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15 May 2019 18:51 - 15 May 2019 19:29 #1 by musher441
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I saw him this afternoon outside House Of Fraser talking to people and handing out leaflets.

Never let it be said that we don't have enough police in this city.
There must have been about 50 of them spread out across all entrance points to the pedestrianised areas, from Castle Street and Fisher Street, to Bank Street and English Street with another 10-12 stood around Crown and Mitre.
All for one man visiting.
God knows what it will have cost.
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15 May 2019 19:02 #2 by Waltero
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E.mail the police commissioner and see what bs he comes out with

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15 May 2019 19:07 #3 by Lakelandterrier
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Are we even giving that racist man time on here. Surely not?

Cumbrian and Proud
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15 May 2019 20:30 #4 by orfc
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Hope no-one wasted a milkshake on him when there's plenty of blunt objects available for free

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15 May 2019 20:36 #5 by munchymagic
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Never voted for the BNP.

However I would shake Tommy Robinson's hand and would spit in Corbyns face.

I have voted for Labour many times.

Make of that what you will.

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15 May 2019 20:41 #6 by orfc
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I think they're both [censored]

VOTE LIB DEM

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15 May 2019 21:19 #7 by seesaw50
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Photo up on Twitter. about 14 in the crowd

To have been born Cumbrian
is to have won the lottery of life !

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15 May 2019 23:34 #8 by 182blue
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I was in town earlier and there were police everywhere and I was wondering what it was all about.
I assumed there had been some tip off about a wanted criminal or somehing.
I am totally digusted by the waste of police resource here. Serious questions need to be asked of how much money is being wasted for police to do nothing.
I'm no fan of Tommy Robinson, but Christ, they must have better things to do, surely?

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15 May 2019 23:47 - 15 May 2019 23:48 #9 by Kessler
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munchymagic wrote: However I would shake Tommy Robinson's hand and would spit in Corbyns face.


No you wouldn't.

munchymagic wrote: I have voted for Labour many times.


I think the country really needs some of their policies, because if the tories keep getting in we are [censored]. We have so much problems with job security (the lack of it) too many people are on zero hour contracts, wages are not rising as fast as inflation and house prices/rent costs. People in full time employment should not be struggling to pay bills. A Corbyn government would help solve a lot of the inequality.
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16 May 2019 00:40 #10 by Kessler
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182blue wrote: I was in town earlier and there were police everywhere and I was wondering what it was all about.
I assumed there had been some tip off about a wanted criminal or somehing.
I am totally digusted by the waste of police resource here. Serious questions need to be asked of how much money is being wasted for police to do nothing.
I'm no fan of Tommy Robinson, but Christ, they must have better things to do, surely?


I think it's probably best that there was a police presence there, just in case things kicked off. The recent thing with the milkshake (and Tommy Robinson's reaction to the person who threw it) shows that when he is out campaigning, tempers can flare quickly. Best to have a police presence nearby in case anything does happen, and they can respond an. nip it in the bud.

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16 May 2019 00:55 #11 by 182blue
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Yes a police presence is fair enough but there were dozens of police there.
There was a police van near to WH Smith with at least 10 of them in the back waiting in the wings.
Massively over the top.

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16 May 2019 00:58 #12 by Kessler
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182blue wrote: Yes a police presence is fair enough but there were dozens of police there.
There was a police van near to WH Smith with at least 10 of them in the back waiting in the wings.
Massively over the top.


If things kicked off (and there was a fair chance they might have) it would need a lot of those officers to safely get everything back under control. Plus if they were stationed in the city centre that's a nice central location for them to be able to respond to any other emergencies that might have been called in during the same time.

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16 May 2019 11:56 #13 by munchymagic
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For anyone who didn't get the chance to see TR in Carlisle yesterday - definitely worth a watch.

The police presence was unnecessary.

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16 May 2019 12:07 #14 by Arragorn
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Why would I want to watch a video of that racist scumbag ?
It's got no place on a footie messageboard imo.
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16 May 2019 12:07 - 16 May 2019 12:09 #15 by crunchblue
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The bloke’s a [censored].
As are the little chavs supporting him.
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16 May 2019 12:16 - 16 May 2019 12:20 #16 by Kessler
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munchymagic wrote: The police presence was unnecessary.


Well Tommy got assaulted last week and then promptly assaulted the person who threw the milkshake at him. It's more than likely something might kick off when he gives a speech. So with that in mind surely you can understand the police presence? What's your specific objection to them being there?
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16 May 2019 12:28 #17 by munchymagic
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Arragorn wrote: Why would I want to watch a video of that racist scumbag ?
It's got no place on a footie messageboard imo.


It isn't like it was in London though, it was in Carlisle so it is more relevant.

There isn't anything graphic at all in there.

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16 May 2019 12:33 #18 by munchymagic
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Kessler wrote:

munchymagic wrote: The police presence was unnecessary.


Well Tommy got assaulted last week and then promptly assaulted the person who threw the milkshake at him. It's more than likely something might kick off when he gives a speech. So with that in mind surely you can understand the police presence? What's your specific objection to them being there?


The amount of them and the cost of them all.

I found the video a good watch as it was fascinating to hear that Labour tried to get the police to not let him into the city (not sure of the truth in this) and therefore denying freedom of speech.

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16 May 2019 12:38 #19 by ParcelPete
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He wasn't happy when i asked if he was doing any more Blackadder.
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16 May 2019 12:39 #20 by munchymagic
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ParcelPete wrote: He wasn't happy when i asked if he was doing any more Blackadder.



He also got very annoyed when requested to sing 2-4-6-8 Motorway and Glad To Be Gay....
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16 May 2019 12:42 #21 by nobbyblue
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If i'd seen him I would have asked why he calls himself Tommy Robinson? :-D
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16 May 2019 13:21 - 16 May 2019 13:24 #22 by Kessler
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munchymagic wrote:

Kessler wrote:

munchymagic wrote: The police presence was unnecessary.


Well Tommy got assaulted last week and then promptly assaulted the person who threw the milkshake at him. It's more than likely something might kick off when he gives a speech. So with that in mind surely you can understand the police presence? What's your specific objection to them being there?


The amount of them and the cost of them all.

I found the video a good watch as it was fascinating to hear that Labour tried to get the police to not let him into the city (not sure of the truth in this) and therefore denying freedom of speech.


What cost? Those officers are being paid exactly the same whether they are in the town centre, or back at the station doing paperwork. One of the biggest complaints police get is that we don't see enough of them on the streets. Now there's over a dozen in the city centre but apparently thats STILL wrong? So what do people want, do they want more officers or not?
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16 May 2019 13:30 #23 by munchymagic
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Kessler wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

Kessler wrote:

munchymagic wrote: The police presence was unnecessary.


Well Tommy got assaulted last week and then promptly assaulted the person who threw the milkshake at him. It's more than likely something might kick off when he gives a speech. So with that in mind surely you can understand the police presence? What's your specific objection to them being there?


The amount of them and the cost of them all.

I found the video a good watch as it was fascinating to hear that Labour tried to get the police to not let him into the city (not sure of the truth in this) and therefore denying freedom of speech.


What cost? Those officers are being paid exactly the same whether they are in the town centre, or back at the station doing paperwork. One of the biggest complaints police get is that we don't see enough of them on the streets. Now there's over a dozen in the city centre but apparently thats STILL wrong? So what do people want, do they want more officers or not?


Don't be so stupid - they are normally drafted in or on overtime.

Watch the video, there are shedloads of them - are you honestly trying to tell me that we normally have this amount of police but they are back at the police station having a kip until we need them?
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16 May 2019 13:37 #24 by Mullen103
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It's people like "Tommy Robinson" that's giving Brexit a bad name, it seems ukip are the new BNP which is a shame as ukip could of been a major player, thankfully we now have the brexit party.

I was in London for the protests, the day we should of left the EU. Ukip and "Tommy" has their protest which was nothing about the EU and just about muslims and the BBC, thankfully there was the more civalised cross party one.

He's getting exposure though due to the ineptness/coruption of our government/mps to push his religion/racist discriminatory ways.

At least we’re not Stockport

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16 May 2019 13:43 - 16 May 2019 13:53 #25 by Kessler
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munchymagic wrote: Don't be so stupid - they are normally drafted in or on overtime.


For someone who is quick to accuse people of "mouthing off" when they don't agree with him, it's interesting that you seem perfectly happy to be insulting towards others.

There aren't really any "extra" officers waiting somewhere else to be bussed or flown in. The chances are its the same officers from Cumbria but working extended shifts. There is a history of things kicking off when Robinson gives a speech. Knowing the potential for things to kick off, are you seriously suggesting the police shouldn't have had a presence there?
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16 May 2019 13:56 #26 by Kessler
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Mullen103 wrote: He's getting exposure though due to the ineptness/coruption of our government/mps to push his religion/racist discriminatory ways.


That's not necessarily a bad thing. Bigots have a tendency to trip themselves up when they get exposure. When Nick Griffin was going to be on Question Time people were saying he shouldn't be allowed on, but he did go on and he made a complete arse of himself and showed his party up for the laughing stock it was. The more exposure Tommy has, the more people can see how much of an arse he really is.

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16 May 2019 14:11 #27 by Dancingbear
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I’m no fan of Griffin but he was completely stitched up on question time and not allowed to properly answer the questions he was asked.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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16 May 2019 14:26 #28 by Waltero
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If Labour did try and stop him from entering Carlisle it's a bit rich as the Labour party are as racist if not more than him. If it had of been Choudry they'd have welcomed him with open arms
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16 May 2019 15:42 #29 by ExiledJock
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Yes - Carlisle has a long history of welcoming those with convictions relating to terrorism.

Oh, wait - I'm thinking of when the Coca Cola truck comes.

Folk don't half spout shite.
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16 May 2019 15:46 #30 by munchymagic
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Kessler wrote:

munchymagic wrote: Don't be so stupid - they are normally drafted in or on overtime.


For someone who is quick to accuse people of "mouthing off" when they don't agree with him, it's interesting that you seem perfectly happy to be insulting towards others.

There aren't really any "extra" officers waiting somewhere else to be bussed or flown in. The chances are its the same officers from Cumbria but working extended shifts. There is a history of things kicking off when Robinson gives a speech. Knowing the potential for things to kick off, are you seriously suggesting the police shouldn't have had a presence there?


I was hardly 'mouthing off' just pointing out that you were being silly.

Then you go and prove my point by answering your own question.

"The chances are its the same officers from Cumbria but working extended shifts"

This is not an extra cost then as they are working for free and out of the goodness of their hearts?

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16 May 2019 15:47 #31 by Vogel
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Mullen103 wrote: It's people like "Tommy Robinson" that's giving Brexit a bad name, it seems ukip are the new BNP which is a shame as ukip could of been a major player, thankfully we now have the brexit party.

I was in London for the protests, the day we should of left the EU. Ukip and "Tommy" has their protest which was nothing about the EU and just about muslims and the BBC, thankfully there was the more civalised cross party one.
He's getting exposure though due to the ineptness/coruption of our government/mps to push his religion/racist discriminatory ways.


Good post Mullen, well said.

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16 May 2019 16:10 - 16 May 2019 16:12 #32 by Kessler
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munchymagic wrote: I was hardly 'mouthing off' just pointing out that you were being silly.

Then you go and prove my point by answering your own question.

"The chances are its the same officers from Cumbria but working extended shifts"

This is not an extra cost then as they are working for free and out of the goodness of their hearts?


Ah I see what you were saying then re the extra shifts so fair point. But I firmly believe that a police presence was needed. Only last week Tommy got assaulted by someone and then he went an assaulted that person straight after. It's a high probability that violence will flare up when Robinson is giving a speech, so it makes sense to have officers nearby to nip it in the bud. So wouldn't you say that some kind of presence was required?
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16 May 2019 16:17 #33 by nobbyblue
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Can anybody stand as an MEP? He's got convictions for violence, assault and fraud among others.

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16 May 2019 16:26 #34 by munchymagic
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Kessler wrote:

munchymagic wrote: I was hardly 'mouthing off' just pointing out that you were being silly.

Then you go and prove my point by answering your own question.

"The chances are its the same officers from Cumbria but working extended shifts"

This is not an extra cost then as they are working for free and out of the goodness of their hearts?


Ah I see what you were saying then re the extra shifts so fair point. But I firmly believe that a police presence was needed. Only last week Tommy got assaulted by someone and then he went an assaulted that person straight after. It's a high probability that violence will flare up when Robinson is giving a speech, so it makes sense to have officers nearby to nip it in the bud. So wouldn't you say that some kind of presence was required?


When a politician of any standing decides to turn up and make a speech then whoever they are they are not going to be to everyones cup of tea so it would be advisable to have a couple of police there.

Over policing tends to rub everyone up the wrong way for their own reasons.

As I said, I have never voted for BNP so TR has not betrayed me so I would shake his hand, I would refuse Corbyns hand however as he is a traitor and is trying his hardest to go against democracy.

Not even the BNP have sunk that low.
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16 May 2019 17:44 #35 by munchymagic
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I seen a placard for the ENS on the Bog Road that read 'The City Says No To Fascism'.

This is bad journalism if this is the case as one look at that video and who was present then his supporters would turn out in force meaning that protesters against TR were a small amount.

If they meant by the 'city' that gadgie on a public information system shouting abuse then they should hold their heads in shame.

Whatever your views on politics, I am sick to [censored] with the papers and the BBC publishing propaganda and lies to suit their own agenda as some gullible thick people actually believe them and it distorts democracy.
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16 May 2019 17:55 - 16 May 2019 17:58 #36 by Kessler
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munchymagic wrote: When a politician of any standing decides to turn up and make a speech then whoever they are they are not going to be to everyones cup of tea so it would be advisable to have a couple of police there.

Over policing tends to rub everyone up the wrong way for their own reasons.


And how effective do you think "a couple of police" would be if something kicked off? Despite what you might think they don't just pick a random number of officers to send to stuff like this. It will have been risk assessed and determined that they needed to send that amount of officers to properly police the area if something kicked off. Your suggestion that they could do it with a "couple of police" is just silly, and completely unrealistic.
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16 May 2019 17:58 #37 by BlueAl
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Thought if you were salaried you worked the hours your contract says and if for whatever reason you have to work extra, then so be it. Salaried means a salary and is a set wage for the job, so how come the police get overtime?

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16 May 2019 18:06 - 16 May 2019 19:35 #38 by cufcmike
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In a nutshell if a certain politician came to Carlisle someone may wish to spit on his face. But if another politician comes to Carlisle it's daft that there may be some form of police presence.
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16 May 2019 19:01 - 16 May 2019 19:06 #39 by bluebry
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cufcmike wrote: In a nutshell if a certain politician came to Carlisle someone may wish to spit on his face. But if another politician comes to Carlisle it's daft that there may be some form of police precense.


The Police should send their bill to Robinson and his party, that would prevent the little twerp coming to our fair City again.
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16 May 2019 20:35 #40 by Scottcufc
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Typical lefty view, because you don’t agree with him he shouldn’t be allowed into the city? Those scruffy unwashed protestors should be ashamed of themselves, they are the definition of a fascist! Bet you cheered the bloke on who threw a milkshake in his face last week in police view with no repercussion yet we’re disgraced when someone egged IRA sympathiser Corbyn which he was jailed for?
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16 May 2019 20:37 #41 by Scottcufc
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I was at the event Mullen and seen Tommy’s full speech, your talking absolute rubbish he barely mentioned Muslims apart from the story about the Syrian refugee who got beat up at school.

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16 May 2019 20:45 #42 by munchymagic
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Scottcufc wrote: Typical lefty view, because you don’t agree with him he shouldn’t be allowed into the city? Those scruffy unwashed protestors should be ashamed of themselves, they are the definition of a fascist! Bet you cheered the bloke on who threw a milkshake in his face last week in police view with no repercussion yet we’re disgraced when someone egged IRA sympathiser Corbyn which he was jailed for?


Again, instead of sensationalising things the media should be un-biased and reporting fact for people to make their own minds up.

Ironically, The Jeremy Kyle show got axed this week - funny that as his 'good guy against bad guy' approach is exactly how the BBC report their news so can we bin them as well?

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16 May 2019 21:02 #43 by bluebry
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Scottcufc wrote: Typical lefty view, because you don’t agree with him he shouldn’t be allowed into the city? Those scruffy unwashed protestors should be ashamed of themselves, they are the definition of a fascist! Bet you cheered the bloke on who threw a milkshake in his face last week in police view with no repercussion yet we’re disgraced when someone egged IRA sympathiser Corbyn which he was jailed for?


When did I say anything about 'not allowing him in the City' or banning him?
Its called 'freedom of speech', something we wouldn't be allowed to do if Robinson and his party got anywhere near power.
And why would you ever think that I wouldn't have cheered when someone egged Corbyn, I didn't see it but I bet it was the funniest thing seen on TV all year.

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16 May 2019 21:35 - 16 May 2019 21:40 #44 by crunchblue
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Scottcufc wrote: Those scruffy unwashed protestors should be ashamed of themselves


I’d bet the protestors were a lot more presentable and fragrant than the clan of B.O ridden, inbred chav [censored] wipes supporting Robinson.
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16 May 2019 22:06 #45 by Scottcufc
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Chavs? All I seen was hardworking tax paying people fed up of the establishment. By protestors you must mean the thickos shouting racists and nazis to black and Asian men in the crowd. The protestors calling others fascists for listening to a MEP candidate make a speech, in a country that prides itself on being a free speaking country? You need to take a good look in the mirror
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16 May 2019 22:12 #46 by Mullen103
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Scottcufc wrote: I was at the event Mullen and seen Tommy’s full speech, your talking absolute rubbish he barely mentioned Muslims apart from the story about the Syrian refugee who got beat up at school.


And in the 5 minutes that I was there, incorrectly thinking it was the main rally, they showed a video where “Tommy” complained about the BBC and about Muslims infiltrating British society.

In the time I was there, they was no mention of the EU. In honest truth I was ashamed to be there. Thankfully I found the other rally!

He tried to turn that attack on the Syrian boy into something it wasn’t, by posting on social media (when he was allowed) that the Syrian boy had attacked people at the school which was untrue.

At the end of the day you’re going to believe/take on whatever way you personally think. This guy is using Brexit for he’s own personal ways/beliefs in exactly the same way he protests about the Quran and how people are using that for their beliefs.

He’s a fraudster, football hooligans etc - he’s not some working class hero he wants us to believe he is is a [censored] idiot.

At least we’re not Stockport
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16 May 2019 22:22 #47 by I love jamesphillips
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Mullen103 wrote:

Scottcufc wrote: I was at the event Mullen and seen Tommy’s full speech, your talking absolute rubbish he barely mentioned Muslims apart from the story about the Syrian refugee who got beat up at school.[/quote
]

And in the 5 minutes that I was there, incorrectly thinking it was the main rally, they showed a
video where “Tommy” complained about the BBC and about Muslims infiltrating British society.

In the time I was there, they was

no mention of the EU. In honest truth I was ashamed to be there. Thankfully I found the other rally!



He tried to turn that attack on the Syrian boy into something it wasn’t, by posting on social media
(when he was allowed) that the Syrian boy had attacked people at the school which was untrue.

At the end of the day you’re going
to believe/take on whatever way you personally think. This guy is using Brexit for he’s own personal ways/beliefs in exactly the same way he protests about the Quran
and how people are using that for their beliefs.

He’s a fraudster, football hooligans etc - he’s not some working class
hero he wants us to believe he is is a [censored] idiot.


[censored] idiots unite

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16 May 2019 22:35 #48 by Mr Quint
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Stephen; it’s not such a bad name. Yaxley-Lennon it’s okay also. A bit unusual, a bit Irish, like John and Neil.
Then again Farage sounds a bit French! Must be a trick of the light.

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16 May 2019 22:53 #49 by 182blue
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The way for extremist politics to be defeated is for the mainstream political parties to bang their heads together and show that they are able to reach a sensible compromise as a party and agree a sensible line to take on various issues, including Brexit. If your MP is changing their position regularly or even defecting to a new party, then it doesn’t exactly breed confidence in what you are voting for.
Moderate politics will win the day, in the end, but I would say it is going to get very messy first.
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17 May 2019 07:03 #50 by Alan
Replied by Alan on topic Tommy Robinson In Town
Robinson is a nonentity however some of his views are right on the money and he goes further than many of the mainstream parties are afraid to go when they really should do.

Personally i think Corbyn is a bigger threat to our country how can a man who is no more than an anti Semetic Britian hating extremist be allowed to get within a sniff of being PM by simply buying votes .

It is frightening stuff when you think about it .
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