December 2019 General Election Thread

When my daughters had their horses stabled near hexham there was a tory mp who kept his at the same place. I asked him once, why would poor People ever vote tory, benefits cuts, nhs cuts etc. His answer, Darwinism. Its god's way of weeding out the weak. Not wrong is he alge?

Hopefully, the tories will win in Cumbria and you move back there. My personal election goal, to get you home to England, where you belong.


Video: Boris Johnson booed out of Addenbrooke’s hospital

Another Boris running away video
Agitated PM flees angry NHS staff, patients and supporters. Establishment media reports visit as if it didn’t happen

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As I said earlier, the Labour Party are going to play the NHS card over and over again-Marko is happy to oblige.

Yet it was the Labour Party who privatised the NHS with their fixation with PFI and blew their brains.

Not dying is quite high on most peoples priorities. I think education is number 1 from memory but thats been donald ducked so no relief for blow job there.

Experiment 25 is all going to come True

Having just watched Barry Gardner on BBC, we are in for 6 weeks of NHS football.The claims are quite outrageous and will turn people off-playing on insecurity is poor in the extreme.

The NHS is a national asset-take it out of politics.But that would hurt Labour with no football to play with.

Trump sticking the boot into Bozo's deal on a phone in with Farage

Brexiteers like Alan need to show some courage and start backing the Brexit party rather than diet brexit from the Tories

Markovitch wrote: Not dying is quite high on most peoples priorities. I think education is number 1 from memory but thats been donald ducked so no relief for blow job there.

Experiment 25 is all going to come True

Please stop using terms like "blow job" and "alge", it's embarrassing.

So Little Nippy and the poison dwarf is fine but blow job and Alge isn't? Really? Come to our country and try to destroy the NHS or sit on your arse all day sponging but use your time to write how you hate the Scots you get what you [censored] deserve. If any of these [censored] want respect they can [censored] earn it. If you need any clarification I'll be happy to give it

Fine, they're embarrassing too.

I suppose the difference is that I agree with quite a lot of what you say, and then you use those terms and what you've said loses credibility.

It's like those freaks that stand outside parliament shouting "STOOOOOPPPPPPPP BREEEEXXXXIIIIIIITTTT" all day, every day. I might be on the same side of the debate as them, but my God, do they need to grow up and pack that in.

NHS off the electioneering agenda? Fine. That would save Boris the embarrassment of sneaking into hospitals to promote his "40" new hospital program and getting harangued by NHS staff.

What is the point in voting at all. The Referendum showed us that it doesnt matter a toss.

Double standards are a constant problem we have on here. Just look at the thread on the poor man who died on the chimney. The list of people bemoaning the standard of mental health care in Cumbria is almost man for man the same as the people posting in favour of the Tories, the party who have slashed funding for ... mental health services. I mean is it really that hard to make links?

I lived abroad for 20 years. The country I have come back to is not the same prosperous, ambitious, confident place I left last century. Another 5 years of this will just make it worse and,to be honest, its difficult not to think its deserved. Unemployed people voting for a party that freezes benefits for 9 years. I must have been off school when we did this

Markovitch wrote: Double standards are a constant problem we have on here. Just look at the thread on the poor man who died on the chimney. The list of people bemoaning the standard of mental health care in Cumbria is almost man for man the same as the people posting in favour of the Tories, the party who have slashed funding for ... mental health services. I mean is it really that hard to make links?

I lived abroad for 20 years. The country I have come back to is not the same prosperous, ambitious, confident place I left last century. Another 5 years of this will just make it worse and,to be honest, its difficult not to think its deserved. Unemployed people voting for a party that freezes benefits for 9 years. I must have been off school when we did this

To keep it on a local theme, I have just been reading on the BBC website about a man from Carlisle whose daughter has gained access,through the NSH to the new Cystic Fibrosis drug, which is going to make life changing differences to all sufferers.

The SNP have done a deal with the manufacurer to help the 400 sufferers in Scotland.

Three guesses where this drug comes from. The demon USA, whose pharmecutical companies Jezza is going to ban.

Just remind you prospective Labour candidate of this fact when they come knocking, I know I will.

Hi which drug is this that you are talking about?

I believe it's Orkambi? The one the NHS has just done a deal on, following Corbyn citing it in his Conference speech and supporting the campaign to make it affordable?

I think labour intend to reform the pharmaceutical market process rather than just "ban" drugs from the "demon" USA?

sirjimmyglass wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Not dying is quite high on most peoples priorities. I think education is number 1 from memory but thats been donald ducked so no relief for blow job there.

Experiment 25 is all going to come True

Please stop using terms like "blow job" and "alge", it's embarrassing.

Can I also add Elvis, barcodes, nobbers, curly Keith, dog botherers, liverpoo.

Curly Keith stays - I find that to be quite affectionate towards him rather than the other, churlish ones you mention.

Markovitch wrote: Double standards are a constant problem we have on here. Just look at the thread on the poor man who died on the chimney. The list of people bemoaning the standard of mental health care in Cumbria is almost man for man the same as the people posting in favour of the Tories, the party who have slashed funding for ... mental health services. I mean is it really that hard to make links?

I lived abroad for 20 years. The country I have come back to is not the same prosperous, ambitious, confident place I left last century. Another 5 years of this will just make it worse and,to be honest, its difficult not to think its deserved. Unemployed people voting for a party that freezes benefits for 9 years. I must have been off school when we did this

.............well you know what to do then.

So for 20 years, you were abroad, presumably not paying taxes or voting in the U.K.? Which 20 years were you abroad?

Markovitch wrote: When my daughters had their horses stabled near hexham there was a tory mp who kept his at the same place. I asked him once, why would poor People ever vote tory, benefits cuts, nhs cuts etc. His answer, Darwinism. Its god's way of weeding out the weak. Not wrong is he alge?

Hopefully, the tories will win in Cumbria and you move back there. My personal election goal, to get you home to England, where you belong.


Video: Boris Johnson booed out of Addenbrooke’s hospital

Another Boris running away video
Agitated PM flees angry NHS staff, patients and supporters. Establishment media reports visit as if it didn’t happen

skwawkbox.org/2019/10/31/video-boris-joh...FFpNFHaTH7gRID8ob5dQ

Can just see it now an uglier version of John Nixon
With an Ian Blackford/Screech Owl hybrid voice approaching some poor fella wanting to tend to his horses only for marko the insufferable [censored] to want to talk about work.
He's probably said anything to get rid tbf.

melbourneblues wrote:

sirjimmyglass wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Not dying is quite high on most peoples priorities. I think education is number 1 from memory but thats been donald ducked so no relief for blow job there.

Experiment 25 is all going to come True

Please stop using terms like "blow job" and "alge", it's embarrassing.

Can I also add Elvis, barcodes, nobbers, curly Keith, dog botherers, liverpoo.

Agree with all of the above but can we keep bellend road.

Can’t get my head round anyone other than the wealthy voting Tory. Corbyn is getting a lot of stick and yet Boris the clown gets away with much worse and some folk are holding him up as the messiah, unbelievable.
We should sack most of the self interested politicians and start from scratch with genuine people employed by the public to truly represent us and not just their own ambitions and back pockets.
Another five years of Tory rule and the country will be beyond repair and very much under the control of the Americans, so much for taking back control.

pacirv wrote: Can’t get my head round anyone other than the wealthy voting Tory. Corbyn is getting a lot of stick and yet Boris the clown gets away with much worse and some folk are holding him up as the messiah, unbelievable.
We should sack most of the self interested politicians and start from scratch with genuine people employed by the public to truly represent us and not just their own ambitions and back pockets.
Another five years of Tory rule and the country will be beyond repair and very much under the control of the Americans, so much for taking back control.

Couldn't agree more (Corbyn is an abysmal politician too though)
The only party willing to change the system is the Liberals.
They're the only one's proposing Proportional Representation as their preferred system
It's also the only fair system and one whereby politicians have to work together instead of the party political rumpus we have...5 years of change followed by 5 years of undoing all again, it's a system where MP's have to represent their constituents and the only way they can stay as an MP is to work for the common good.
It wipes out the 'self servers' in one go.

I can't understand the Labour cry of the NHS being dead if the Tory's are in power though, it's been under Tory rule for far longer than it has Labour.
The last Labour regime sold large chunks of it to private finance, outsourced several major services such as cleaning (Dramatic rise of MRSA, C-Diff actually coincides with this)
They quietly closed Mental Health and Primary care facilities under the pretence they'd be dealt with more efficiently in the community, cut Primary care jobs by accident as a result while simultaneously almost bankrupting the whole show by forcing through ill-advised reforms they were repeatedly warned were damaging, expensive and would achieve very little (NHS Plan, National Service Frameworks, Targets culture etc...)

At one stage with their targets nobody knew what was expected or how to achieve them anyway, then they were fined for not achieving targets!
The poorest most stretched trusts were robbed of much needed budget cash for underperforming....total insanity.

Not sure where the idea that Labour are the keepers of the NHS comes from after that...? But it wasn't Jeremy, It was 'Champagne Socialists' apparently (like there's a difference)

There was a referendum on PR voting, as part of the coalition agreement. It lost.

Markovitch wrote: So Little Nippy and the poison dwarf is fine but blow job and Alge isn't? Really? Come to our country and try to destroy the NHS or sit on your arse all day sponging but use your time to write how you hate the Scots you get what you [censored] deserve. If any of these [censored] want respect they can [censored] earn it. If you need any clarification I'll be happy to give it

Marko - is the NHS not develoved power in Scotland? Genuine question based on the carry on about the cystic fibrosis drug and Scotland getting a worse deal than England.

Markovitch wrote: Double standards are a constant problem we have on here. Just look at the thread on the poor man who died on the chimney. The list of people bemoaning the standard of mental health care in Cumbria is almost man for man the same as the people posting in favour of the Tories, the party who have slashed funding for ... mental health services. I mean is it really that hard to make links?

I lived abroad for 20 years. The country I have come back to is not the same prosperous, ambitious, confident place I left last century. Another 5 years of this will just make it worse and,to be honest, its difficult not to think its deserved. Unemployed people voting for a party that freezes benefits for 9 years. I must have been off school when we did this

Well done Marko using a local recent tragedy of a fella known to many as a political football when the thread in question was already closed for sensitive reasons.

A new low even for you and that takes some doing.

Mods
Can you take that post down I don't mind the dogs abuse sent in my direction
But got bad taste from that post.

howoldboy wrote:

Taffy-P wrote: Simple guide who to vote for

If your a millionaire or stupid vote Conservative

The rest of us vote Labour

That covers Laffy and Alan.

Is Alan a millionaire ?

Is Laffy ?

Ask Patty

Disappointed in Marko-cheap shot but given the Marxist campaign is about ‘trust’ and ‘not for sale’, I expect a lot of below belt blows.I myself prefer to stick to facts-anti Semite, terrorist supporting Marxists -look no further than the Labour chairman Ian Lavery. Convicted Newcastle Utd football hooligan with some serious questions to ask about his dodgy mortgage dealings whilst head of the NUM.And Corbyn has the cheek to ridicule Ashley for his running of the football club.Last time I looked,Mike was in for at least £300m of his own cash!

Sorry about the wretched voice





Doesn't our own Mr double standards like ramble on about arms and innocents being murdered.

Looks like his pal likes a bit of blood money too.

Mud slinging getting well underway already.
People in glasshouses...………...

Anti-Semite indeed

The Labour Party - For the many, not the Jew

Dancingbear marra you have a big point...I would vote tory but they have stuck the stadium blocker in as a candidate...making it a dilemna between them and brexit party for me and many others... IF Jenkinson comes up with definitive plan B project in next 6 weeks then maybe i vote for him...labour nee chance so if they knock on my door they will be told to foxtrot oscar

Oh and I am maryport man ...not workington man lol

All this selling off to yanks is bollocks..as its been said doing meds deals with their firms maybe cheaper in long run and ok as cystic fibrosis meds deals have been done..that great.saving lives matters here.. As long as it stays that way.. .and there is no other motive. No government would surely be foolish enough to sell souls to a private system for all.

markredfox73 wrote: All this selling off to yanks is bollocks..as its been said doing meds deals with their firms maybe cheaper in long run and ok as cystic fibrosis meds deals have been done..that great.saving lives matters here.. As long as it stays that way.. .and there is no other motive. No government would surely be foolish enough to sell souls to a private system for all.

Studies find that privatised medicine and health care work out far more costly . It's an argument time after time. It's not like other industries if a the bakery put up the price of bread you can always find a new bakery. If a drug company is the only company allowed to make a drug then they can do what they want.

Although as governments are often ran by the people who have investment funds linked to it they would be stupid not to invest , As the best thing about being in government you can do the things which skew others up and not yourself.

You have to give David Cameron credit , He'll go down as creating one of the greatest sh!t storms in the history of British politics.

One Brexit vote , two elections and a country not just divided in half.

So are we allowed to call Alan snowflake? Every time anyone posts anything he doesn't agree he trots to the mods like a teenage girl blubbing about it being distasteful.

According to Cambridge University the policies of the current Government are responsible for 120k deaths. The UN has accused the Government of violating its human rights obligations. Therefore, according to these organisations, if you vote for the Government you are enabling this situation. Why can't we discuss that. It's fine to kill people but discussing it is somehow unsavoury?? Are in the Womens Institute or something? If you are uncomfortable with unnecessary deaths then don't vote for them. If you are comfortable then fine, but don't hide behind faux outrage to avoid unpleasant questions that (according to leading specialists) your actions are causing- take some responsibility, instead of wendying out of it. And please please don't address every failing with, yes, but but Corbyn- no less embarrassing than blow job or Alge

Happyblue wrote: You have to give David Cameron credit , He'll go down as creating one of the greatest sh!t storms in the history of British politics.

One Brexit vote , two elections and a country not just divided in half.

The interesting thing is Cameron just chucked in the idea of a referendum to try and quell a bit of unrest in the Tory party from the likes of John Redwood. As the most out of touch British prime minister since the early 1960s Cameron had little idea of what ordinary people across England actually thought about immigration and the EU. The referendum gave people the chance to express their views and it exposed a fault line not seen since the English Civil War.

Just like Neville Chamberlain is remembered for his attempt to appease Hitler, Cameron's historical legacy will be the fracture of British politics and the beginning of the break-up of the United Kingdom. That's some achievement for a girly swot Centrist PM.

Markovitch wrote: So are we allowed to call Alan snowflake? Every time anyone posts anything he doesn't agree he trots to the mods like a teenage girl blubbing about it being distasteful.

According to Cambridge University the policies of the current Government are responsible for 120k deaths. The UN has accused the Government of violating its human rights obligations. Therefore, according to these organisations, if you vote for the Government you are enabling this situation. Why can't we discuss that. It's fine to kill people but discussing it is somehow unsavoury?? Are in the Womens Institute or something? If you are uncomfortable with unnecessary deaths then don't vote for them. If you are comfortable then fine, but don't hide behind faux outrage to avoid unpleasant questions that (according to leading specialists) your actions are causing- take some responsibility, instead of wendying out of it. And please please don't address every failing with, yes, but but Corbyn- no less embarrassing than blow job or Alge

Call me whatever you like but please don't use an incident you don't know diddly squat about to get a point over.
It makes you look a bigger tit than you already are.

Quote of the day.

Good description of you tbf Marko.


"if you drew a Venn Diagram Of MPs who are unpleasant, MPs with massively oversized egos, MPs who are thick as mince, MPs who are bullies, MPs who sound like a stuck record & MPs who are liars then sitting at the intersection of all of these would be Ian Blackford"

Marko-the reason we had austerity was entirely down to your Supreme Leader Gordon Brown-he literally tan out of money and road after promising no more boom and bust.

2008 and the financial crisis seems to have been airbrushed out of history-convenient for all responsible.Blame the bankers but New Labour were entirely happy to mix with them and use their taxes to fund the spending binge.

I blame the arrogance of Labour for the rise of the SNP and Farage.After decades of taking their core support for granted, the voters in those areas-central belt if Scotland, northern industrial towns, they turned against the vacuum and voted for hope-both Farage and the SNP offered hope in big measure and when you are on the bottom of the ladder and neglected, you vote for it-no choice.

So where were you Marko when the Scottish Labour Party we’re corrupt, ineffective and putting up monkeys with red rosettes?Look at Glasgow East where the average life expectancy for a male is sub 60-a Labour heartland for decades.Who is responsible?Is this a Tory problem and if so, why?

Aye, the global financial crisis was entirely Gordon Brown's fault.

I didn’t say that but his light touch City regulation and active encouragement to borrow, borrow, borrow, was a major factor.He also attempted to gerrymander the labour vote by opening the immigration floodgates.Couple that with the persuasive argument that he had abolished boom and bust and you have a perfect environment for debt fuelled exuberance

The imf and the world Bank both told Osborne in 2012 that austerity was not an appropriate policy for Britain. The WB estimated that the economic multiplier for Britain was as high as 1.6. In other words every pound spent generated £1.60 back. Osborne chose to ignore them as did Howard. Only when trump and Clinton both started on about spending out of recession did may pipe up. Austerity was a deliberate policy of the tories to force down wages and another proven tory failure It was nothing to do with Labour. But as always oooh Corbyn, reflex twitch

sirjimmyglass wrote: Aye, the global financial crisis was entirely Gordon Brown's fault.

Gordon Brown lost the plot.

He started off, for about six months saying the global financial crisis was created by the US subprime market, then laterly he dropped the US bit,
no doubt after a warning from Obama.

The then went though a period of breaking out into an inane grin without any reason, like full on Eric Morecambe.

carwash wrote:

Happyblue wrote: You have to give David Cameron credit , He'll go down as creating one of the greatest sh!t storms in the history of British politics.

One Brexit vote , two elections and a country not just divided in half.

The interesting thing is Cameron just chucked in the idea of a referendum to try and quell a bit of unrest in the Tory party from the likes of John Redwood. As the most out of touch British prime minister since the early 1960s Cameron had little idea of what ordinary people across England actually thought about immigration and the EU. The referendum gave people the chance to express their views and it exposed a fault line not seen since the English Civil War.

Just like Neville Chamberlain is remembered for his attempt to appease Hitler, Cameron's historical legacy will be the fracture of British politics and the beginning of the break-up of the United Kingdom. That's some achievement for a girly swot Centrist PM.

I feel quite sorry for Chamberlain as people don't realise why he went for appeasement as our military wasn't ready as Germany had spent the last 6 years rebuilding ,He knew war was coming and was just trying to make time to rebuild the Military for the war. It failed dramatically as Hitler paid it no attention.

Where as Ramsey McDonald did nothing while Hitler repeatedly broke the treaty of Versailles repeatedly and no one remembers his lack of action

Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

sirjimmyglass wrote: Aye, the global financial crisis was entirely Gordon Brown's fault.

Gordon Brown lost the plot.

He started off, for about six months saying the global financial crisis was created by the US subprime market, then laterly he dropped the US bit,
no doubt after a warning from Obama.

The then went though a period of breaking out into an inane grin without any reason, like full on Eric Morecambe.

Gordon Brown was crucial in restoring the world economy, it was his idea which other counties copied and their economies grew far faster than ours from worse situation , Although people like Laffy will still blame labour for the world crashed economy knowing well that what caused it was subprime bonds private market, This had been going on for decades during both conservative and labour governments.

Markovitch wrote: The imf and the world Bank both told Osborne in 2012 that austerity was not an appropriate policy for Britain. The WB estimated that the economic multiplier for Britain was as high as 1.6. In other words every pound spent generated £1.60 back. Osborne chose to ignore them as did Howard. Only when trump and Clinton both started on about spending out of recession did may pipe up. Austerity was a deliberate policy of the tories to force down wages and another proven tory failure It was nothing to do with Labour. But as always oooh Corbyn, reflex twitch

Nothing to do with Labour:

Quote:

"Dear Chief Secretary. I'm afraid there is no money. With regards and good luck "

Danny Alexander 6th April 2010.

Happyblue wrote:

Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

sirjimmyglass wrote: Aye, the global financial crisis was entirely Gordon Brown's fault.

Gordon Brown lost the plot.

He started off, for about six months saying the global financial crisis was created by the US subprime market, then laterly he dropped the US bit,
no doubt after a warning from Obama.

The then went though a period of breaking out into an inane grin without any reason, like full on Eric Morecambe.

Gordon Brown was crucial in restoring the world economy, it was his idea which other counties copied and their economies grew far faster than ours from worse situation , Although people like Laffy will still blame labour for the world crashed economy knowing well that what caused it was subprime bonds private market, This had been going on for decades during both conservative and labour governments.

Gordon Brown sold the family silver and singlehandedly killed final salary pensions and the prospects for many nearing retirement.

He also placed many Company schemes in massive deficit, most of which, still are today.

He then used our money to bail out a bunch of greedy wanking-bankers who should have been given a long walk off a short plank !