TOPIC: Deleted tweet from Andy bell

As I said I would HAVE to clear my name if it wasn't me and it can be done if he was hacked.

IF no evidence comes forward, then the club has to sever all ties unfortunately, even if the money from his company is badly needed.

Again, I feel for everyone who try everyday to improve the club, in the offices and the lads on the pitch, they must be sick. As well as all of you who just want to see the club you love simply show some willing.

All the de activating smells of guilt....

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lummy8 wrote:

Sorry about all that carry on lummy it was meant as a joke.

pigeonpete wrote:
He deleted pretty much all of the content from his Facebook profile on Tuesday morning, before all this happened!

melbourneblues wrote:
He's just jealous cos your crack was better than his actually is

MerseysideBlue wrote:
Now why would he do that? Unless somebody hacked his facebook as well as his twitter account.

Just watching Horse Racing and seen the bookies.com advertisements at a few tracks. Some cock up from a businessman this.

Good point, he may well feel the effects of his stupidity through his business activities, it's not like there aren't plenty of other online bookmakers to choose from. Here's hoping anyway!

Richard Archer wrote:
Not quite as bad as that Ratner fella, but getting there.
Long time no see Wazza.

Ratner crossed my mind. Nobody else uses their nickname nigh on here, bet if they did some wouldn't type the views they do on here!

Bruntonpasty wrote:
He doesn't run an online betting firm pal, more a free bets/odds comparison/tipping site - to be fair I expect not many people care/know about this too strongly on the customer front but he may have upset a few in power. Be very unpopular in some places now.

Ahh ok, not a gambling man myself so assummed wrongly he was an online bookie. No worries, ta for the correction.

Did wonder if they were sponsoring the Carlisle Bell like last year.

Without boring you are with more talk of ips and what not, he could get all the data and information he needs to prove innocence in 5 days maximum. He wouldn't need to involve the police and could probably get it in 2/3 days given the nature of the allegations.

Simple case of what device did he use to send the tweet an hour before the "malicious login/tweets" and where was it from. Where did the "hacker" send the tweets from and on what device did they send them from.

Waterworks wrote:
Waterworks.. in relation to the tweets from Andy Bell's Twitter acount, Andy Bell's reaction to the tweets.. and the boards reaction to Andy Bell's reaction to the tweets... your technical expertise is the opposite of boring.

I'm delighted that we have posters who are highly knowledgeable on a wide range of issues. It gives anyone who utterly disgraces the name of the club or tells blatent lies to the fans a lot less room to hide. It is the main reason I volunteered to take over the running of the messageboard although I have no experience in anything like this.. Luckily more experienced and probably much better moderators have taken on this board also.

Thank you for your excellent posts... I'm sure a lot of people reading them appreciate your expert input...

Appreciate that mate, not sure I'm an expert but I do have a good knowledge on the subject due to work.

Just frustrating that it may get swept under the carpet with the excuse of he couldn't get the data to prove it wasn't him.

Meant to add to the above, usually when people get hacked it's because somebody knew the victims password or security question answers. Using actual hacking techniques like brute force, key loggers etc isn't as easy as some people think.

Could the use of a vpn cover this up at all?

Mr Colman has a few tweets also confirming just how easily this could all be sorted out one way or another if Mr Bell chose to. Check the link in the twitter feed on here.

Waterworks wrote:
In a situation like this if the tweets have come from your account then the presumption should be that it was you unless you can prove that it wasn't.

It would depend on the type of vpn used, if it was a free one they are often terrible because they are not spread over a large network and often drop out. If they do drop out it would show something like a connection from an ip in China, a connection from an ip in Carlisle Cumbria, then when the vpn came back on a connection from a new random ip, usually no location is damming but in this case it would be as we would have an ip from which we can see the actual location and type of connection ( Carlisle Cumbria )The free vpns also don't always have great encryption.

The paid vpns are spread over a larger network and often have very secure end to end encryption, they are not always impossible to trace if a person or company has technical tools and knowledge at their disposal but it's certainly difficult and in some cases impossible to pinpoint a definitive location and information.

The good thing about this case is all of the login data is known to AB, so if he doesn't normally use a vpn for Twitter ( which would be strange if he did ) we will have good source data, IE logins from the same ips on multiple occasions even if there is 3/4 of which we can trace the location of, if during the malicious login there was a random ip it would be strong evidence of innocence unless he was wise enough to login with a vpn on only that occasion. If however he used vpns a lot then it gets pretty difficult to prove guilt as there will be many different ips and it wouldn't surprise me if this defence was used, however there are tools to separate real ips from vpn networks and so forth which I'm not going to go into.
I really don't see why he would use a vpn though unless he planned to stage a hacking which would just be weird. The good thing is none of his previous login data can be changed so if we ever see that information it would be clear as day with no vpn useage.

There are other methods used to mask the true origin of a users ip and location but I very much doubt they will be at play here.

What a shower of sh1t this lot really are.

To be 'led' by such a disgusting bunch is an absolute embarrassment, now exposed of a national scale

They have taken us for idiots by blatantly lying about a billionaire
They have disrespected families whose loved ones died simply attending a match
They have called us £unts that don't get behind the team.

No more
Enough is enough

They need to be dislodged or this club deserves what it gets. ie Nothing.

Just want to point out that in February this year I questioned Andy Bell on twitter about a weird tweet (can't remember what it was unfortunately and can't find it now after he's deleted his account) and he replied to me with a picture of Thatcher and he told me to 'vote conversative'.

The argument we were having had absolutely nothing to do with Thatcher/tories, his response was completely random and unexpected. Perhaps he had also been hacked on this occasion?

No, that can't be right, didn't he tweet the other day that these Hillsborough tweets were the first time he's ever been hacked?

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Maybe he didn't realise he was hacked and never seen any of them tweets, then again maybe dogs can talk.

As stated earlier I wouldn't class myself an expert but I'm sure if he gave me access to the data I could almost certainly prove his innocence or guilt and I would be happy to do it free of charge.

All I know is that I watched it unfold on National TV at the time.... and it was truly horrific. The Sun newspaper at the time were truly scathing about the Liverpool fans, which unfortunately the masses chose to believe. As for our Vice President..... Andy Bell.... He claims that his Twitter account was 'hacked'.... not so sure myself..in the big wide world he is a nobody, so who would want to 'hack' his account? From my point of view he has spouted his mouth off after a few drinks....

He has had 2days to sort this out, my word, if i was innocent i would have cleared myself by now..anyone in their right mind would, surely?

perhaps he can't is the only explaination.

thanks lads, for all your tech info....lets see what tomorrow brings ehh...but wont hold me breath with this lot in charge...talk about lunatics running the asylum!!!

cocaineblues wrote:
Nah i would say the Thatcher picture thing was him as i had exactly the same shit from him last year when he turned from the Laffy bid to bet back into bed with jenkins.

Couldnt beat me with wit sarcasm or abuse so he blocked me and reported me to twitter so it looks like i was right about the tw at all along

Richard Archer wrote: He is too f*cking thick to use a vpn in all fairness.

Word is from the awards thing at BP tonite is that Bell has been told to stay away from BP till it all dies down.

Make of that what you will.

the snakes will be hoping it will all blow over in 5-10 days

I honestly don't think they understand the seriousness of it.

Everything else AJ and JN brush under the carpet and hope it goes away but this has made national news it's too serious for that. Proof has to be provided he was hacked otherwise the club has to get him to surrender his vice presidency and sponsorship. Whether we need to pay any money back to him who knows.

It's not surprising though with AJ and JN that this is about money and disregard all morals. It looks like they'd take money from anyone regardless of stature.

Mullen103 wrote:
I wouldnt pay him anything back hes the one who brought the club into disrepute.

I notice jon Colman tweeted this tonight..

www.pitchero.com/clubs/gresfordathletic/...gh-disa-1605663.html

I might change my allegiance and support Gresford Athletic next season instead of us.

The response vote conservative says it all

For me, it's pretty obvious what's happened.

Mr Bell can get stuffed with his six figure sum as far as I'm concerned.

Club response so far has been weak.

RonBacardi wrote: That's the exact statement that we should have made albeit with wording changed to suit the individual concerned.

It baffles me why the club didn't suspend him pending an investigation to clear his name (we all know he did it though). When no evidence is presented they could then remove his position with no criticism.

I don't know why any of us are in the slightest bit surprised by the club's reaction to this.... as a club we have totally lost our morals.

1) We re-employ a striker who repeatedly booted one of our own fans in the head when he was out cold on the ground.
2) The Chairman called his own fans C***s on live radio
3) The club blatantly lie about Laffy and his investment plans to remain in control
4) There is already history of a senior board member lying about his account being "hacked"
5) They lie about a Billionaire looking to buy the club
6) Blue Yonder debacle
7) Club treatment of the fans rep because she dared ask questions
Did I miss any others?

Lies, lies and more lies. This club is an utter disgrace currently. This used to be a decent family club that I was proud to support.

Waterworks wrote:
I used a cheap one for 4 quid a month in Germany like to use bbc I player etc, used to not be able to go on bet365 when I was using it - it's banned in some nations like but not Germany but they must have been able to tell a vpn was being used and have a policy where they block access to the site by anyone using one.

Amazing really what they can tell about you, would have thought this would be a cakewalk like to prove it wasn't him if his claims were genuine.

Northumbrian wrote:
8. Youth coaches departure confidentiality agreements

espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/154...ask-tweet-was-hacked

Happening in the NFL as well.

Lufbrablue wrote:
It'll be touch and go whether Jenkins knows what Twitter is, To him it's probably just another non-problem highlighted by those pesky fans.

There's some interesting stuff on here about how quickly and easily it could be proven that the tweets were sent by somebody else using Bell's profile. So, this all happened on Tuesday didn't it? Well now it's Friday and there's been nothing produced by Bell to prove he was "hacked". The assumption has to be that he wasn't and he wrote those tweets himself.

Now, if that disgusting rubbish is what he believes (and it seems he does since Thatcher is his goddess), then that is fair enough he's entitled to his opinion, even when it has been proven wrong in a court of law. But by using the club's crest there he has dragged Carlisle United into it because of his stupidity.

A further problem though is his cowardice, the fact that he used some very foolish tactics to try to cover himself, when he knew it was definitely him who did it, instead of holding his hands up and saying either "I'm sorry, these are not the views of Carlisle United, but my personal views" or "it was a misguided attempt at a joke".

Either way he should have no involvement with the club ever again, being told to stay away until it calms down is worse than allowing him to do a song and dance routing in the centre circle on Saturday, it's underhand, it's sneaky, it's exactly what we've come to expect from those running the club.

9. Not getting rid of the 2 clowns sooner..saying they were doing a good job.5 year plan of championship was lies.
10. Hiding away from a fans forum and trying to make everything confidential.


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Sadly for Andy Bell, a juror considering whether or not he had been hacked would ask the questions,
Are the tweets out of character? No
Are they in a linguistic style noticeably different from previous tweets? No
Would you reasonably expect Andy Bell given his previous tweeting history to be offering his comment on such an important story in football? Yes

It is fairly obvious why nobody apart from the club gives any credence to the hacking story.

Mullen103 wrote:
Just goes to show how insular the small-time cockwombles running our club are.

Absolutely disgusted with the club's response to this.

Assuming innocence (snotter) .... the IP stuff would be useful if it showed something amiss, but if someone else just used his phone while he went for a dump it won't show anything awry, there's not a lot the digital detectives can do about that. Andy's best bet is to get character witnesses / cctv that say they were with him at the time the tweets were sent and it wasn't him.

Anyways
11. Graham Kavanagh + Dempseys?

orfc wrote:
That must have been uncomfortable, an hour and a half long dump.

Or maybe he was having a shit and playing on his phone at the same time... that story seems more credible...

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markredfox73 wrote:
I'd say it's more like he's shit on the club, on his phone.