Wolves at the door..

Reports of CCJ's being delivered to Carlisle United earlier in the year. We then get loan from EWM of one million. Creditors are paid.
Charge put on the ground, doesn't look good.
I think the EWM will call in the loan soon knowing full well there will be no payment. This will enable them to takeover the club.

Or maybe it's slightly more long term than that?

There's only one person on the board that can cover the loan and, sadly, he's not going to be around for ever.

Maybe the loan will stay in-situ until Andrew is no longer with us as there's no chance in hell that JN and SP will be repaying it.

It's well known the bank of AJ has stopped from family pressure. There will be no more putting money in from him.
The other directors don't have the funds to put money in so, thus appears the one million from EWM. There is a debentute over the ground from them.
The directors have well and truly put the club in trouble.
I am hoping for a takeover which I've been informed will happen this summer.
The football club can't have long term negative funds put in the club long term.

Its also well known that they havent loaned the club a million. Theyve given the club a loan facility of a million but no one knows how much of it the club have actually used. If they have used it all then theyre no better off unless Day does eventually take over.

Lakelandterrier wrote: It's well known the bank of AJ has stopped from family pressure. There will be no more putting money in from him.
The other directors don't have the funds to put money in so, thus appears the one million from EWM. There is a debentute over the ground from them.
The directors have well and truly put the club in trouble.
I am hoping for a takeover which I've been informed will happen this summer.
The football club can't have long term negative funds put in the club long term.

Agreed but at the same time, if push came to shove, I don't think he'd ever risk the future of the club.

Lakelandterrier wrote: Reports of CCJ's being delivered to Carlisle United earlier in the year.

Source?

CCU wrote:

Lakelandterrier wrote: Reports of CCJ's being delivered to Carlisle United earlier in the year.

Source?

I was sent a private message about it this morning. I think the person will also tell soon enough.

I also think that CUOSC should be being open with fans regarding club finances. After all they are the second biggest shareholder.

Lakelandterrier wrote: I also think that CUOSC should be being open with fans regarding club finances. After all they are the second biggest shareholder.

For all we know they may well be telling CUOSC everything and its them who are keeping its members and fans in general in the dark

Its not as if they dont have history for it is it ?

Lakelandterrier wrote: Reports of CCJ's being delivered to Carlisle United earlier in the year. We then get loan from EWM of one million. Creditors are paid.
Charge put on the ground, doesn't look good.
I think the EWM will call in the loan soon knowing full well there will be no payment. This will enable them to takeover the club.

Where from?

Lakelandterrier wrote:

CCU wrote:

Lakelandterrier wrote: Reports of CCJ's being delivered to Carlisle United earlier in the year.

Source?

I was sent a private message about it this morning. I think the person will also tell soon enough.

Here is the register, why not just search it?
www.trustonline.org.uk/search-others

Lakelandterrier wrote: I also think that CUOSC should be being open with fans...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Markovitch wrote:

Lakelandterrier wrote:

CCU wrote:

Lakelandterrier wrote: Reports of CCJ's being delivered to Carlisle United earlier in the year.

Source?

I was sent a private message about it this morning. I think the person will also tell soon enough.

Here is the register, why not just search it?
www.trustonline.org.uk/search-others

Go on Marko you can afford to pay the tenner and do the search for us. Im skint

Bit of a shan for Jenkins if he couldn't afford to pay the bills only half way through the season.

The hole Jenkins finds himself in is of his own making, refused to sell the club to anyone then he ran up silly debts doing what he always does - running the club badly.

Then he refuses to put any more cash in, I wonder how close it got to players not getting paid?

How on earth can you run out of money half way through the season if you budget properly and claim to run the club properly?

They run the club like a nineteen year old who gets paid monthly and spunks the lot within the first week then wonders where it has all gone and is surprised that they cannot pay any bills for the rest of the month without borrowing something.

They might be fans but they certainly are amateurs when it comes to running a football club.

Would explain why those players left in January ...

Nixon = [censored]
Pattison = [censored]
Bell = [censored]
Jenkins = [censored]
CUOSC = [censored]

The Club is surrounded by more [censored] than Trump - the sooner we get rid the quicker the Club can move on!

Add Phil King to that list - the quietest marketing man in the world who generates nothing while stealing a wage of a good centre back!

Add slimy toad Clibbens to that list too

It's too quiet for nothing to going on in my view.I heard a while ago that cash was very tight and bills not being paid.Crowds down but win bonuses up etc.The result of the prolonging of the Syrian pizza soap opera.

Basically it feels like they have just ran out of cash and AJ quite rightly said enough.Whoever told him to stop should be congratulated;I did the same at Motherwell and it wasn't pleasant but absolutely the right thing to do.We all have a limit.

Change is afoot and it can only be positive.

Administration perhaps?

I'd quite happily take us going to the wall and having to start again down in the lower non-league if it meant clearing the decks - i thought I would never hear myself saying that but that is the point I am at with these bunch of eejits.

Urban Designer wrote: Add Phil King to that list - the quietest marketing man in the world who generates nothing while stealing a wage of a good centre back!

To be honest, his job must be as hard as a Gary Glitter promotor trying to sell tickets for an upcoming concert.

Yes I am aware Gary Glitter is in prison but you get the gist.

What Jenkins seems to be blinkered to is that in his initial days in football ownership and what the modern day football is like are two massively different things, revenue needs to come in different ways but it all seems to be a hassle and a distraction even when you are in the perfect position to be the caterer in the food department.

When folk were saying to Curle that the wheels had fallen off they should have directed it at Jenkins, he got half the season right then massively spoiled it - bit strange really when you had the rest of the money to see the job through but didn't and as a supporter probably ruined his own dreams and ambitions too.

Odd chap.

Some of this doesn`t add up

So AJ stops topping up the bank account yet personally funds Proctor`s wages AND pays for overnight hotel bills to help "preparation" for crucial games in the south. And somebody paid for flying the team to Exeter.

What does it all mean.?

seesaw50 wrote: Some of this doesn`t add up

So AJ stops topping up the bank account yet personally funds Proctor`s wages AND pays for overnight hotel bills to help "preparation" for crucial games in the south. And somebody paid for flying the team to Exeter.

What does it all mean.?

And how on earth can you go bust in January if you have budgeted and got the Wyke money as well?

I doubt it.

More likely an honourable exit and 'long grass' potential(but unlikely) for getting some of the loans back.

There is money out there to put into Carlisle-just don't see it with the current backdrop and recent car crashes including my good self.

One thing is for sure-the equity is worth the square root of not a lot so unless you can rebuild from within your own resources,why hang about and hold things up/get in the way of progress?

munchymagic wrote:

seesaw50 wrote: Some of this doesn`t add up

So AJ stops topping up the bank account yet personally funds Proctor`s wages AND pays for overnight hotel bills to help "preparation" for crucial games in the south. And somebody paid for flying the team to Exeter.

What does it all mean.?

And how on earth can you go bust in January if you have budgeted and got the Wyke money as well?

We wont have got all the Wyke money yet probably....maybe this loan facility is on the strength of the Wyke money covering any they draw down from said facility

I spoke to someone from Pioneer some time ago. Their comment was interesting, "It does make money but it would make a lot more if it wasn't still working in 1974".

Sound familiar?

41 Mortgages what's all that about like!! lets hope for a full clear out and a fresh start!

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seesaw50 wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

seesaw50 wrote: Some of this doesn`t add up

So AJ stops topping up the bank account yet personally funds Proctor`s wages AND pays for overnight hotel bills to help "preparation" for crucial games in the south. And somebody paid for flying the team to Exeter.

What does it all mean.?

And how on earth can you go bust in January if you have budgeted and got the Wyke money as well?

We wont have got all the Wyke money yet probably....maybe this loan facility is on the strength of the Wyke money covering any they draw down from said facility

Jenkins got his wish with the EWM money I guess, the opportunity for him and goblin heed to lord it up on someone elses money.

These are the outstanding ones!! wonder what sort of figure it would require to settle all????

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Date Charge Registered: 17/03/17
Date Charge Satisfied: -
Status: OUTSTANDING
Person(s) Entitled: THE EDINBURGH WOOLLEN MILL LIMITED;
Amount Secured:
Details: BRUNTON PARK, WARWICK ROAD, CARLISLE, AND LAND ON THE WEST OF BRUNTON PARK, WARWICK ROAD, CARLISLE AND LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WARWICK ROAD, CARLISLE UNDER TITLE NUMBERS CU119715, CU218033 AND CU288354.CONTAINS FIXED CHARGE.CONTAINS FLOATING CHARGE.CONTAINS NEGATIVE PLEDGE.
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Date Charge Satisfied: -
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Date Charge Created: 07/11/07
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Date Charge Satisfied: -
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Amount Secured: ALL MONIES DUE OR TO BECOME DUE FROM THE COMPANY TO THE CHARGEE ON ANY ACCOUNT WHATSOEVER
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Mortgage Type: LEGAL CHARGE
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Date Charge Registered: 03/10/07
Date Charge Satisfied: -
Status: OUTSTANDING
Person(s) Entitled: THE GOVERNOR AND COMPANY OF THE BANK OF SCOTLAND
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Why would a debt of £733 get as far as a CCJ for gods sake

seesaw50 wrote: Why would a debt of £733 get as far as a CCJ for gods sake

Erm if your business is struggling and strapped for cash it could be vital, anyhow when you know the person not paying you is worth twenty f ucking million then I would be livid!

munchymagic wrote:

seesaw50 wrote: Why would a debt of £733 get as far as a CCJ for gods sake

Erm if your business is struggling and strapped for cash it could be vital, anyhow when you know the person not paying you is worth twenty f ucking million then I would be livid!

Yeah agree about cash flow to small businesses being vital ...meant why would such a relatively small bill not be paid by CU maybe a dispute on the amount but even so !

Maybe a lifetimes supply of pies should have been offered

If theyre unsold Brunton Pasties it would prob push the debt up.

Wonder when John is going to ask for his 20k back?

Jenkins may be out of touch with football revenue streams but that is what Phil King was brought in for and he has done nothing.

Proctor was funded by releasing I dont know how many wages plus the 250k.

Was the 250 k release clause with options to pay in instalments? Its bad enough that it was set so low on the first place!

We have one of the highest turnovers in League 2 - only Portsmouth, Luton, Plymouth and Blackpool have a higher one.

Crowds have not gone down - they went up by 5% which while poor considering we spent most of the season in the top 3 is a lot better than most.

It doesn't add up at all.

In reality money has gone on King and Cibbens (smoke screen) who I doubt have covered their wage - we await the commercial income figures.

Laffy wrote: It's too quiet for nothing to going on in my view.I heard a while ago that cash was very tight and bills not being paid.Crowds down but win bonuses up etc.The result of the prolonging of the Syrian pizza soap opera.

Basically it feels like they have just ran out of cash and AJ quite rightly said enough.Whoever told him to stop should be congratulated;I did the same at Motherwell and it wasn't pleasant but absolutely the right thing to do.We all have a limit.

Change is afoot and it can only be positive.

Nothing wrong with Jenkins shovelling the cash in after all he cant take it with him can he ? The problem is unlike other owners he expects to get it back What for exactly just how long does he think hes gonna live for for gods sake. Just how many cruises a year does he think him and his doris can go on ?

Go on Andrew, fu ck the kids, spunk the lot and die a happy man

munchymagic wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: Add Phil King to that list - the quietest marketing man in the world who generates nothing while stealing a wage of a good centre back!

To be honest, his job must be as hard as a Gary Glitter promotor trying to sell tickets for an upcoming concert.

Yes I am aware Gary Glitter is in prison but you get the gist.

What Jenkins seems to be blinkered to is that in his initial days in football ownership and what the modern day football is like are two massively different things, revenue needs to come in different ways but it all seems to be a hassle and a distraction even when you are in the perfect position to be the caterer in the food department.

When folk were saying to Curle that the wheels had fallen off they should have directed it at Jenkins, he got half the season right then massively spoiled it - bit strange really when you had the rest of the money to see the job through but didn't and as a supporter probably ruined his own dreams and ambitions too.

Odd chap.

Clearly started listening to people with a vested interest. Like those who expect to be in the will

Memo to myself-I must not get involved in football clubs

seesaw50 wrote: Some of this doesn`t add up

So AJ stops topping up the bank account yet personally funds Proctor`s wages AND pays for overnight hotel bills to help "preparation" for crucial games in the south. And somebody paid for flying the team to Exeter.

What does it all mean.?

I dont think anybodys ever said Jenkins has been paying Proctors wages because he hasnt or anyone elses for that matter, what he did was inject a small amount into the finances which meant the potocol; figure was pushed upwards just enough that Liddles wages would fit inside it.Shortly afterwards Wykes wages came off the bill which meant we were able to sign Proctor and Waring and then the first payment from Bradford came thru which meant we were able to sign the stable of one trick ponies that any agent could foist on us

The issues of the playing budget werent really linked to the the increasing level of debt and cash flow problems more to do with being right up against the Protocol limit.

Hopefully the EWM credit facility will take care of the latter and 3 good cup run could go a long way to alleviating the former if only for a season or so as its pretty clear they totally wasted the last unplanned windfall they got.

seesaw50 wrote: Why would a debt of £733 get as far as a CCJ for gods sake

Because people [ usually women ] who work as credit controllers find it easier to reach for the County Court website in Northampton than to go down to the company concerned with a couple of big lads and sit there till you get paid

Laffy wrote: Memo to myself-I must not get involved in football clubs

I wouldn't say that Laffy, even if you got the club, tried and failed then you would have done it with clear dialogue and would have got most people onside.

What most people cannot stand is the way the club is at the minute, all sneaky and unexplained stuff going on and pizza billionaires.

Never a good thing when the owners resent the fans and the fans resent the owners - it will end in tears.

People respect transparency.

Dazwacky wrote: These are the outstanding ones!! wonder what sort of figure it would require to settle all????

Mortgage Details
Mortgage Type:
Date Charge Created: 15/03/17
Date Charge Registered: 17/03/17
Date Charge Satisfied: -
Status: OUTSTANDING
Person(s) Entitled: THE EDINBURGH WOOLLEN MILL LIMITED;
Amount Secured:
Details: BRUNTON PARK, WARWICK ROAD, CARLISLE, AND LAND ON THE WEST OF BRUNTON PARK, WARWICK ROAD, CARLISLE AND LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WARWICK ROAD, CARLISLE UNDER TITLE NUMBERS CU119715, CU218033 AND CU288354.CONTAINS FIXED CHARGE.CONTAINS FLOATING CHARGE.CONTAINS NEGATIVE PLEDGE.
Mortgage Type: LEGAL CHARGE
Date Charge Created: 30/01/13
Date Charge Registered: 01/02/13
Date Charge Satisfied: -
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Person(s) Entitled: CUMBERLAND BUILDING SOCIETY (THE SOCIETY)
Amount Secured: ALL MONIES DUE OR TO BECOME DUE FROM THE COMPANY TO THE CHARGEE ON ANY ACCOUNT WHATSOEVER UNDER THETERMS OF THE AFOREMENTIONED INSTRUMENT CREATING OR EVIDENCING THE CHARGE
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Mortgage Type: DEED OF CHARGE OVER DEPOSIT
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Date Charge Registered: 17/11/07
Date Charge Satisfied: -
Status: OUTSTANDING
Person(s) Entitled: THE GOVERNOR AND COMPANY OF THE BANK OF SCOTLAND
Amount Secured: ALL MONIES DUE OR TO BECOME DUE FROM THE COMPANY TO THE CHARGEE ON ANY ACCOUNT WHATSOEVER
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Mortgage Type: LEGAL CHARGE
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Date Charge Registered: 03/10/07
Date Charge Satisfied: -
Status: OUTSTANDING
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Mortgage Type: RENT DEPOSIT DEED
Date Charge Created: 03/10/06
Date Charge Registered: 12/10/06
Date Charge Satisfied: -
Status: OUTSTANDING
Person(s) Entitled: CGNU LIFE ASSURANCE LIMITED
Amount Secured: ALL MONIES DUE OR TO BECOME DUE FROM THE COMPANY TO THE CHARGEE UNDER THE TERMSOF THE AFOREMENTIONEDINSTRUMENT CREATING OR EVIDENCING THE CHARGE
Details: THE SUM FROM TIME TO TIME STANDING TO THE CREDIT OF A DEPOSIT ACCOUNT AND ALL INTEREST AND OTHER SUMS SEE THE MORTGAGE CHARGE DOCUMENT FOR FULL DETAILS

Nothing there to worry about really we know all about the EWM charge on the ground theres a couple of mortgages on a couple of the houses as youd expect.

The 18k CCJ is interesting and would be good to know who/what that is ?

If you really want to beat yourself up get the last two sets of accounts and see the horrendous increase in the amount owed to creditors up from less than 100k to over 900k if i remember correctly which means that effectively the most recent accounts were 800k worse than they made out

Laffy wrote: Memo to myself-I must not get involved in football clubs

No Laffy people like you should get involved

Where you go wrong is in not embracing Fan Ownership where in exchange for you not having total power the people putting the money in dont want it back all they want is to see it used to good effect on the pitch and if it is they will put even more in.which they wont want back.

I would of thought that would be a model that would be right up your street

Alan wrote: Wonder when John is going to ask for his 20k back?

The 20k paid back is absolutely the last thng that Nixon would want.

I'm warming to your position but more of a hybrid with the likes of me and others working with fans too.

I never expected to see any money returned from my proposal-it was going in a long term equity.If we got money back,it meant we were successful which is what we all want.

Most guys simply want to do their bit for the Club and community-a bit like buying a brick in the Stadium of Light with your name on it.

It's a shame when you think that the likes of Scowcroft, Day, Tinkler, Story and numerous wealthy people are from or live in Cumbria. That a cooperative couldn't be formed with the fans on board to invest time money and business nous to finally drag the club into the present.

We know certain parties have tried to do just that and perhaps many more we don`t know about have approached the club, it`s the intransigence of the present owners that`s holding the club back.

People need to do a bit of investigation instead of listening to the club all the time to get the real story.

In December monthly payments to players/staff were paid but not the agreed yearly bonuses as these were delayed due to cash flow problems. It's no surprise this coincided with a loss of form, it's why I was so pissed off with the players but hey ho.

In March the club were up shit creek. No billionaire and enough ccjs to wall paper the east stand. We were bankrupt hence the panic call to EWM.

That was it for the three then no more power. It's just a matter of time to EWM get the power as they won't accept this. I'd expect something 1st July the turn of the new clubs financial year.

The noise from the club is positive and no mention of this. With the trust having 2 board members they should tell us more but they will have to play the clubs hand.

I don't blame the players if they never got what they were supposed to have, would you not be pissed off?