what do you expect when give them votes and let them elect their own.

Are you joking?! 57 terror attacks in the USA last year alone. Many more than 3 per month. Americans are just as toothless as us in this fight, as is the nature of the enemy.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

If you think responding by not allowing muslims into the country and increasing division and racial and religious hatred is the best way forward, then that speaks volumes for your level intelligence.

You don't plan on going to Bali or Tunisia so you don't give a shit? Can you imagine living in a world of Northernsouls...?!

Yore missing the point if theyre not here there is no division and racial or religious hatred is there

So further radicalisation caused by this division and hatred couldn't be caused? The radicalised couldn't attack uk nationals in France? Hijack aeroplanes and fly them into ours buildings? Radicalised sects couldn't become radicalised nations who have militaries of their own?

Carlislefan wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Carlislefan wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

orfc wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

cufcaussiebranch wrote: Deckchairblue, no I don't think any single measure will fix the problem, but every little bit helps.

The worrying thing is this one was obviously quite spontaneous, a very simple plan, hire a van and get some knives. There's obviously a lot of pissed off extremists knocking about and these attacks can come from anywhere and from people who have never been in any kind of trouble.

Personally, I think they're impossible to stop. Sad.

I know one action that will definitely fix the problem

No Muslims in the country No attacks in the country pretty simple really

Yeh, just attacks outside the country on british tourists instead, like tunisia and bali. Problem sorted.

Well as i have no intention of visiting Tunisia or Bali i couldnt give a shit

The countrys that want our tourism money would soon follow suit

The sooner uncle Donald gets the ball rolling the better and one things for sure the good old US of A wouldnt be sat on its arse doing nothing if theyd been attacked 3 times in 3 months.

And you can be sure that Donald would have that idiot mayor out on his arse by now as well but what do you expect when give them votes and let them elect their own.

Are you joking?! 57 terror attacks in the USA last year alone. Many more than 3 per month. Americans are just as toothless as us in this fight, as is the nature of the enemy.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

If you think responding by not allowing muslims into the country and increasing division and racial and religious hatred is the best way forward, then that speaks volumes for your level intelligence.

You don't plan on going to Bali or Tunisia so you don't give a shit? Can you imagine living in a world of Northernsouls...?!

Yore missing the point if theyre not here there is no division and racial or religious hatred is there

So further radicalisation caused by this division and hatred couldn't be caused? The radicalised couldn't attack uk nationals in France? Hijack aeroplanes and fly them into ours buildings? Radicalised sects couldn't become radicalised nations who have militaries of their own?

None of this shit when we had an Empire was there maybe we should start by taking back a few oil rich states that provide them with their funds.

So whats your answer then clever boy ? sit back while they kill more of our women and kids Not in my fuckin name we wont Therell be few Mosques burning tonite with a bit of luck

Problem is that there are too many followers of Islam not behaving in our country, if they don't start playing ball then there will be the obvious retaliation eventually - the decent Muslims should get their heads out of their arses and sort their own mess out instead of doing their normal thing which is to keep themselves to themselves.

munchymagic wrote: Problem is that there are too many followers of Islam not behaving in our country, if they don't start playing ball then there will be the obvious retaliation eventually - the decent Muslims should get their heads out of their arses and sort their own mess out instead of doing their normal thing which is to keep themselves to themselves.

The reality is that the above is very likely if there is an escalation in attacks, Northernsoul's suggestion that Mosques will be burning is not that unlikely. I also agree that the Muslim community has the best chance of stopping this problem getting worse, but do they really want to?

Bruntonpasty wrote:

munchymagic wrote: Problem is that there are too many followers of Islam not behaving in our country, if they don't start playing ball then there will be the obvious retaliation eventually - the decent Muslims should get their heads out of their arses and sort their own mess out instead of doing their normal thing which is to keep themselves to themselves.

The reality is that the above is very likely if there is an escalation in attacks, Northernsoul's suggestion that Mosques will be burning is not that unlikely. I also agree that the Muslim community has the best chance of stopping this problem getting worse, but do they really want to?

I read this decent post by a Muslim who hits the problem right on the head -






Yesterday, a solicitor called Abdul Sattar Khan from Rawtenstall who happens to be a Muslim, posted his thoughts on FB about the Manchester atrocity. It was a mind blowing post and authentic - not a hoax. Within 2 hours it had 61k likes and had been shared almost 80,000 times... including mine. Today that post has disappeared and so has Mr Khan's FB profile. Just in case you missed it, here it is again, copied and pasted from the original. It gave me hope. Have a read and if you like it then why not share...

Written by Abdul Sattar Khan.
I've never been one to mince my words and I don't intend to now:

We Muslims need to take a long hard look at ourselves and ask what are we actually contributing to this country in return for the hospitality we are offered?

Proclaiming that "Well, I'm in such and such a profession and also a Muslim" is of no value or significance. What we do as work is our job for the purposes of income. What have we benefited this country in the context of the faith that you and I proclaim to follow?

How much longer can we tolerate [censored] child rapists in Rochdale & Halifax ? Drug dealing "bros" ravaging communities from Birmingham to Burnley? Idiot drivers from Blackburn to Rusholme? And now [censored] suicide bombers - may their parents be eaten by pigs.

I think as a Muslim community we have come to a crossroads. We call ourselves religious but in practice we offer nothing of our faith to our hosts. Entire towns have become ghettos and communities from Batley to Bradford think it is acceptable to just live from cradle to the grave in the UK without any interaction with the wider community.

Until we love our English hosts as we proclaim to love each other we will always fail. Either we change how we live here and abandon our insular ways or else we can expect to be increasingly unwelcome.

As for the [censored] depraved scum who bomb children or prey on schoolgirls like those Rochdale taxi drivers.. I believe that every single member of their family should be immediately deported without trial or question. These depraved minds who can carry out such atrocities need to be made to think twice in their twisted minds that if they do what they plan, than every single member of their family will be deported without question.

I don't really care who I upset with this post. We, as Muslims have reached a crossroads. Either we love and embrace or we can start looking for property on Pakistan's and Bangladesh's version of Rightmove.

That's if the electricity there is working..

(Feel free to share)

London has a muslim Mayor and he has refused to condemn the extremism that abounds in mosques. Leadership should come from the top but sadly Sadiq Khan isn't up to the job.

The trouble is, while there are different interpretations and divisions within their own religion (as there is with christianity and other religions) , extremists will resort to violence in order to satisfy the big man in the clouds. And he must be a man because men made the whole thing up in the first place. But those who are not extremists and are 'normal Muslims' still hold strong and dangerous views towards non Muslims such as what should happen to us when we die and what and how we should speak/ dress/ behave.
Other views which are cultural but not religious blur the lines even more - how to treat women, which charities to give to, being allowed to sing/ dance/ gamble and drink etc.
Some do and some don't but what they preach and how they act don't tally either. Again, this is the same for any religion.

The British Muslim council and others need to be far clearer and stronger in their condemnation but they won't because they know deep down there is too much hypocrisy and heads in the sand. How can they condemn this when their interpretation is a watered down version of these idiots?

We live in a society where different cultures share towns and cities. We certainly don't live in a multi cultural society where everyone mixed and accepts each other. Our bloody PM and London mayor and others need to realise what life is really like out there and stop preaching sound bites to gain popularity and votes.

Amazes me how a lot of those who 'celebrate' diversity are the same ones who voted against Brexit.

The EU wants common currency, national anthem, armed services and a general homogenisation of the people of a continent.

How does that celebrate diversity.

Multiculturalism huh!
Diversity huh!
Where has it got us thanks to the liberal elite/ do gooding PC brigade.
Hope they are examining their consciences...... Sadly its too late I'd say

seesaw50 wrote: Multiculturalism huh!
Diversity huh!
Where has it got us thanks to the liberal elite/ do gooding PC brigade.
Hope they are examining their consciences...... Sadly its too late the genius is out the bottle

We hear loads about radicalised preachers coming into this country and spreading their bile, but what worries me almost as much is what is been taught in some of our schools and
universities. A lot of our younger generation seem to have a naivety beyond belief.

It isn't about kicking them all out it is more about not being scared to tackle their behaviour without being labelled racist.

Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

seesaw50 wrote: Multiculturalism huh!
Diversity huh!
Where has it got us thanks to the liberal elite/ do gooding PC brigade.
Hope they are examining their consciences...... Sadly its too late the genius is out the bottle

We hear loads about radicalised preachers coming into this country and spreading their bile, but what worries me almost as much is what is been taught in some of our schools and
universities. A lot of our younger generation seem to have a naivety beyond belief.

I totally agree

(And obviously Genie not genius)

Bruntonpasty wrote:

munchymagic wrote: Problem is that there are too many followers of Islam not behaving in our country, if they don't start playing ball then there will be the obvious retaliation eventually - the decent Muslims should get their heads out of their arses and sort their own mess out instead of doing their normal thing which is to keep themselves to themselves.

The reality is that the above is very likely if there is an escalation in attacks, Northernsoul's suggestion that Mosques will be burning is not that unlikely. I also agree that the Muslim community has the best chance of stopping this problem getting worse, but do they really want to?

Do they hell as like how many Imans have you seen dragging potential terrorist suspects into police stations today then ? I.ll tell you fu ckin none thats how many

Just checking twitter ...the Muslim Council of Britain @MCB have just tweeted a condemnation ..bout bloody time

And the Manchester Benefit concert has raised 9m dollars so far ..The Red Cross are the charity

munchymagic wrote:

Bruntonpasty wrote:

munchymagic wrote: Problem is that there are too many followers of Islam not behaving in our country, if they don't start playing ball then there will be the obvious retaliation eventually - the decent Muslims should get their heads out of their arses and sort their own mess out instead of doing their normal thing which is to keep themselves to themselves.

The reality is that the above is very likely if there is an escalation in attacks, Northernsoul's suggestion that Mosques will be burning is not that unlikely. I also agree that the Muslim community has the best chance of stopping this problem getting worse, but do they really want to?

I read this decent post by a Muslim who hits the problem right on the head -






Yesterday, a solicitor called Abdul Sattar Khan from Rawtenstall who happens to be a Muslim, posted his thoughts on FB about the Manchester atrocity. It was a mind blowing post and authentic - not a hoax. Within 2 hours it had 61k likes and had been shared almost 80,000 times... including mine. Today that post has disappeared and so has Mr Khan's FB profile. Just in case you missed it, here it is again, copied and pasted from the original. It gave me hope. Have a read and if you like it then why not share...

Written by Abdul Sattar Khan.
I've never been one to mince my words and I don't intend to now:

We Muslims need to take a long hard look at ourselves and ask what are we actually contributing to this country in return for the hospitality we are offered?

Proclaiming that "Well, I'm in such and such a profession and also a Muslim" is of no value or significance. What we do as work is our job for the purposes of income. What have we benefited this country in the context of the faith that you and I proclaim to follow?

How much longer can we tolerate [censored] child rapists in Rochdale & Halifax ? Drug dealing "bros" ravaging communities from Birmingham to Burnley? Idiot drivers from Blackburn to Rusholme? And now [censored] suicide bombers - may their parents be eaten by pigs.

I think as a Muslim community we have come to a crossroads. We call ourselves religious but in practice we offer nothing of our faith to our hosts. Entire towns have become ghettos and communities from Batley to Bradford think it is acceptable to just live from cradle to the grave in the UK without any interaction with the wider community.

Until we love our English hosts as we proclaim to love each other we will always fail. Either we change how we live here and abandon our insular ways or else we can expect to be increasingly unwelcome.

As for the [censored] depraved scum who bomb children or prey on schoolgirls like those Rochdale taxi drivers.. I believe that every single member of their family should be immediately deported without trial or question. These depraved minds who can carry out such atrocities need to be made to think twice in their twisted minds that if they do what they plan, than every single member of their family will be deported without question.

I don't really care who I upset with this post. We, as Muslims have reached a crossroads. Either we love and embrace or we can start looking for property on Pakistan's and Bangladesh's version of Rightmove.

That's if the electricity there is working..

(Feel free to share)

It might be a good start if it was true but the Lancashire Telegraph are reporting the Law Society as saying there is no such solicitor as Abdul Sattar Khan located in Rawtenstall