TOPIC: Thoughts on carlisle playing at Preston ?

Seem to remember losing to Shrewsbury 4--3 2nd replay in league cup at Deepdale in late sixties may have been FA cup on second thought, good crowd that night no crowd trouble , hopefully we'll win this one.

FA Cup 2nd Replay 1 game drew Replay drew so in the days you played again before Penalties shoot outs

Virgin as our sponsor should definitely put on a football train for this one and make some kind of gesture. Preston would have been my 3rd choice after Workington and Morecambe. Morecambe are away a week saturday - surprised they didn't offer as they did last time - would have been a better atmosphere in a more compact ground. On the plus side for revenue there will be more Notts County fans. Pretty much half way between Nottingham and Carlisle.

Aye late own goal from Shrewsbury took it to extra time couldn't force a winner hence 2nd replay we where 2nd division those halcyon days

What are the venues on crowds in 2005 when we played away from Brunton Park? Morecambe and Workington (non league cup match) is what I remember.

The gates were poor. Don't think there were many at the Redditch game at Workington at all. A league 2 match is a bit different though I suppose.

Profpieman wrote:
Bit crap if either set of fans have booked a weekend. at least they can just jump on the train for an hour instead of losing money

Urban Designer wrote:
I feel Virgin Trains already do enough for us. has annoyed me people tweeting them trying to guilt trip them into putting trains on!

Great news for me being a Carlisle fan that lives in Preston. We also took 6k to Liverpool on a Tuesday night and haven't got many northern away games so should take this opportunity to take a good following. Also I hope virgin put cheap train fares on so that it doesn't add to the cost to much. Last of all well done PNE for offering to help.

I remember the Shrewsbury games in the 4th Round in 1966.

I wasn't living in Carlisle at the time but got to the 0-0 draw at Shrewsbury ( they had to clear the pitch of snow and Twinkletoes got pelted by the home fans ) and the 2nd replay at Preston. They got their equaliser off a free kick that never was right at the end of normal time and we lost in extra time. There was a football special from Carlisle which my mates got down on and they missed the first 20 mins or so because it was late. Going back they obviously held up the footy special but I missed my last connection back and so didn't get home until 6am the next morning. I wouldn't have minded if we'd won.

Looked up the crowds for the Redditch game at Workington ( 912 ) and Barnet at Morecambe ( 1575 )

In 2005 we had 2 matches away from Brunton Park. Redditch at workington (912) and Barnet at Morcambes ground on a Sunday (1575). We were back at Brunton Park on 12 Feb v Gravesend (5,284) so it was just over a calendar month last time.

Hopefully we will be back at Brunton Park for the FA CUP match but York at home on the 23 Jan looks more likely. Hopefully we can get St James Park for the Hartlepool match and Blackburn for the Plymouth match. Blackburn, Preston, Burnley and Newcastle are all drawn away in the FA CUP so plenty of options.

Carlisleprogrammes wrote:
in that case we'll suspend the 4/5 games until its fixed,then pay them midweek when the players are starting to pick up injuries, players can no longer play saturday, tuesday as modern football is way to quick.

If we did play Hartleppol at St James, i hope they still get 1,000 allocated tickets and are made to watch from up in the gods like most away fans!

If the Hartlepool match is at ST. James Park I hope they get as many tickets as they want as it will make for a better atmosphere and be more revenue for us. How many do you think we would take? It wouldn't surprise me if we took 10k. Im sure we've played Hartlepool at ST James Park before in the past?

From what I've heard there isn't a chance of playing at BP in the forseeable future so I can see why they were probably forced to play games elsewhere even at this early stage. Possibly by the Fottball League.

Having said that - F*cking Preston! There be lucky if there's 2000 there!

Hotel booked -heading down from Fife - hope its as good a game as last one I saw at deepdale in 2011 ---apart from poor Rory's broken limb

I would expect that there will be some announcement from the club shortly about playing home matches at other grounds.
I would not be surprised if season ticket holders were offered a refund or a discount on next seasons ticket if they are unable to attend home matches played away from Brunton Park.

If crowds are as low as expected it will cost the club money. Remember season ticket holders have already paid and are much more likely to be the ones to attend.

I genuinely can't believe that there are people complaining about this.... If true, this is a fantastic offer from PKE and I am pleasantly surprised to see them offer it to us. Yes it's going to be less convenient than BP but get a grip... it's not that far to Preston... it's not that much additional effort to get there... There are people who have lost pretty much everything in Carlisle just before Christmas and people are whinging about making a trip to Preston... some perspective is needed by some I think. Postponing multiple games is not an option if we want to challenge for promotion, and if we have a harsh winter we will lose a few more games to the weather... that would lead to a massive pile up of fixtures.

I, for one, am extremely grateful to ANY club that offers us the use of their ground and I will attend no matter where it is, if it is possible for me to get there. This is the time to show what we are made of and that we support the team through thick and thin... well this is the thin bit... we just have to get on with it and make the most of it.

The people who are complaining about how far away it is to Preston are probably the same people who think we have a great rivalry with them due to being so close.

Can't believe I'm agreeing wholeheartedly with Northumbrian for once. These are indeed strange times.

Not sure if I'll get to Preston but as a ST holder I certainly wouldn't be expecting the club to provide travel for me or expect a refund if I can't get down.

If and when we arrange other 'home' games I hope one is at Newcastle. I suspect if we do quite a few of their fans might turn up as a show of solidarity and support.

Northumbrian wrote:
Nail on the head really.

Decent ground, facilities, pitch, transport links, a possibility of rail discount - Deepdale is as good a place as any.
The pain is the game on the 28th December - may have got 8,000 for that, obviously we will lose money. Deepdale isn't an option that day as PNE are home to Hull. Blackburn and Morecambe are away and are theoretically possibilities (as are Blackpool and Wigan but their pitches are awful); Newcastle are away, and Sunderland don't play until the 30th; not sure if playing a North-East team nearer their patch is the right idea though.

At least clubs are willing to help!

I'll re-post what I put on the other thread as it's relevant here...

Spoke to a few folk today, and it seems it could be February before we play at BP.

An estimate of 4/5 Home Games was mentioned as needing moved or postponed.

Obviously PNE have set the ball rolling with the offer for the 19th, as they're away at Leeds on the 20th. Many PNE are boycotting that game due to tickets being roughly £40, so may get a few wander down. They can't help us on the 28th (Hartlepool) or 2nd Jan (Plymouth), as they're at Home themselves.

Rumours that Newcastle and Blackburn have both offered to help. Newcastle are away on the 28th, this would make sense given we're due to play Hartlepool. Blackburn are away on the 2nd Jan, which again would be handy for the Plymouth game. None of this is any way confirmed yet, and is merely suggestive based on hearsay.

The FA Cup game on 9th Jan v Yeovil, I've heard we've approached a possible host, after deciding not to forego Home Advantage. Nothing has been finalised yet though.

Next Home games after are York on 23rd Jan, and Accrington on 6th Feb. I reckon the latter could be used as a target date for a return, with a fallback of Stevenage on 20th Feb. No possible venues have been mooted yet for any potential changes here. Who knows, beat Yeovil and land a plum Home tie and we could concentrate the effort for 4th Round Weekend at the end of Jan?!

If that's the case, move 3 to other venues, rearrange the other 2 for later in the season.

Northumbrian is right, and his post is the best one on this thread, this is a great thing for any club to do, and it seems they were in touch with the club on Sunday to offer this. What Welling have done has been fantastic too, and I understand Oxford are going to do similar. There have been offers as CCU has said from a number of other clubs to help out as well. This shows football at its best, and these are genuine offers of help, not being done with anything in mind other than doing the decent thing.

I can't believe we have people on here who are complaining about it. Over the next few weeks we're going to see warm and kind gestures from clubs the length and breadth of the country, let's not forget that Welling and Preston were among the first. It is a great thing they're doing, and it is something I'd like to think we would attempt to do for any club in similsr circumstances.

Got to have a little bit of sympathy for the Yeovil fans if we end up playing that game in the North East.

It all adds to our mileage for this season. Replay at Yeovil seems nailed on!

1954Blue wrote: Strange times indeed 1954

Morecambe are away on the 28th. Probably be there

Fair play to preston. Actually tempted to do my first home game of the season

What are the quality of the pies like at present

iiiarshaa wrote: It would be nice if some of the top premiership teams gave us some help or even Sky who make a fortune out of football.
Non league Welling donated £500 , in relative terms that would be at least £50,000 to a team like Man U .

Sky could easy put the matches that are played away from Carlisle on live, cost next to nothing for them.

Wazza wrote:
would rather they never. should be a 3pm kick off on the saturday.

TheLazyLewisGuy wrote:
Daft rule should be waived anyway for it, christ - not like the Club is getting any kind of advantage from these floods.

Carlisleprogrammes wrote:
While we may have that many free Tuesdays, other teams may progress in the cup and also have games called off for other reasons. Then it becomes more complicated.

No complaints for me - it's not ideal (albeit actually easier for me to get to) but I'd rather we kept playing games and kept ourselves up in the promotion fight.

1954Blue wrote:
Would also be a great chance for the Skunks to see Gilliead and Gilesphey in action.

CCU wrote:
Something worth considering - for our league fixtures, I'd be surprised if the Football League weren't insisting that they be held at a ground that meets the FL standard requirements - obviously Deepdale, SJP and Ewood Park all meet this.

However, in the FA Cup, there's no required standards. Which opens up far more options to play at (Workington, Barrow, Penrith???). The attendance for the Yeovil game would probably have been about 2-3k anyway, I know Borough Park and Holker Street would both be fine for that capacity, not sure about Penrith.

Dancingbear wrote:
Not a wind up Dancingbear just venting in anger . What annoys me most is the fact i start work at 4am im up and down the motorway every day and as i posted wont get finished till around 1pm making it extremely hard to get to the match but also the fact that the Hartlepool game has a 2pm kick off yet again depending on where they decide to play it possibly wont make that one either as for the Plymouth game i aint got a clue to where my days off fall so maybe i will make it then again it looks like i will miss all 3 games adding to the fact that i cant make tuesday night home games you maybe see why im a little pee'd off.

But yet again its a great gesture from PNE and any other clubs that offer to help the blues out with out doubt

MerseysideBlue wrote:
It's quicker to get to Preston than it is too get to barrow, also who would want to go to barrow ?

Personally think it's a bad idea playing at Preston, would rather have seen the game pp'd. It would be interesting to see whether the club asked the FL about special dispensation given the almost unique circumstances to play a handful of games at grounds which didn't meet FL standards. It's going to hit the club and the fans financially aswell as giving away home advantage. As mentioned, I would definitely look at having the Yeovil cup match as close as possible to Carlisle given the fact smaller grounds are definitely allowed to be used.

I realise everyone has different circumstances and for some a trip to Preston will have minimal impact on their usual matchday routine but for others (including some ST holders) the game at Preston will be impossible for them to attend, off the top of my head I know at least 4 ST holders who work until 2pm on a Saturday with no chance of taking the day off at such short notice.

I suppose this is an instance of our geographical location, being so far from any other league club, being a massive hindrance. As for folk saying what a fantastic gesture it is from PNE, do you not think they'll be doing well out of it financially? They won't be doing it for nowt afterall!

Would imagine it'll just be us paying costs of essential match day staff - Stewards, Catering etc. and any other associated spends.

Actual usage will be 'free'

Least the fodder will be eatable and ready!!!

They'll be taking expenses for putting the game on I'd suggest. They won't be getting anything else. Imagine the national outrage if they did.

The 3 clubs will be working on this, they have a load of stuff to finalise and I'm sure they want to make it a smooth for all fans as they can. It isn't ideal, and I'm sure we'd rather not have to do it, I'm sure Preston, as a club, could find easier more productive ways of spending their time and effort, but they've been gracious enough to offer us their help.

If some people are inconvenienced, or at worst can't attend, well that's unlucky, but there are a great many people in a much worse situation who won't be thinking about football at all. These games have to be played. Who knows we might get some cold weather after Christmas and have to postpone games because of that, we could end up with an impossible fixture backlog if we postpone games we could get played.

I probably won't be able to get to Preston, but I can recognise what a brilliant gesture it is from them, and I can take it in the spirit it is offered and just look forward to the day we get back into our own stadium.

After it was made public that Carlisle charge local clubs £500 for the privilege of a friendly nothing would surprise me when it comes to football clubs and money.

franksidebottom wrote: Not everybody is going to be able to make the games, that is obvious... I know several people who can't generally make mid-week games due to work. They wouldn't be able to make them if they were postponed either. We have to look at the bigger picture though... fixture congestion makes it much more difficult to be successful... injuries have a much bigger impact, and are more likely, there is less time between matches for training and working on specific tactics, and there is more chance of fatigued players. These factors will have more impact than playing at a neutral ground. I appreciate it is difficult if you will now miss the games... but I think it's important to get through the games as planned and show the world that it isn't going to stop us having a good crack at promotion.

I realise the club is in a difficult situation but can't understand that us playing all our games away is going to give us a better chance of promotion.

nobbyblue wrote: It's probably not going to... we are probably less likely to be promoted playing at neutral grounds... but we are even less likely to if we try to cram all the games into midweek slots. If a player is injured for 2 weeks they would miss 4 games instead of 2, if they are going to play twice every week they will be more tired and have less energy during games, the short recovery times are likely to lead to more injuries due to fatigued muscles, the players will have half the time to prepare for each match and get the tactics and set pieces right. Playing 3 or 4 games on a neutral ground... not an away ground... but a neutral ground, which is based quite close to us, must have less impact than that surely?

Fair point Northumbrian - the Bristol Rovers game the other week was a prime example of this. Seven players out, others just coming back form injury and we struggled to make any impact.

seabird wrote:
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for help off that lot. As for the Hartlepool game I would've thought Gateshead was more likely than Newcastle, that's if Gateshead meets FL standards.

Some geordie lads just tweeted CUFC v Hartlepool St.James Park Dec28th, seen nowt from any CUFC fans though

Profpieman wrote:
www.nufc.com/

It's also on that Newcastle fans site...

It doesn't sit right with me this Newcastle thing. it's too convenient for them. Depending on allocations they could end up with more fans in SJP than us!!

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