That’s over 4,000 for us - and if the virus continues to retreat and the PM is true to his word, it’ll surely be back to 100% capacity by August.

“All social restrictions lifted” on 21 June, so long as the vaccines are doing their job...

10,000 or 25% capacity whichever is lower.
Will be 25% except for those grounds with more than a 40.000 capacity, where the percentage will be less.

10k Outdoor Crowds from 17th May:

EFL Chief hopes for return to normal crowds for next Season:

Yes, it would be good if football could be available live for viewing on tv with a more reliable platform, better coverage etc.
It does seem a bit of an old fashioned view now to stop games being shown so that punters have to go to the game.
Clearly people go to games because they enjoy the experience, to see their mates etc and go to away matches for the trip out.
We all know people who cant make it to games due to geography, disability etc.
We also know people who can't be bothered to spend £20 going to a match in Baltic weather on a Tuesday night in December.
The game needs to adapt to survive at lower league level. This includes accepting that armchair and online viewing is now an unavoidable fact of modern life.
I think there are too many games and some games are not attractive to go to.
Clubs should realistically expect to get decent crowds to games on a Saturday and offer cheap tickets for the Tuesday night games to get a respectable amount of punters in.
I think there should be more focus on getting bigger crowds for SOME games that are more of an occasion with more stuff happening, not just an endless trudge of monotony.

Once there’s “normality” and clubs can admit to capacity I imagine for a few weeks crowds will be high for all leagues.

But a lot of supporters of clubs, going from social media, have started querying the price of it all. With rising unemployment due clubs will have to do more to get people to part with £20 regularly.

Plus will ifollow continue? will vax certificates be needed (there’ll be a proportion that won’t get a vax and there’ll be a proportion that can’t be bothered with the palava of it). Will away supporters be allowed?

Interesting questions for clubs to ponder.

Football has changed forever now I reckon.

The SKY profits must be through the roof with folk getting fantastic value for money currently, they will now have the say because when asked to go back to normal they will respond with 'Oh you didn't mind the players running their little hearts out during a pandemic blah blah blah' and they will have a stronger hand.

It was never going to ever affect the top tier during all of the chaos as it is so awash with money, lower down will take the hit.

Will you still be able to pay for home games on Ifollow? Tricky this one as we have all established that what people miss is the whole going to the game experience and meeting up so if they are missing out on a market of people who just cannot get there for whatever reason.

If the figures were available to compare then perhaps it would make more sense.

Once there’s “normality” and clubs can admit to capacity I imagine for a few weeks crowds will be high for all leagues.

But a lot of supporters of clubs, going from social media, have started querying the price of it all. With rising unemployment due clubs will have to do more to get people to part with £20 regularly.

Plus will ifollow continue? will vax certificates be needed (there’ll be a proportion that won’t get a vax and there’ll be a proportion that can’t be bothered with the palava of it). Will away supporters be allowed?

Interesting questions for clubs to ponder.

EFL Chief Trevor Birch hopes Clubs will have full crowds/capacity for next Season:

Mullen, I will now join you.

Cancel the season. PPG, Null and void if you want. But either way it should be cancelled, there’s no way it should continue.

Ha! - I knew you’d come round.

I could see this capitulation happening at Christmas why I called for it. PPG at Christmas and we’d be having a bus tour round Carlisle - wouldn’t of happened though.

Mullen, I will now join you.

Cancel the season. PPG, Null and void if you want. But either way it should be cancelled, there’s no way it should continue.

Boreham wood refused a loan.

League 2 is virtually like non-league these days.
So many clubs with peace time attendances around 2000 If they are lucky.
Professional football is not really viable at level unless it is either subsidised or bankrolled by rich backers.
Would happily see the back of all the hangers on making a living at this very lowly level.
Hopefully there will always be a Carlisle United to support whichever division we are in.
Football at our level, should be about punters coming through turnstiles and its increasingly not like that right now.

Slightly COVID related I was just reading Trevor Hemings has had to sink almost £10 million into PNE to keep them going over the last 12 months.

I’ve said before, but there’ll be big problems in the EFL in the coming years.

The clubs though with rich backers will do well but a lot aren’t and will struggle.

Social distancing being mentioned for next season.

It started for our back four on Tuesday I think.

And some more:

More from NC:

Slightly COVID related I was just reading Trevor Hemings has had to sink almost £10 million into PNE to keep them going over the last 12 months.

Social distancing being mentioned for next season.

NC on any potential fans return:

That would suit Barrow, in all fairness how would we feel if we were them - I don't think many would begrudge them a second year in the league, they might pull clear anyhow as that Kelly bloke seems to be keeping it simple and they up their game under his management.

Far better than the other two, Jolley will be lucky to get another job after that fiasco.

The National League constitution states that if there is no Relegation, then there can be no Promotion seemingly.

This one will run...

All football below the National League will be cancelled:

Hopefully, hopefully back to normal for a full season in August.

Kings Lynn, Wealdstone and Yeovil thinking of joining Dover in not fulfilling their games or at best use a youth team. With no relegation likely it should be easy to expunge the records of those don’t want to continue and carry on for those that do and kill two birds with one stone as they may be able to finish the season on time.

All football below the National League will be cancelled:

I wonder if a few more clubs, who voted to carry on with the conference, are having 2nd thoughts after the March 22nd rumour.

Looks like the return of fans will be next Season unless any possible “Test” fixture:

The majority of posters on the Dover fans forum are just hoping they still have a club to support regardless of which league they end up in.

It'll be a big re-shuffle of the pyramid if other teams in the league refuse to continue the season.

Those leagues should not restart until supporters can fully attend - I’d add the conference in that as well.

Null & void was the best option now but because they started and were assured of funding, lies by the national league, but they probably expected supporters by now in fairness they got players/staff that they will furlough and have no choice to make redundant when it ends.

No winners really.

I expect Dover will resign their position in the conference possibly along with the 6 others that voted for null & void. It’s up to the conference how they deal with that.

North and south - null and void.
Conference voted to carry on - A few clubs will go/resign I imagine.

Bad news for Barra, they were expecting Conference to be cancelled.....

North and south - null and void.
Conference voted to carry on - A few clubs will go/resign I imagine.

National League N/S declared ‘Null and Void’ for the 20/21 Season:

A dozen clubs in the NL/NLN/NLS say they will have to resign their positions regardless of the vote, to possibly save their clubs, as they are in that much debt already.

I think there’ll resign their place eventually.

Dover in National League place entire Club on Furlough, won’t play any games until they know what’s happening:

So yes I was wrong about the EFL cancelling the season now, they should have, but not the financial troubles.

The majority of National league sides have been sensible in refusing loans as there’s no guarantee of paying them back or there’ll be severely hampered on years to come. But we will see a lot of clubs resigning from that set up, which may be good for Workington.

As for the EFL, I think clubs have gambled, they don’t want to resign from the league or refuse loans so the majority have took them on. They may be hoping there’ll be written off or the EFL doesn’t call them in but there’s no guarantees of that.

No idea how clubs will pay them back which is why it’s important for the EFL to grow so they aren’t desperate for the money come 2024. Going to be an interesting few years.

One way of paying back the loans is by the EFL claimig a percentage of the gate money (after expenses) like the FA does with the FA Cup.

Only a suggestion.

Maybe, but all that will do is push the price back onto the supporter.

I’ve a feeling the EFL are in big trouble but they have managed to whether this storm out by loaning clubs money/future money to make it seem they know what there doing. While the national league board have been shown up to be a complete shambles now the EFL have bided their time so that when the shit hits the fan in a couple of years all those board members etc can leave and it’s up to others to sort out the shit.

So yes I was wrong about the EFL cancelling the season now, they should have, but not the financial troubles.

The majority of National league sides have been sensible in refusing loans as there’s no guarantee of paying them back or there’ll be severely hampered on years to come. But we will see a lot of clubs resigning from that set up, which may be good for Workington.

As for the EFL, I think clubs have gambled, they don’t want to resign from the league or refuse loans so the majority have took them on. They may be hoping there’ll be written off or the EFL doesn’t call them in but there’s no guarantees of that.

No idea how clubs will pay them back which is why it’s important for the EFL to grow so they aren’t desperate for the money come 2024. Going to be an interesting few years.

One way of paying back the loans is by the EFL claimig a percentage of the gate money (after expenses) like the FA does with the FA Cup.

Only a suggestion.

Non league been told a proportion of supporters may be allowed back, 2k, by the 22nd March. Depends on lots of factors I suppose but it’s a start.

After today’s postponements I wouldn’t be surprised if the EFL extend for a week. Supporters could be allowed back for Wembley at say 30% so that’ll be still 25-30k for a play off final so they’d still want to use Wembley before the Euros get it, if that ahead and to plan.

So yes I was wrong about the EFL cancelling the season now, they should have, but not the financial troubles.

The majority of National league sides have been sensible in refusing loans as there’s no guarantee of paying them back or there’ll be severely hampered on years to come. But we will see a lot of clubs resigning from that set up, which may be good for Workington.

As for the EFL, I think clubs have gambled, they don’t want to resign from the league or refuse loans so the majority have took them on. They may be hoping there’ll be written off or the EFL doesn’t call them in but there’s no guarantees of that.

No idea how clubs will pay them back which is why it’s important for the EFL to grow so they aren’t desperate for the money come 2024. Going to be an interesting few years.

The EFL will be completed now because clubs have been bribed by the little bit of premier league money and loans so have kicked any financial trouble down the road.

The EFL wouldn’t want to lose the TV money as that would likely bankrupt them so instead have given loans to clubs. I think they’ve told clubs to keep quiet about this.

These loans are supposed to be paid back in 2024. The interesting thing will be the state of the EFL at that time. Will they risk clubs going out of business by calling in the loans to save their skin/business.

So yes the season should have been cancelled. Look at the mess the national leagues in, all the EFLs done is to move this mess to another day.

Do you think the EFL season will get cancelled Mullen or do you expect it to be completed?

I know earlier in the season (before this thread) you were sure it would all be cancelled. I just wondered if you still think this.

National league is a joke at the moment.

The interesting thing will be what happens when the EFL start calling in their loans, supposed 2024, then the fun will start.

Fleetwood took out 800k and they are meant to be financially ok.

I'm just happy that Ru Paul wasn't canceled

Interesting Thread from Dulwich Hamlet, seems the National League has descended into a shambles:

Farce

Clubs will fold, a lot of clubs will fold due to mismanagement, lies, false promises, mis interpretation and a lack of money.

Clubs charged for not playing games, they can’t afford. Told to take loans clubs can’t afford or know the terms off.

It seems the national league board don’t know their own rules and what’s worrying is they are putting clubs in serious financial danger that If they carry on they won’t be a national league to administer.

Interesting Thread from Dulwich Hamlet, seems the National League has descended into a shambles:

It will divide their squad, one group of lads giving all for the cause whilst another gets paid to sit at home doing DIY and watching daytime TV.

Won't look good for their career either, would you take a chance on a player deemed that surplus they were put on furlough when others weren't?

You shouldn’t really furlough part of a team because they aren’t good enough - that’s not what furlough is for.

Yes furlough staff as they aren’t being used, but footballs still being played so furlough all and suspend or none at all. It’s immoral and some can say Barrow have an unfair advantage.

If football is suspended/cancelled use furlough. Don’t use it because you’ve used shite players.

Barrow have seemingly offered some unwanted Players the option of Furlough!

Liverpool and Man City have had Champions League games scheduled for Germany moved to Hungary, whilst Arsenal and Man Utd have had games scheduled for Portugal and Spain respectively moved to Italy...

With the new travel restrictions/isolation rules due to come in on Monday, I wonder how it will affect English teams playing in Europe. For instance Arsenal are due to play in Lisbon a week tomorrow.

North - most, who voted so far, voted to null and void.

South - even so far

Conference - Not many have gone public, even on those but I imagine there’ll vote to carry on. Dover’s chairmen resigned from the leagues board and talk is there’ll resign from the national leagues as they can’t afford to carry on. Maidenhead also likely to do the same along with Kings Lynn.

5000 grassroots clubs could close due to the virus restrictions.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-thousands-of-grassroots-football-clubs-will-close-as-result-of-coronavirus-report-12210029?fbclid=IwAR1j6Ry2Ak0rjbvUPjNDD765fBPOSjydQnHdfZarXKRgBDXDvsVppNafSzY