CUFC SQUAD 17/18 THREAD

To discuss shape of squad over the next couple of months, will be updated as/when contracts are signed and/or players signed.

Squad as of 1st May 2017:

Signed:
T.Miller
Grainger
Brisley
Ellis
Liddle
Joyce
Jones
Adams
Devitt
Lambe
O'Sullivan
S.Miller

Development Contract:
Bacon
Egan
Holt
Salkeld

Offered Deal:
Gillespie
Raynes
Kennedy

That's 12 signed, 4 'Development' players and 3 offered at present.

CCU wrote: To discuss shape of squad over the next couple of months, will be updated as/when contracts are signed and/or players signed.

Squad as of 1st May 2017:

Signed:
T.Miller
Grainger
Brisley
Ellis
Liddle
Joyce
Jones
Adams
Devitt
Lambe
O'Sullivan
S.Miller

Offered Deal:
Gillespie
Raynes
Kennedy

That's 12 signed, and 3 offered at present.

I do believe Jabo has been offered a deal as well

I took it as he was going to offer him a deal, but hadn't yet?

Hope he does offer a deal and one that Jabo will accept!

Signed:
T.Miller
Grainger
Brisley
Ellis
Liddle
Joyce
Jones
Adams
Devitt
Lambe
O'Sullivan
S.Miller

Offered Deal:
Gillespie
Raynes
Kennedy

Bounced Out:
Jenkins
Nixon
Pattison

Can't see both of Brisley and Ellis being at the club either by the time the season starts or by the time the transfer window shuts, unless Raynes doesn't sign. Brisley more likely to still be here than Ellis (unfortunately).
Signing a decent centre half is priority whether we get promoted or not.

Swintonblue wrote: Can't see both of Brisley and Ellis being at the club either by the time the season starts or by the time the transfer window shuts, unless Raynes doesn't sign. Brisley more likely to still be here than Ellis (unfortunately).
Signing a decent centre half is priority whether we get promoted or not.

If Raynes stays they could do a lot worse that get Moussa Diara from Barrow the lad will go for big money one day

And theres a chance we might get Gillesphrey this year Newcastle getting promoted will have kicked him down the pecking order there

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: If Raynes stays they could do a lot worse that get Moussa Diara from Barrow the lad will go for big money one day

Seconded. The blokes huge (6ft 6in) and deserves a go in League Football. Think Preston were looking earlier in the Season...

Think he's under contract until 2018 though so no chance we'd pay for him?

Yeah from what I've seen of Diarra he'd maybe be worth a go in league 2.

If Mark Ellis has been as immense as people say he has been in the conference this season then maybe we could offer barrow a swap or part exchange.

Development players added...

A bit presumptuous CCU, the four of them have been offered contracts but as with a couple of the seniors, the jungle drums haven’t confirmed the signing of them yet.

lbtufty wrote: A bit presumptuous CCU, the four of them have been offered contracts but as with a couple of the seniors, the jungle drums haven’t confirmed the signing of them yet.

White smoke

lbtufty wrote: A bit presumptuous CCU, the four of them have been offered contracts but as with a couple of the seniors, the jungle drums haven’t confirmed the signing of them yet.

Hence why they have their own section, just like the Seniors who've been offered but not signed...

That's ok CCU, they will probably sign and it can always be changed to "Offered Development Contract" next season.

Speaking to a FGR season ticket the other day who said Ellis had been poor for them and unlikely to be kept on.

Croydonblue wrote: Speaking to a FGR season ticket the other day who said Ellis had been poor for them and unlikely to be kept on.

Watched him 3 or 4 times on bt sport, They play out from the back like we did the first half of last season, Just doesn't suit him and probably never will.

I hate the phrase, Robbie Savage uses it in every show he is on 'I'm like Marmite' but Ellis is like Marmite, rated and hated.

When he came to Carlisle he changed our form right around and then our season went to pot when he left.

His record with Forest Green must be pretty impressive.

Ellis must think what do I have to do to get any sort of praise whatsoever.

munchymagic wrote: I hate the phrase, Robbie Savage uses it in every show he is on 'I'm like Marmite' but Ellis is like Marmite, rated and hated.

When he came to Carlisle he changed our form right around and then our season went to pot when he left.

His record with Forest Green must be pretty impressive.

Ellis must think what do I have to do to get any sort of praise whatsoever.

He played in 12 games for us this season, 5 of those were in the cups, so I'd hardly say him leaving had anything to do with our downturn in form.

It is a fact though that we have been mainly shit since he left and could have been utilised.

Bet we won or drew most of the games he featured in.

Reading this message board since Ellis left you'd think he's the greatest centre back we've ever had.

I thought he was a poor CB, well below Raynes and Gillesphey's standard.

crunchblue wrote: Reading this message board since Ellis left you'd think he's the greatest centre back we've ever had.

I thought he was a poor CB, well below Raynes and Gillesphey's standard.

I know you don't rate him and am not saying he is the best but he is a full on defender who would have been better in the squad than not, he would have got us over the line surely.

Mark Ellis came in last season in November and was excellent for us. If we hadn't had him, we may well not have gotten the Everton draw in the FA Cup and had no chance of the play-offs once we were back at Brunton Park. Curle wanted one centre-back to fully defend and one to play football this season because we had no play from the back last season when Grainger was out and ended up restrcited. Gillesphey looks as if he has a 'if he's fit he plays' clause in his loan deal, especially when we got him extended in January. Curle went for Raynes over Ellis, likely because he's more of a leader and would benefit Gillesphey and the team more so Ellis probably to a strop and Curle lost faith in him. Also, with Brisley also being a new signing, Curle may have preferred to give him chances over Ellis.

Ellis got my player of the season vote last season and I still rate him as our best defender in our squad (that's purely on his defensive capabilities). I can't see him staying at all and he'll surely go to Forest Green permanently if they are promoted. It's sad to see and unfortunately we've already rued it this season with our shocking defensive record (Ellis only playing a handful of those games).

If you take out the money and protocol issues which wouldnt of been an issue in the first place if Jenkins had stepped up to the mark and done what any sane right minded owner not suffering from senile dementia and very deep pockets would have done i dont see how anyone could say sending Ellis out on loan was a good move.

Four centre backs at the club one injured, one playing like shit and what does Curle do sends out the only other logical option on loan just so he can bring in some guy he clearly has some sort of fixation about signing and then playing out of position makes no sense whatsoever to me if he didnt rate Ellis or the way that he plays why the fu ck did he sign him in the first place ?

And given the way we.ve played since xmas [ ie none of the playing out from the back crap ] i suggest Ellis and his style would actually be the player that would of suited the style the best.

You could argue that the 'playing out from the back crap' got us to the top of the league, if you've got the right players to do it there's nothing wrong with it at all.

crunchblue wrote: Reading this message board since Ellis left you'd think he's the greatest centre back we've ever had.

I thought he was a poor CB, well below Raynes and Gillesphey's standard.

But well ahead of Brisley

Seekaye wrote:

crunchblue wrote: Reading this message board since Ellis left you'd think he's the greatest centre back we've ever had.

I thought he was a poor CB, well below Raynes and Gillesphey's standard.

But well ahead of Brisley

About level with each other I'd say. But I get the feeling Brisley is capable of higher standards than Ellis is.

Interestingly we won 4 out of the 5 games that Ellis and Brisley both played together, but these were full of goals!

CU 2 Blackburn U23 0
CU 3 Crawley 1
St Albans 3 CU 5
CU 4 Fleetwood 2
Colchester 4 CU 1

Please don't remind me of the defending in that Colchester game CCU, id almost wiped it from memory

I actually don't think there is much between any of our center backs all being pretty decent at this level none being outstanding but none seem to have found a partner they seem comfortable with and the manager certainly hasn't found a competent combination at the back

not sure what the answer is...probably a complete overhall of the back 5

oh for a Richard Keogh

I'm going to put the opposite opinion out there.... I think all of our defenders are poor at this level.... none of them are good enough for a team looking to be promoted. Look at the amount of goals we have conceded... it's just not acceptable. 1 clean sheet since October and people still think we have decent defenders at this level. Well the stats say differently. Anything other than a complete overhaul of the defence and we will be in the same position of having to score two or three goals per game to win. That will never get you promotion.

(I am saying this last thing in the hope that fate will intervene and prove me wrong in the upcoming play offs )

Northumbrian wrote: I'm going to put the opposite opinion out there.... I think all of our defenders are poor at this level.... none of them are good enough for a team looking to be promoted. Look at the amount of goals we have conceded... it's just not acceptable. 1 clean sheet since October and people still think we have decent defenders at this level. Well the stats say differently. Anything other than a complete overhaul of the defence and we will be in the same position of having to score two or three goals per game to win. That will never get you promotion.

(I am saying this last thing in the hope that fate will intervene and prove me wrong in the upcoming play offs )

The defence isn't great but the rest of the team have to take their share of the blame.

As Bill Shankly always said you defend from the front.

What a difference its made in games recently with Jabo and Proctor holding the ball up front.

nobbyblue wrote:

Northumbrian wrote: I'm going to put the opposite opinion out there.... I think all of our defenders are poor at this level.... none of them are good enough for a team looking to be promoted. Look at the amount of goals we have conceded... it's just not acceptable. 1 clean sheet since October and people still think we have decent defenders at this level. Well the stats say differently. Anything other than a complete overhaul of the defence and we will be in the same position of having to score two or three goals per game to win. That will never get you promotion.

(I am saying this last thing in the hope that fate will intervene and prove me wrong in the upcoming play offs )

The defence isn't great but the rest of the team have to take their share of the blame.

As Bill Shankly always said you defend from the front.

What a difference its made in games recently with Jabo and Proctor holding the ball up front.

I do agree.... but the defence has to take responsibility for some of the calamitous defensive errors this season... my particular bug bear is failing to mark up correctly and ball watching from crosses and set pieces.... the number of free headers teams get against us is ridiculous. Holding the ball up well is important but won't cover up that kind of poor defending. Compare our goals conceded record against the rest of the top 7 and it proves the point.

I agree that all our defenders are at this level I think Ellis has a promotion on his CV but what we desperately need is someone who has experience of a higher level and who is an organiser I know Raynes has his fans but think probably because he is a bit of a chest thumper

I am in complete agreement that the whole defensive unit needs changed..I would keep Grainger in squad the rest could go for me

Just been looking at those out of contract this Summer:

Joe Ward
Ben Thomlinson
Jabo Ibehre
James Bailey
Patrick Brough
Max Crocombe
James Hooper
Junior Joachim
Samir Nabi
Alex McQueen

Also our current Loanees:
Jamie Proctor
Macauley Gillesphey
George Waring

Think we'll offer any a deal?

Curle has said he wants to keep Jabo. He's obviously a fan of Bailey too. An approach for Gillesphey wouldn't be a surprise either?

I don't think any of those will be here next season.

We might possibly push the boat out for Proctor if we went up.

Updated those out of contract this Summer:

Ben Thomlinson
Jabo Ibehre
James Bailey
Patrick Brough
Max Crocombe
Junior Joachim
Samir Nabi

Also our current Loanees:
Jamie Proctor
Macauley Gillesphey
George Waring

Half that lot will be off at least I would reckon, only two to three of them on decent money and two of them aren't ours so will hardly free up much money unfortunately.

How many of the first team squad are on the transfer list? Brisley & Ellis definitely were. Of those without deals for next season only Jabo and Proctor I would think are costing us much so I don't imagine Curle will have much budget to bring players in. I think the key will be loan players, I would like to see 4 or 5 coming in on season long loan.

Kaiser Blue wrote: Mark Ellis came in last season in November and was excellent for us. If we hadn't had him, we may well not have gotten the Everton draw in the FA Cup and had no chance of the play-offs once we were back at Brunton Park. Curle wanted one centre-back to fully defend and one to play football this season because we had no play from the back last season when Grainger was out and ended up restrcited. Gillesphey looks as if he has a 'if he's fit he plays' clause in his loan deal, especially when we got him extended in January. Curle went for Raynes over Ellis, likely because he's more of a leader and would benefit Gillesphey and the team more so Ellis probably to a strop and Curle lost faith in him. Also, with Brisley also being a new signing, Curle may have preferred to give him chances over Ellis.

Ellis got my player of the season vote last season and I still rate him as our best defender in our squad (that's purely on his defensive capabilities). I can't see him staying at all and he'll surely go to Forest Green permanently if they are promoted. It's sad to see and unfortunately we've already rued it this season with our shocking defensive record (Ellis only playing a handful of those games).

Agree kaiser him and Raynes had a great partnership when he first came in and played a big part in keeping us up. Not sure what went wrong ......but nobody has mentioned the real reason we've shipped so many goals ...Mike Jones . without him in the team to cut out attacks, together with Joyce in partnership , its been like a knife through butter at times.

CCU wrote: Updated those out of contract this Summer:

Ben Thomlinson
Jabo Ibehre
James Bailey
Patrick Brough
Max Crocombe
Junior Joachim
Samir Nabi

Also our current Loanees:
Jamie Proctor
Macauley Gillesphey
George Waring

Surely Thomlinson won't get a deal he has hardly played and when he did I don't think he touched the ball. He gets himself in all the photos and that, he's more like a mascot!

Let the rumours begin (Mentioned on another thread)!

www.skysports.com/football/news/11732/10...-loan-from-brentford

m.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/luke-waterfall-...88-detail/story.html

CCU wrote: Let the rumours begin (Mentioned on another thread)!

www.skysports.com/football/news/11732/10...-loan-from-brentford

m.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/luke-waterfall-...88-detail/story.html

Closing the stable door once the horse has bolted

There's only Jabo on that list I'd want to keep.

was there a thread on here regarding player contracts? who's is up? who's got 1 year left? who's signed?

ta.

Mod Edit: Thread merged!

These players are out of contract at the end of June.

Mark Gillespie
Max Crocombe
Michael Raynes
Patrick Brough
Jason Kennedy
Samir Nabi
Jabo Ibehre
Ben Tomlinson
Junior Joachim
James Bailey


McQueen, Hooper and Ward have already gone.

Everyone else is under contract for next season

Grainger recently signed a new one-year deal at the same time Reggie Lambe did.

Squad Contracts are as follows:

Mark Gillespie - Expires July 2017
Joe Ward - Expires July 2017 - Released
Danny Grainger - Expires July 2018
Luke Joyce - Expires July 2018
Michael Raynes - Expires July 2017
Mark Ellis - Expires July 2018
Jason Kennedy - Expires July 2017
Mike Jones - Expires July 2018
Nicky Adams - Expires July 2018
Macaulay Gillesphey - Loan Expired
Ben Tomlinson - Expires July 2017
Jabo Ibehre - Expires July 2017
Shaun Brisley - Expires July 2018
James Bailey - Expires July 2017
Jamie Devitt - Expires July 2018
John O'Sullivan - Expires July 2018
Reggie Lambe - Expires July 2018
Shaun Miller - Expires July 2018
Max Crocombe - Expires July 2017
Tom Miller - Expires July 2018
Cameron Salkeld - Expires July 2018 (Development Contract)
Jordan Holt - Expires July 2018 (Development Contract)
James Hooper - Expires July 2017 - Released
George Waring - Loan Expired
Gary Liddle - Expires July 2018
Jean-Michel Joachim - Expires July 2017
Morgan Bacon - Expires July 2017
Samir Nabi - Expires July 2017
Alexander McQueen - Expires July 2017 - Released

take it
Miller
Miller
Brisley
Lambe
Devitt
Adams
Jones
Liddle
Joyce
Egan
Bacon
Sallkald
Holt
This is players with contracts then?

CottonEyeJoe wrote: Squad Contracts are as follows:

Mark Gillespie - Expires July 2017
Joe Ward - Expires July 2017 - Released
Danny Grainger - Expires July 2018
Luke Joyce - Expires July 2018
Michael Raynes - Expires July 2017
Mark Ellis - Expires July 2018
Jason Kennedy - Expires July 2017
Mike Jones - Expires July 2018
Nicky Adams - Expires July 2018
Macaulay Gillesphey - Loan Expired
Ben Tomlinson - Expires July 2017
Jabo Ibehre - Expires July 2017
Shaun Brisley - Expires July 2018
James Bailey - Expires July 2017
Jamie Devitt - Expires July 2018
John O'Sullivan - Expires July 2018
Reggie Lambe - Expires July 2018
Shaun Miller - Expires July 2018
Max Crocombe - Expires July 2017
Tom Miller - Expires July 2018
Cameron Salkeld - Expires July 2018 (Development Contract)
Jordan Holt - Expires July 2018 (Development Contract)
James Hooper - Expires July 2017 - Released
George Waring - Loan Expired
Gary Liddle - Expires July 2018
Jean-Michel Joachim - Expires July 2017
Morgan Bacon - Expires July 2017
Samir Nabi - Expires July 2017
Alexander McQueen - Expires July 2017 - Released

Suggestion to KC : recall Ellis and offer them, FGR, Brisley

How come this terrible CB Ellis got such a long contract KC ?

I'd get shot of Raynes, Brisley and Ellis if I could.

Raynes is probably the best of the 3 but he's easiest to get rid of as he's out of contract.

I hope FGR take Ellis permanently but I have my doubts that they will. Maybe Mellon will take him at Tranmere seeing as he played under him previously.