What does a train guard / conductor do ?

How can they afford to go on strike so often ?

Yaaaaaaaaaaaawn. So very boring now, do you have anything about Carlisle United to talk about?

Do you not have any sympathy for Carlisle United supporters who travel more than most others, subsidising the bruisers ?

Be better off financially if the RMT just paid the drivers wages for a month while they went on all out strike and brought Southern to its knees and put it out of its misery once and for all.

Theyve clearly demonstrated they arent capable of running a service so should have it taken off them.

At least it might put an end to Silentones bloody wingeing

Rail union chiefs get a £6k bonus... to make sure they get to work! RMT gives secret travel perks to fat cats including a car and a train season ticket
Union barons give themselves a secret £6,000 bonus to get to work by car
Bonuses of the RMT union were left blank in the organisation's annual accounts
The head of rail union Aslef was photographed being driven to work amid strikes
Union chiefs get an extra £3,000 so they can escape the delays and travel by their staff car

MerseysideBlue wrote:

thesilentone wrote: Because these muppets are at it again, looking for a few more holidays....................

The RMT union has announced another 24-hour strike on Southern rail for Tuesday 4 April, in a row over the role of conductors.

RMT union post strike dates for night tube drivers

Are there any reasonable human beings left that support these bruisers ?

If you can afford to strike as often as these idiots, you get paid far to much, no wonder our tickets are so expensive.

You know they don't get paid when they're on strike? Hardly a holiday you clown.

The militant union behind the strikes that have crippled Southern Rail is using its £46 million war-chest to pay conductors £300 a week to stay off work, it has emerged.

Now this will be a laugh, every bruiser in the UK will be here, hopefully many planned to travel by train.......

"RMT announces strike action on day of Grand National"

They will put a bus service on no doubt but us northerners didnt go in a hissy fit about a strike last week. we just got on with it..


You still didnt answer my question...who is gonna get the person in a wheelchair on the train with a 2 ft drop......

markredfox73 wrote: They will put a bus service on no doubt but us northerners didnt go in a hissy fit about a strike last week. we just got on with it..


You still didnt answer my question...who is gonna get the person in a wheelchair on the train with a 2 ft drop......

He rarely does answer questions. I'm more bothered that my trip to London is in tatters due to engineering works. Don't particularly fancy a bus from Penrith to Preston then another bus from Preston to Crewe to finally get on a train.

Still waiting an answer to my question....or is this a 5-10 day syndrome setting in??

Strike number 3 today for Northern ...Arriva.. So the suits havent listened yet

Perfect example for a guard on board was on tuesday following this fire at maryport. The trains were all held up for hours which many people were reliant on the guard being able to assist them with further details following delays. Some travellers in a panic to get to destinations down south, but i heard many saying "thank goodness there is a guard on board to help us" Didnt get it why the company wanted to get rid of them.
The guard on the train was excellent in the situation the other day reassuring everyone and being informative to all.

KEEP THE GUARDS ..SAFETY 1ST OVER PROFITS TO GO TO GERMANY!

Ive now turned into a skeleton awaiting silentstone replying to my previous question...

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CCU wrote: And to think they want rid of Guards...

Sexual offences on trains and tubes double in five years
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40656633

The tory position is probably well if they didnt wear such short skirts it wouldnt happen.

A union bouncer has hit out at train operator Northern Rail as staff prepare to walk out this weekend.

Passengers travelling on Northern's services, which run through much of Cumbria, are expected to face disruption as a row over the toilet roll and staff comfort breaks on trains continues.

A limited service will be running between 7am and 7pm on all Northern services on Friday and Monday.

Replacement buses will be running in both directions between Carlisle and Whitehaven, Carlisle and Appleby, while a revised timetable will be operating for trains between Carlisle and Newcastle and on the Cumbrian Coast Line between Workington and Barrow.

Passengers are being advised to check for changes to timetables before making their journeys, and to bring there own toiletries.

Northern says it is currently embarking on a programme to modernise its network by 2020. The operator is planning to introduce 286 new carriages, 243 upgraded trains and to provide 2,000 extra services each week.

Shazan Meith, Northern's regional dictator, maybe said: It is disappointing that RiM T has timed these two days of strike action to coincide with people returning to school, college and work after the summer holidays.

The action aims to cause disruption to people’s lives, businesses and the economy, as well as risking some embarrassing accidents.

During recent talks we underlined that we are prepared to guarantee some soft pinky and a copy of the Communist Today magazine for all our conductors for the next eight years. Our offers to discuss every detail on the future responsibilities and training for on-board colleagues have been rejected by RiM T.

We urge them to get back round the table with us quickly and talk seriously about our modernisation, not take unnecessary strike action, and stay out the bogs.

But Craigy Jonstone, regional bouncer for the RiM T in Cumbria, also maybe said: It's time that Shaz told the truth about Northern Rail's plans for train services in future.

They've told us on many services there will be no pink toilet paper on board at all - and only the driver will be able to take a nap.

On services where there is soft pink absorbent delight, we will not be able to spend more than 30 mins in the loo, and definitely no reading material or magazines, what do they think we do in there ??."

Craigy also maybe said that the current role of bouncers includes making sure that staff frustration did not spill over to more than 30 visits per day, including areas such as signalling the all clear

At a time when there is an increase in antisocial behaviour we believe it is nothing short of negligent to de-visit comfort breaks on trains.

We're happy to talk about almost anything at any time, give or take a few details. However our line in the sand is not about the pink absorbent delight, but about recreational reading and we think that should be their line in the sand as well.

This isn't about modernisation and new trains - Cumbria won't be getting new trains, just refurbished ones - but it's about comfort and absorbency and being able to do what we want in the privacy of the train loo, its all just a sticky subject" Allegedly.........


www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/Rail-passenge...a11c-56b014b47405-ds

Excellent news and good on them. The idea that people should travel on trains with no guard is utterly backwards. Would the driver be expected to perform first aid if someone suffers a cardiac arrest between Millom and Bootle or do they just have to hope that another passenger is a qualified first aider?

The shirking of responsibility for people's safety from the government and big business is astonishing.

This is Getting a bit like Groundhog Day.

ParcelPete wrote: This is Getting a bit like Groundhog Day.

Yep i agree they need to get a bit more imaginative now

In my opinion they missed a trick a few months back when the new card readers and mobile ticket machines were brought in they should of waited 3 days and then invented a reason to refuse to use them causing a massive drop in revenue. But they could and should be getting more support from aslef than they are doing all it would take is two pickets at every depot and if the drivers refused to cross the lines there would be nothing Northern could do and all there plans would be out the window for the day

loser wrote: Excellent news and good on them. The idea that people should travel on trains with no guard is utterly backwards. Would the driver be expected to perform first aid if someone suffers a cardiac arrest between Millom and Bootle or do they just have to hope that another passenger is a qualified first aider?

The shirking of responsibility for people's safety from the government and big business is astonishing.

Exactly. I drove to Cornwall last week and the main news story on 5 live that day was about the daft idea of having female only carriages. I think the vast majority of people who phoned in said the trains should be staffed properly with guards not segregating people.

If it was left to the RMT there would still be a man with a red flag walking in front of every train. He would however have to have a lookout man to tell him the train was coming and they would need to be clad head to toe in orange gear and be wearing a safety helmet.
The unions have managed to kill off most industry in this country and now the RMT & ASLEF are trying to do the same with the railways.
The disputes have sod all to do with safety and if a labour government had been elected then you would have heard not a word out of them about DOO.
Trains already run under that system perfectly safely and have done fro several years.

Surely these posts would be better suited to a poll then whoever wins it is right?

Arragorn wrote: If it was left to the RMT there would still be a man with a red flag walking in front of every train. He would however have to have a lookout man to tell him the train was coming and they would need to be clad head to toe in orange gear and be wearing a safety helmet.
The unions have managed to kill off most industry in this country and now the RMT & ASLEF are trying to do the same with the railways.
The disputes have sod all to do with safety and if a labour government had been elected then you would have heard not a word out of them about DOO.
Trains already run under that system perfectly safely and have done fro several years.

The unions have? Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans ive heard it all now.

CCU wrote: It's only took thesilentone two weeks to hear the news despite me giving him advance warning.

I'll add this to the other thread...

It would be really appreciated by all if you did not abuse your position as moderator by hijacking and moving posts to where it suits your agenda.

I realise it is rather embarrassing for those employed in the rail industry to be associated with the Militant Bully Boys, however a new thread for every time they strike (or call strike action) should be started to demonstrate the futility and stupidity of them.

Let the board get clogged up with RMT strike calls, it beats waiting for a train that ain't coming !!!

Well it might do on certain boards but it could be argued that a Carlisle United messageboard isnt one of them.

thesilentone wrote:

CCU wrote: It's only took thesilentone two weeks to hear the news despite me giving him advance warning.

I'll add this to the other thread...

It would be really appreciated by all if you did not abuse your position as moderator by hijacking and moving posts to where it suits your agenda.

I realise it is rather embarrassing for those employed in the rail industry to be associated with the Militant Bully Boys, however a new thread for every time they strike (or call strike action) should be started to demonstrate the futility and stupidity of them.

Let the board get clogged up with RMT strike calls, it beats waiting for a train that ain't coming !!!

"it would really be appreciated by all".
you don't speak for everyone you muppet.

The same sh*te gets trotted out by you on each thread so makes sense to just have it all on one thread.

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F*cking obsessed weirdo. Did a Union rep bot your wife?

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Rail workers could be striking because they have had their pay cut in half and you would still berate them Silentone, we all know that you do not like them, could you not leave it at that?

munchymagic wrote: Rail workers could have had their pay cut in half

Maybe they should, everyone knows they're all stupidly overpaid. Use the savings to hire the extra staff/guards they keep bleating on about.







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Well the strikes are really pissing folk off round here now... as in the last month or 2 the daily services on the coastal line have been a shambolic mess with trains constantly cancelled. Theyre a [censored] disgrace....sort the [censored] trains out to cater for folk...last night was yet another shan.

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markredfox73 wrote: Well the strikes are really pissing folk off round here now... as in the last month or 2 the daily services on the coastal line have been a shambolic mess with trains constantly cancelled. Theyre a [censored] disgrace....sort the [censored] trains out to cater for folk...last night was yet another shan.

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Nothing at all to do with the strikes Mark [ well other than on the actual strike days anyway ] more to do with Northern and the DfT going for a 60 year old solution just because it was a few thousand quid cheaper than going for a proper half modern one.

But even then there's an option sitting there right now if someone [ maybe say the 4 or 5 MP.s that the line travels thru ] banged their fists on the table in that DRS have 2 newer and much more reliable rakes [ that have just come off hire to Anglia class 68 hauled mk 3 stock ] available to them so why not just accept that the 37.s and the DVT.s and the carriages that come with them are life expired and get the Dft and Northern to make a contribution to the extra cost [ given how little work Anglia gave them to do surely the cost cant be that prohibitive ] of providing those rakes for the service instead.

No my rant was the point of a piss poor service actually getting worse by the day. ... the strikes are getting nowhere now it seems either and many are just getting fobbed off round my way at the inconvienience and crap service. Ive heard they arent even going to take guards off the coastal line.....so why strike??


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markredfox73 wrote: No my rant was the point of a piss poor service actually getting worse by the day. ... the strikes are getting nowhere now it seems either and many are just getting fobbed off round my way at the inconvienience and crap service. Ive heard they arent even going to take guards off the coastal line.....so why strike??


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Solidarity brother MRF

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

markredfox73 wrote: Well the strikes are really pissing folk off round here now... as in the last month or 2 the daily services on the coastal line have been a shambolic mess with trains constantly cancelled. Theyre a [censored] disgrace....sort the [censored] trains out to cater for folk...last night was yet another shan.

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Nothing at all to do with the strikes Mark [ well other than on the actual strike days anyway ] more to do with Northern and the DfT going for a 60 year old solution just because it was a few thousand quid cheaper than going for a proper half modern one.

But even then there's an option sitting there right now if someone [ maybe say the 4 or 5 MP.s that the line travels thru ] banged their fists on the table in that DRS have 2 newer and much more reliable rakes [ that have just come off hire to Anglia class 68 hauled mk 3 stock ] available to them so why not just accept that the 37.s and the DVT.s and the carriages that come with them are life expired and get the Dft and Northern to make a contribution to the extra cost [ given how little work Anglia gave them to do surely the cost cant be that prohibitive ] of providing those rakes for the service instead.

The use of 37’s was nothing to do with Northern. It was sponsored by DafT as they needed the units to go south to work the TPE services (covered by Northern) as the TPE 170s went to Chiltern,in another fine ‘Department of Transport do not interfere with rolling stock on franchises’ intervention on franchises’ rolling stock by the Department of Transport. The 68s in Anglia were paid for by Anglias insurance, due to various tractor v train incidents on level crossings putting units out of service. The 68’s cant push the DBSOs on the Cumbrian Coast.

markredfox73 wrote: No my rant was the point of a piss poor service actually getting worse by the day. ... the strikes are getting nowhere now it seems either and many are just getting fobbed off round my way at the inconvienience and crap service. Ive heard they arent even going to take guards off the coastal line.....so why strike??


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So its not the strikes that's pissing people off its the deteriorating service and on that i agree with you 100%

Its a total disgrace that DRS have those newer much more reliable rakes sat at Kingmoor doing nothing but won't use them just because the DfT and Northern wont pay the extra few grand up to what they want to use them instead of the totally life expired 37.s and the prehistoric rolling stock that comes with them.

And you're right they won't be taking guards off the coast line they cant because it has request stops but if Arriva had their way they'd take the trains off the line full stop maybe then the locals would get behind the staff and force your MP.s to take some action. Maybe DRS would be interested in running it for them completely but to do so they'd have to come up with a way better solution than the 37.s

DRS don’t have any Mk3’s and even if they did,they’re not allowed round the Cumbrian Coast.

Fresh rail strikes by the shirkers at five rail companies have been announced by the Rail, Maritime and Transport (RMT) union.
Members at Southern, South Western Railway and Greater Anglia are to stage 48-hour wankathon on 8 November in a row over ‘ that bloody pink bog-roll, wiv ad inuf”.
Merseyrail and Arriva Rail North (Northern) are to walkout on the same day, but for other reasons, a representative said “ the coming ridge of high pressure and clear sunny days has nowt t do wid it “.
Greater Anglia said it was disappointed the high pressure was not to reach their region, however they would find another excuse and wanted to resolve issues with RMT.
The union is in dispute with the rail companies over pink fluffy delight which the RMT claim would be non-negotiable.
Rail companies say a bouncer would no longer be needed, as there was only room in the train toilet for one person at a time, but deny jobs would be lost.
The RMT says it has made "every single effort" to reduce the wear on the door locks, accusing the train operators of "suspending" normal industrial relations.
The union has been in dispute with Southern for over 18 months, involving more than 300 days of strike action.
A Union shirker said “ I left a perfectly good readable Hustler in the toilet of the 11.30am Virgin service to Sodom, and on its return it had gone, I mean come on, how much are we expected to take it “
It has spread to Merseyrail, Arriva Rail North and Greater Anglia, which have also been hit by wankouts.
But this is the first time South Western Railway, which only recently took over the franchise from South West Trains, will be targeted for a holiday.
It has been accused by the union of refusing to give a "cast iron guarantee" that a second, bouncer member of staff, who is a mate of the shop-steward will be retained on trains.

High Street wrote: DRS don’t have any Mk3’s and even if they did,they’re not allowed round the Cumbrian Coast.

So what are the rakes just returned from Anglia made up of then? they were certainly a lot newer than the ones currently used with the 37.s when i used them in the summer

Done a bit of digging and seems your right they were mk2.s down in Norwich one of the rakes were DRS ones but the other one was an Anglia owned rake of a subcategory that's a bit newer [ mk f or something i think ] and certainly in a better condition than the DRS rake and that must have been that one that i travelled on.

So assuming it isn't the carriages that are causing the reliability problems why couldn't they use 68.s with the MK 2 rakes then like they were down at Norwich?

Unfamiliar drivers. DRS drivers will change fuses etc,the Northern drivers will just drive them (and don’t like them,so fail them at any opportunity)

High Street wrote: Unfamiliar drivers. DRS drivers will change fuses etc,the Northern drivers will just drive them (and don’t like them,so fail them at any opportunity)

I understood they are DRS crew with a Northern conductor is that not correct ?

If you look on the wiki page for MK2 carriages there is a picture of a type f [ actually taken at Carlisle in 2004 ] and i think you.ll agree that looks a lot more like a MK3 than the earlier versions of the MK2 and is i guess what i traveled on from Norwich to Lowestoft

Northern driver and guard. Northern drivers also don’t sign 68s.

High Street wrote: Northern driver and guard. Northern drivers also don’t sign 68s.

"DRS, despite having its own Driver and Guard on the train, a Northern Rail conductor is also on hand to sell tickets from the National Rail linked sales machines. Initial results from the service appear to have been promising, with a mixed combination of enthusiasts, Sellafield staff and other rail passengers for the area all taking advantage of the train."

Thats from Rail Magazine is that not correct then ?

It was correct when it first started,yes, as none of the Northern drivers had driven a Loco hauled train for years and training would have taken too long to get the service off the ground. DRS only take them on and off Kingmoor now.

Slight change of emphasis from me.

I'm amazed that the rail unions campaign for the renationalisation of the railways.

My dad worked for some 40 years as a train driver under the nationalised British Rail. In his day the working conditions were terrible.
Someone could turn up at the door at 5am and instruct him to report for work at 6.30am. His summer holiday could be allocated at any time between the start of May and the end of September, with the result that some years he didn't get to go with the rest of the family on summer holiday. Train drivers were excluded from the BR pension scheme for many years, it was reserved for managers and clerical staff. Drivers were exposed to asbestos. Pay was relatively low....certainly my dad wasn't paying higher rate tax as train drivers are now.

And of course had the railways been nationalised over the last ten years the drivers and other railway workers would have been subject to the public workers' pay freeze or below inflation wage increases.

High Street wrote: It was correct when it first started,yes, as none of the Northern drivers had driven a Loco hauled train for years and training would have taken too long to get the service off the ground. DRS only take them on and off Kingmoor now.

So what do you think is the answer in the immediate and medium term then ? When Connect comes in i reckon best they can hope for is a mixture of 150.s 156.s and 158.s

I don’t think 158s are allowed round the coast either. The entire country’s diesel fleets are in limbo until Great Western electrification and Glasgow-Edinburgh electrification is complete. A mess created,funded and caused by DafT. Of course it’s easy for them to hide behind those nasty TOCs which aren’t going to complain too much as they’ll be bidding for more franchises soon.

Coast, other than Barra, will have no connect services.
Carlisle/Ncl ones will be re-furbed 158’s.