What does a train guard / conductor do ?

JuanKerzov wrote: Coast, other than Barra, will have no connect services.
Carlisle/Ncl ones will be re-furbed 158’s.

Fasts will be the new ones slows will be 158.s on Newc - Carl

High Street wrote: I don’t think 158s are allowed round the coast either. The entire country’s diesel fleets are in limbo until Great Western electrification and Glasgow-Edinburgh electrification is complete. A mess created,funded and caused by DafT. Of course it’s easy for them to hide behind those nasty TOCs which aren’t going to complain too much as they’ll be bidding for more franchises soon.

Ah, didnt realize that. Looks like options are pretty limited Maybe they should be looking at some out of the box solution

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote: Coast, other than Barra, will have no connect services.
Carlisle/Ncl ones will be re-furbed 158’s.

Fasts will be the new ones slows will be 158.s on Newc - Carl

Connects will all be ‘fasts’ and all be 158’s.

JuanKerzov wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote: Coast, other than Barra, will have no connect services.
Carlisle/Ncl ones will be re-furbed 158’s.

Fasts will be the new ones slows will be 158.s on Newc - Carl

Connects will all be ‘fasts’ and all be 158’s.

Read their franchise bid all connect services will be provided by the new stock

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote: Coast, other than Barra, will have no connect services.
Carlisle/Ncl ones will be re-furbed 158’s.

Fasts will be the new ones slows will be 158.s on Newc - Carl

Connects will all be ‘fasts’ and all be 158’s.

Read their franchise bid all connect services will be provided by the new stock

Haha, dare say I’ve studied it a bit more than most!
Connects between Carlisle-Ncl-Boro will be 158’s

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

High Street wrote: I don’t think 158s are allowed round the coast either. The entire country’s diesel fleets are in limbo until Great Western electrification and Glasgow-Edinburgh electrification is complete. A mess created,funded and caused by DafT. Of course it’s easy for them to hide behind those nasty TOCs which aren’t going to complain too much as they’ll be bidding for more franchises soon.

Ah, didnt realize that. Looks like options are pretty limited Maybe they should be looking at some out of the box solution

They did.........

High Street wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

High Street wrote: I don’t think 158s are allowed round the coast either. The entire country’s diesel fleets are in limbo until Great Western electrification and Glasgow-Edinburgh electrification is complete. A mess created,funded and caused by DafT. Of course it’s easy for them to hide behind those nasty TOCs which aren’t going to complain too much as they’ll be bidding for more franchises soon.

Ah, didnt realize that. Looks like options are pretty limited Maybe they should be looking at some out of the box solution

They did.........

And should be admitting they all got it wrong and be looking for a solution that works

Where can you see what stock is passed for that line and what isnt. ?

JuanKerzov wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote: Coast, other than Barra, will have no connect services.
Carlisle/Ncl ones will be re-furbed 158’s.

Fasts will be the new ones slows will be 158.s on Newc - Carl

Connects will all be ‘fasts’ and all be 158’s.

Read their franchise bid all connect services will be provided by the new stock

Haha, dare say I’ve studied it a bit more than most!
Connects between Carlisle-Ncl-Boro will be 158’s

"- Over 95% to be operated with new trains "

Says the Northern Website so why would whats essentially the furthest and longest journey on the Connect network be the only one to be done with refurbished 158.s and i can see routes that maybe were getting the new ones now wont be now as they would work better with the refurbished 319.s which have become an option since the franchise award of which they can have as many of as they want with the Dft picking up the bill ie Man airport to both Windermere and even Barrow and its already been announced that's whats going on the airport to Blackpool so i.d say that would account for most of the 5% wouldn't you?

The former MD told the N&S last year they would be re-furbs, the DfT say of Newcastle to Carlisle -
‘...half-hourly service between Newcastle and Carlisle, providing 28 trains per day in each direction – 13 more than now. Some services will be faster than today, at around 80 minutes
a minimum of 10 services each way will operate as “Northern Connect” services, operated by fully refurbished trains...’

I’ll be driving them, they’ll be 158’s.

JuanKerzov wrote: The former MD told the N&S last year they would be re-furbs, the DfT say of Newcastle to Carlisle -
‘...half-hourly service between Newcastle and Carlisle, providing 28 trains per day in each direction – 13 more than now. Some services will be faster than today, at around 80 minutes
a minimum of 10 services each way will operate as “Northern Connect” services, operated by fully refurbished trains...’

I’ll be driving them, they’ll be 158’s.

Well you better get your bosses to change the website and stop lying to their customers then

And interesting that you mention the" former " MD and why he's now the former MD Wouldnt have anything to do with the crap refurbs to those 158.s and the 150.s and the 156.s would it ?

Arriva Trains what a fuc.kin joke they are the words piss up and Brewery don't even come close to these bunch of lying tw ats

Time the Dft brought in fines for lying to customers they're all at it for instance Network Rail trying to justify the money they're wasting at Blackpool North station they say they're lengthening the platforms to take longer trains well that's funny then and all those pictures of near half-mile long trains made up of every last carriage they could find in the 50.s 60.s and 70.s must all have been fakes then.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

High Street wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

High Street wrote: I don’t think 158s are allowed round the coast either. The entire country’s diesel fleets are in limbo until Great Western electrification and Glasgow-Edinburgh electrification is complete. A mess created,funded and caused by DafT. Of course it’s easy for them to hide behind those nasty TOCs which aren’t going to complain too much as they’ll be bidding for more franchises soon.

Ah, didnt realize that. Looks like options are pretty limited Maybe they should be looking at some out of the box solution

They did.........

And should be admitting they all got it wrong and be looking for a solution that works

Where can you see what stock is passed for that line and what isnt. ?

Fairly certain sectional appendices are on line these days?

JuanKerzov wrote: The former MD told the N&S last year they would be re-furbs, the DfT say of Newcastle to Carlisle -
‘...half-hourly service between Newcastle and Carlisle, providing 28 trains per day in each direction – 13 more than now. Some services will be faster than today, at around 80 minutes
a minimum of 10 services each way will operate as “Northern Connect” services, operated by fully refurbished trains...’

I’ll be driving them, they’ll be 158’s.

Which is still pretty shit for 70 miles

Anyone got punctuality figures on arriva northerns failure on the coastal line over the past few months..i am.damn sure it is way under the standards expected to run train line. I can only see things getting worse over the winter months.

Seen in the news and star scotrail are getting more services and carriages on the dumfries line.. that really feels like a kick in the teeth for some.Arriva to me seems to be full of false promises running an upgraded and efficient service. The regulator needs to strip them of it and hand it into government control .



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High Street wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote: The former MD told the N&S last year they would be re-furbs, the DfT say of Newcastle to Carlisle -
‘...half-hourly service between Newcastle and Carlisle, providing 28 trains per day in each direction – 13 more than now. Some services will be faster than today, at around 80 minutes
a minimum of 10 services each way will operate as “Northern Connect” services, operated by fully refurbished trains...’

I’ll be driving them, they’ll be 158’s.

Which is still pretty shit for 70 miles

But it wont be 70 miles the Connects are either starting back as far as Middlesboro or continuing on to other destinations like they used to it could be one of their premier routes but it seems Arriva are determined to turn it into anything but

The Government is directly responsible for this.

CCU wrote: Far far far too many types of stock on our railways these days IMO...

True, you wouldn't design a railway like this. All the efficient airlines like Ryanair, Easyjet and Wizzair operate more or less single types of airliner because it makes training, maintenance etc more straightforward.

With trains it seems refurbishment can keep carriages and locomotives going for 50-60 years so you never get the same benefits that the airlines achieve.

Because it’s a nice announcement when they win a franchise. And each franchise will tender for new trains,and different builders win.

Even the Siemens 380s in Scotland can’t multi up with the new Siemens 385, as they had to turn the coupler upside down to fit under the gangway.

Must be early Christmas shopping..........

Bosses at the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing plant have ‘gone cold’ on the possibility of a pay deal as a one day strike by more than 1,100 craft workers on Tuesday (7 November) is set to go-ahead.

Unite, the country’s largest union which represents maintenance staff and electricians, said that the management had now ‘gone cold’ on talks after a round of ‘positive talks’ – and the union blamed ‘the unseen hand’ of government ministers for the intransigence.

The 24 hour strike is due start at 06.00 on Tuesday over the ‘completely unacceptable’ 1.5 per cent pay offer imposed by Sellafield Ltd – a Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) company – in September, backdated to 1 April.

Unite said that it would be maintaining a skeleton staff during the strike to reassure the people of Cumbria on health and safety issues.

Unite regional officer Graham Williams said: “The Sellafield bosses appear to have adopted a new hardline attitude on the pay talks which we believe is being orchestrated by the unseen hands of government ministers who are pulling the strings behind the scenes.

“We had talks with management on 23 October which were very positive, but a week later the atmosphere had dramatically changed – it was as if the shutters had come down.

“Our members are highly trained and not prepared to accept such a derisory offer as the consumer prices index (CPI) inflation rose to 3.0 per cent in September. Inflation is eroding our members’ take-home pay.

“This has to be seen in the context that the Sellafield workforce has delivered over £230 million of savings in the last two years and is expected to make a further £300 million in savings this year.

“The strike will mean that no on-going maintenance work by our members will take place at Sellafield, but to reassure the Cumbrian public we will be maintaining a skeleton staff on site.

“Tuesday’s strike is a shot across the bows and more strikes are on the cards in the run-up to Christmas, if the management does not engage in constructive talks.”

A spokesman for Sellafield Ltd said: “As always, the safety and security of the Sellafield site, our workforce and the community are our priorities during this industrial action.

“We are working with Cumbria Police and Cumbria County Council’s Highways team to try to minimise disruption.

“However, strikes by their nature are designed to cause disruption and people should expect traffic problems while pickets are in place.

“We have taken all steps available to us to minimise disruption including opening all access gates and advising staff on steps they can take to help.”

The strike follows a ballot of its craft members which saw 90 per cent vote for strikes.

thesilentone wrote: Must be early Christmas shopping..........

Bosses at the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing plant have ‘gone cold’ on the possibility of a pay deal as a one day strike by more than 1,100 craft workers on Tuesday (7 November) is set to go-ahead.

Unite, the country’s largest union which represents maintenance staff and electricians, said that the management had now ‘gone cold’ on talks after a round of ‘positive talks’ – and the union blamed ‘the unseen hand’ of government ministers for the intransigence.

The 24 hour strike is due start at 06.00 on Tuesday over the ‘completely unacceptable’ 1.5 per cent pay offer imposed by Sellafield Ltd – a Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) company – in September, backdated to 1 April.

Unite said that it would be maintaining a skeleton staff during the strike to reassure the people of Cumbria on health and safety issues.

Unite regional officer Graham Williams said: “The Sellafield bosses appear to have adopted a new hardline attitude on the pay talks which we believe is being orchestrated by the unseen hands of government ministers who are pulling the strings behind the scenes.

“We had talks with management on 23 October which were very positive, but a week later the atmosphere had dramatically changed – it was as if the shutters had come down.

“Our members are highly trained and not prepared to accept such a derisory offer as the consumer prices index (CPI) inflation rose to 3.0 per cent in September. Inflation is eroding our members’ take-home pay.

“This has to be seen in the context that the Sellafield workforce has delivered over £230 million of savings in the last two years and is expected to make a further £300 million in savings this year.

“The strike will mean that no on-going maintenance work by our members will take place at Sellafield, but to reassure the Cumbrian public we will be maintaining a skeleton staff on site.

“Tuesday’s strike is a shot across the bows and more strikes are on the cards in the run-up to Christmas, if the management does not engage in constructive talks.”

A spokesman for Sellafield Ltd said: “As always, the safety and security of the Sellafield site, our workforce and the community are our priorities during this industrial action.

“We are working with Cumbria Police and Cumbria County Council’s Highways team to try to minimise disruption.

“However, strikes by their nature are designed to cause disruption and people should expect traffic problems while pickets are in place.

“We have taken all steps available to us to minimise disruption including opening all access gates and advising staff on steps they can take to help.”

The strike follows a ballot of its craft members which saw 90 per cent vote for strikes.

You really are a [censored] cock. Theres not one of us want to go on strike.

So don't go on strike then !!

Soon you will be complaining about ' Foreign Workers ' on zero hours contracts taking your jobs.

Since when did anyone in a Rail Union give a shxte about anyone but themselves ?

It starts at the top and works down.

Closed shop Champagne Socialists !!

Sellafield is already screwing it up for local Companies who cannot compete with the high pay levels, and they are striking for more.

Pure Greed !!

thesilentone wrote: Since when did anyone in a Rail Union give a shxte about anyone but themselves ?

It starts at the top and works down.

Closed shop Champagne Socialists !!

Sellafield is already screwing it up for local Companies who cannot compete with the high pay levels, and they are striking for

Pure Greed !!

Are you a dog botherer?
The structure of a Union is such that ‘it’ starts at the bottom and works up.

Oh, ay....


A RAIL union has a £20million investment pot despite its boss wanting to overthrow capitalism.

The RMT has invested millions in top firms while its president Sean Hoyle strives for a socialist Britain.

Published accounts show the militant union’s portfolio includes money poured into banks, an energy firm and a tobacco ­company.

Hoyle declared last year his union’s “rule number one” was “to strive to replace the capitalist system with a socialist order”.

He added: “If you spit on your own, they just wipe it away. But if we all spit together we can drown the [censored].”

RMT Investments include £500,000 in British American Tobacco, nearly £1million in Shell and £234,000 in Centrica, parent company of British Gas.

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All we get from Unions is bulsxit, lies and greed....

That spitting quote is a quite (in)famous one from Bob Crow. Who has been dead several years.

I'll give you a source, do you think there is likely to be any resignations ?

carolineleneghan.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/3/

thesilentone wrote: I'll give you a source, do you think there is likely to be any resignations ?

carolineleneghan.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/3/

International [censored] Womens Day my Arse

Lets have a get the bitches back behind the [censored] Kitchen Sink Day i say.

Strike off-28pc pay rise

Amazing

Ok-ASLEF off

Come on you miserable sods out there! Surely we want everybody to be paid fairly from the bin man, to the nurse, to the solicitor to the banker to the boss?
5% a year over 5 years feels to me like the kind of deal that people should fairly be offered whatever their role in life.
I don't get that and I'd love to! Infact I had a pay cut last year as I'm self employed but I'm happy that people are being paid fairly. I wish the average worker in this country could be paid fairly with good pay rises.
The guy who runs Southern Rail earns 2.16 million. His pay went up from 1.96 million a year so I think that's a £200,000 a year pay rise. So, that's around 10% a year or 50% over 5 years or there or thereabouts. Personally, I think it's obscene but if he's doing a good job then you could argue he deserves it. Surely Southern Rail is a roaring success then? Form the Indy - "The network he operates has the worst punctuality record of any franchise in the country, with almost one in five trains late. The Southern rail owner runs the five worst performing lines in the country, including the nation's least punctual train line, the premium-priced "Gatwick Express".
The company makes £100 million pounds a year profit. 100 million pounds profit! If they can afford to pay the boss over 2 million surely they can afford to pay the guards an extra 5% a year? If the boss gets 10% and £200,000 extra can't the workers get 5%? Surely that's just fair?

newcarlislefan wrote: Come on you miserable sods out there! Surely we want everybody to be paid fairly from the bin man, to the nurse, to the solicitor to the banker to the boss?
5% a year over 5 years feels to me like the kind of deal that people should fairly be offered whatever their role in life.
I don't get that and I'd love to! Infact I had a pay cut last year as I'm self employed but I'm happy that people are being paid fairly. I wish the average worker in this country could be paid fairly with good pay rises.
The guy who runs Southern Rail earns 2.16 million. His pay went up from 1.96 million a year so I think that's a £200,000 a year pay rise. So, that's around 10% a year or 50% over 5 years or there or thereabouts. Personally, I think it's obscene but if he's doing a good job then you could argue he deserves it. Surely Southern Rail is a roaring success then? Form the Indy - "The network he operates has the worst punctuality record of any franchise in the country, with almost one in five trains late. The Southern rail owner runs the five worst performing lines in the country, including the nation's least punctual train line, the premium-priced "Gatwick Express".
The company makes £100 million pounds a year profit. 100 million pounds profit! If they can afford to pay the boss over 2 million surely they can afford to pay the guards an extra 5% a year? If the boss gets 10% and £200,000 extra can't the workers get 5%? Surely that's just fair?

I think the guards would accept less than ASLEF have been bought out for if they guarantee to put a conductor on the trains.

I was in the central line tube last week-absolute crowding like you wouldn’t believe.Yet no conductor on what I saw as a very dangerous scrum to get on and off.

Couldn’t see in the melee-the fact is tube train drivers have good cameras and can talk to their passengers-no conductor other than the odd guy checking tickets.

The RMT have a history of striking-though a pity Bob Crow wasn’t around to sort this out.I rather liked him despite his left wing politics-though he was anti EU.

Crippling strikes on one of Britain’s busiest railway lines may finally be at an end after train drivers accepted a £14,000 pay rise.

Members of Aslef voted four to one in favour of a deal to end industrial action on Southern Rail, which has been hit by disruption for 18 months in a row over pay, working conditions and the introduction of driver-only operated trains.

Rail executives insisted that the move left the other main rail union — the RMT — “completely isolated” as it continues its dispute over driver-only control of carriage doors.

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So, DB, CCU, Loser et al.............where's all the brotherly love now comrades ?

told you they were just a bunch of fat, greedy, bully boys...............How many times have you used the words " The strike is not about money " oh yea...

Yep ASLEF have sold out the RMT for a bit of extra cash.

The company makes £100 million pounds a year profit. 100 million pounds profit! It's not exactly struggling.
The chief executive gets a yearly pay rise of 10%. He will make £200,000 extra this year and will somehow have to make do with 2.16 million pounds this year.
I would say a 10% pay rise is a generous one in one year, or 50% across 5 years. The guards get 28% over 5 years.
The guards will now get a yearly pay rise half of what the chief executive has received. Their pay rise equates to 5% a year. This is half the pay rise the chief exec gets.
Wouldn't it be even fairer to all employees to get the same rise whether at the top or the bottom?

newcarlislefan wrote: The company makes £100 million pounds a year profit. 100 million pounds profit! It's not exactly struggling.
The chief executive gets a yearly pay rise of 10%. He will make £200,000 extra this year and will somehow have to make do with 2.16 million pounds this year.
I would say a 10% pay rise is a generous one in one year, or 50% across 5 years. The guards get 28% over 5 years.
The guards will now get a yearly pay rise half of what the chief executive has received. Their pay rise equates to 5% a year. This is half the pay rise the chief exec gets.
Wouldn't it be even fairer to all employees to get the same rise whether at the top or the bottom?

The guards havent got anything its the drivers whove got 28% over 5 years.

Sorry, yes drivers!

ASLEF are mere novices, compared to their Grandparents:

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1977: Firefighters strike over pay claim
Firefighters are claiming widespread support for their first national strike, over a 30% pay demand.
The 30,000-strong Fire Brigades Union claims 97.5% of its members have heeded the strike call and are no longer manning the pumps.

Talks have been continuing between union leaders and employers but there is little prospect of an early resolution with the Government insisting there is no breach of its 10% public sector pay ceiling.

Troops have been brought in to provide emergency cover - but there is concern among soldiers about their lack of training and modern firefighting equipment.

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So ASLEF have burst the Dam, que the rest calling for strike action and a gazzillion £££'s pay rise. Poor old Jezza's knackerd now. I'd love to be fly on the wall at TUC HQ, it will be pure poetry in motion......it'll take more than a roll of Soft Pinkey to stop the Klondyke...

Get the 45gal drums out !!

Fair play, you have to agree the Team of Bouncers for ASLEF are a damn site better looking than the Bruisers in the RMT team...


www.facebook.com/finn.brennan?ref=br_rs

I see the Republican IRA sympathiser is on the case already:

www.facebook.com/steve.hedley.7


"So the disgraceful ASLEF leadership finally bribe and cajole members to accept Driver Only Operation on Southern.A £14,000 bribe has been accepted to abandon safety and accessibility.Aslef leaders are a disgrace to the trade union movement and traitors to the whole working class # Judases.
The RMT fight continues with more action today and tomorrow and until all our demands are met.Safety and accessibility are non negotiable and do not have a price ."

....says the man who allegedly battered his Mrs........