Gillespie Moves On

Gone

Edited title Mullen...

Desserting a sinking ship...

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Good Luck to him, but I'm not sad to see him move.
Too many mistakes to be reliable, doesn't command his area enough to give a defence confidence.

Maybe with a decent coach behind him he can improve, he does some good things, just a shame they're frequently undone by his cock-ups.

That's now 3 players , all of them league 2 quality turing down contracts , This shows we have a serious deep lying problem

Several teams interested seemingly, at least a couple in L1...

Be very interested where he ends up?? Used to rate him, but just cannot command his area, and thats not good for a keeper. Good luck to him.

Happyblue wrote: That's now 3 players , all of them league 2 quality turing down contracts , This shows we have a serious deep lying problem

Spine of a team too - Gillespie, Raynes, Ibehre...

While I don't believe it will be too difficult to replace him, a third player to leave the club having been offered a deal is disappointing, if not a little worrying.

Could really do with some new faces in the door soon.

Was easily our longest serving player. Grainger picks that up now...

CCU wrote:

Happyblue wrote: That's now 3 players , all of them league 2 quality turing down contracts , This shows we have a serious deep lying problem

Spine of a team too - Gillespie, Raynes, Ibehre...

Three top earners as well who no doubt will be replaced by younger cheaper players to get within the reduced playing budget.

i suppose its disappointing that our own players are turning down contracts, but the only one I'm really gutted about is Jabo. Raynes and Gillespie will be easier to replace imo.

Out of all of them though, Kennedy was the one I was most worried about leaving, thankfully he's signed. He makes a huge difference for us.

Happyblue wrote: That's now 3 players , all of them league 2 quality turing down contracts , This shows we have a serious deep lying problem

Take into account Jabo's reasons for leaving, Raynes at his age heading for a potential 3 year deal and Gillespie potentially getting a crack with a higher level club, I reckon "a serious deep lying problem" is stretching things a touch.

If he goes somewhere with a decent coach and a defence in front of him that doesn't contribute to the team conceding 70+ goals a season then he'll fulfill the potential he had and play at a higher level. Since Simon Tracey came in two years ago he's stopped progressing and has possibly even got worse than he was when he first started playing in League One. He's never had a settled back four in front of him and while he has limitations and has been responsible for more than his fair share of errors in the last couple of seasons, you have to wonder how much of that is down to a lack of confidence brought on by playing behind some terrible defenders and/or a lack of guidance from above. Unless you're Man United and have a goalkeeper like De Gea to bail out your poor defence, there's only so much a goalkeeper at this level can do. Moving on is the best thing for both parties because there is a talented player in there, but he's never going to be able to show that here. He needs to move on for the sake of his own career and we need to sort the dire defensive situation out.

Good luck to the lad, always a shame to see a player who's been at the club so long leave.

However, think this is the best move for both the club and the player. We've conceded far too many goals in the last 4/5 seasons and he's been our 1st choice for that entire period. If he hadn't been from our academy I think fans would've lost faith with him a few season ago.

Interesting as I can't remember the last time we had to sign 2 new keepers over the summer? Might be easier to entice a higher calibre of keeper here with Mark gone as they know they'd be guaranteed the No.1 shirt.

Looking at the retained and released lists of other clubs,no keepers stand out as replacements , shame the news came so late as we maybe could have looked at Trevor Carson.
Edited to add
I know that
Lee camp
John Ruddy
Anders Lindegaard
Are all available just think they would be highly unlikely

He had massive potential, it's a shame he hasn't kicked on in League 2.

I think it was best for both parties that he moved on being honest. He'll always be Carlisle at heart, best of luck to him is unanimous.

I'm confident Bailey will sign. The guy can't exactly go any higher but he might be waiting on his best mate in Brisley to get the nod that he won't be sold and then sign the deal on the table.

Maybe Ben Alnwick fancies a move here from Bolton?

It has to be the goalie coaches fault hasn't it. Can't possibly be owt to do with the player.

Baileys annoying me now, we gave him a chance and he should've jumped at the deal, no one else will take him. Curle doesn't like being kept waiting, another few days and he will tell him to stuff it. Unless Gillespie's going to a L1 club or a potentially bigger L2 club Luton/Coventry/Notts county/Swindon then its a pointless move

Dean Henderson?

thegaffa wrote: Dean Henderson?

Would be an unbelievable signing (on a loan obviously) but can't see him coming back down to L2 when they recalled him from Grimsby?

Bang average league 2 player who has not progressed (I thought that about Adam Collin as well mind!)
Ross Turnbull, champions league winner no less, is available, but may be aiming at a higher league.
He would be the communicator that the team/defence is sadly missing.

We must be offering rubbish contracts but not sorry to see him go. Hopefully we'll have a new back 5 by August.

pedals wrote: If he goes somewhere with a decent coach and a defence in front of him that doesn't contribute to the team conceding 70+ goals a season then he'll fulfill the potential he had and play at a higher level. Since Simon Tracey came in two years ago he's stopped progressing and has possibly even got worse than he was when he first started playing in League One. He's never had a settled back four in front of him and while he has limitations and has been responsible for more than his fair share of errors in the last couple of seasons, you have to wonder how much of that is down to a lack of confidence brought on by playing behind some terrible defenders and/or a lack of guidance from above. Unless you're Man United and have a goalkeeper like De Gea to bail out your poor defence, there's only so much a goalkeeper at this level can do. Moving on is the best thing for both parties because there is a talented player in there, but he's never going to be able to show that here. He needs to move on for the sake of his own career and we need to sort the dire defensive situation out.

Given that there were several times he just didn't shout to his defence or worse still, had shots simply go through him, there's only so much a poor defence can take the flack for too, IMO he had as bigger hand in our leaky defence as any other player in it.
He was simply too weak.
Your point about Tracey is valid though, I'd agree that he went backwards after his appointment which is worrying for the future too.

I've said it before, we need a quality old head in that department.
We should have been sounding out people like Steve Harper before he retired to see if he'd take it on. That's the sort of player we need in for a year or so at the end of their career, think Mervyn Day types.
Trouble is nowadays that those players don't need to play on past the premier league days and the lower divisions are worse off for it.
I think it's half the issue why we haven't many home grown players, there's no quality dropping the leagues and giving the benefit of their career learning to young up-and-coming players at our level.

I'm as to see him go-always rated the guy and let's face it he like the boy with a finger in the dyke with some of our defensive displays

Laffy wrote: I'm as to see him go-always rated the guy and let's face it he like the boy with a finger in the dyke with some of our defensive displays

Laffy now offends the LBGT community.

Laffy wrote: I'm as to see him go-always rated the guy and let's face it he like the boy with a finger in the dyke with some of our defensive displays

What ?

I set them up-you tell them

Goals against in the league since 2012/13 when Gillespie broke into the starting 11.
12/13 - 77
13/14 - 76
14/15 - 74
15/16 - 62
16/17 - 68

Let's not forget the utter dross that was playing in front of him for much of the time.Pickford at Sunderland will have similar stats but he is going to the Arsenal.

Harper is looking for one last hurrah.. despite his age he is still a quality keeper...

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markredfox73 wrote: Harper is looking for one last hurrah.. despite his age he is still a quality keeper...

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Kept himself quite fit too by all accounts, absolutely the right type of player and since he could stay at home and be back on his beloved golf course in no time after training you'd think we could offer an option...wages may be an issue though.

Happyblue wrote:

Laffy wrote: I'm as to see him go-always rated the guy and let's face it he like the boy with a finger in the dyke with some of our defensive displays

What ?

Time to give up when Happyblue pulls you up on your grammar

We have to get 1 experienced keeper in, Maybe the other could be a young lad released from higher who could learn for a year.

Harper would be excellent. a few our of contract names.

Sam Slocombe, David Forde, Scott Loach, Adam Smith, Bobby Olejnik, Dean Brill, Benjamin Buchel.

People always remember the mistakes, they never remember the great performances , people will remember the 2 mistakes against Exeter in the first leg , they will forget the fantastic saves in the second half and the brilliant saves in second leg.

We're in league 2 big reason why keepers are in league 2 that's they are either totally useless or they make mistakes. You get the rare occasion were we see a fantastic goalkeeper with everything they are normally on loan from the premier league . Interesting people talk about Pickford I can remember people on the forums and Twitter saying he was crap as well.

Happyblue wrote: People always remember the mistakes, they never remember the great performances , people will remember the 2 mistakes against Exeter in the first leg , they will forget the fantastic saves in the second half and the brilliant saves in second leg.

We're in league 2 big reason why keepers are in league 2 that's they are either totally useless or they make mistakes. You get the rare occasion were we see a fantastic goalkeeper with everything they are normally on loan from the premier league . Interesting people talk about Pickford I can remember people on the forums and Twitter saying he was crap as well.

Too right, I'll remember that mistake against Notts County for a long time.

Edited: Just remembered the first goal was his fault also

I'd be off as well if the defence next season is gan to be Miller, Ellis, Brisley and Grainger.

Best of luck Mark.

Keeper is the number one position for me if we want success.Age is not important but experience is. Surely we can find the right guy somewhere. Laffy is there anyone in Scotland?

shaldon1 wrote: Keeper is the number one position for me if we want success.Age is not important but experience is. Surely we can find the right guy somewhere. Laffy is there anyone in Scotland?

Alan Rough

I've always got the impression (not that I know him) that MG thinks he is too good for us. Hope for his sake this isn't going to be another Zoko like saga where he can't get a deal then ends up having to take a poor offer. As for us we can do better.

If Curle has offered Bailey £30k and Bailey is swithering withdraw the offer, another player we can do better than and I would use the money to bring in someone on loan

Happyblue wrote: That's now 3 players , all of them league 2 quality turing down contracts , This shows we have a serious deep lying problem

It certainly does especially the way its come about usually when a player rejects a contract you get him back in and see how far apart you are but no none on that here

And if you listen to what the Crewe fans are saying Raynes had been speaking to them for 6 weeks.

CCU wrote: Several teams interested seemingly, at least a couple in L1...

Maybe somebody should put together a golden howlers loop for the attention of any interested clubs fans.

chesterviabothel wrote:

Happyblue wrote: That's now 3 players , all of them league 2 quality turing down contracts , This shows we have a serious deep lying problem

Take into account Jabo's reasons for leaving, Raynes at his age heading for a potential 3 year deal and Gillespie potentially getting a crack with a higher level club, I reckon "a serious deep lying problem" is stretching things a touch.

So if a 2 year plus 1 option was so important to Raynes why not just tell the ENS and hey Presto Curle would of had to come out and show his true colours then.

Crewe fans are saying hes been talking to them for 6 weeks

There is clearly some serious shit going on at the club maybe somebody who works there will grow a pair and tell the fans what it is.

Its not really about who the players were and whether you think they were tidy or crap its about the way these 3 players left with no attempt to fight to keep them. Now it may be that Curle wanted rid but if so why go thru the pantomime of offering them contracts he clearly knew they wouldnt accept.

Certainly doesnt have the look of a club about to be taken over by multi million pound profit making company to me me. Does it to you ?

I don't think he was too keen on Curle by all accounts.

Did you not read the interview nobby?

I think he needed to move on and so did the club. Not too fussed and he didn't really progress over the last two years since Tracey came in. Looking at the Keepers previously signed by the current management team (Hanford&Crocombe;) I dread to think who they'll end up signing from the bottom of the bargain bin.

I think we'll probably end up getting an untried teenager on a season long loan from a club in the top two divisions

Wukkie wrote: I think he needed to move on and so did the club. Not too fussed and he didn't really progress over the last two years since Tracey came in. Looking at the Keepers previously signed by the current management team (Hanford&Crocombe;) I dread to think who they'll end up signing from the bottom of the bargain bin.

I think we'll probably end up getting an untried teenager on a season long loan from a club in the top two divisions

Crocombe signed on a reserve keeper's wage. Been a long time since we have signed a first team keeper permanently, Lenny Pidgeley? Ben Williams?

Always tried to take the cheap option with the back up keeper.

Kavanagh signed Hanford